List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[PremiershipNo4]

Ffs, how many more games do you want him to be gifted before you get he is no good? .. he has had 6 years. Only 1 of those years has he kicked more goals that he has actually played games. He cant play deep forward because he can’t take a contested mark to save himself.

In my opinion Jamieson showed more than Williams this year.

 

[Into The Black]

Phil is persona non grata at the Eagles, Bond is involved with the club.

Not sure about Bond. After the Zorko/Petty incident Bond commented that Pettys mother had a terminal illness, like he had inside information. Turns out it was full of **** . Someone else, maybe DS recently called Bond out, I'm thinking he is right.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

For work, we had Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

48

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

come and talk to us all - guest/motivational speaker.

Was interesting, as he talked all about the age and perception of the Geelong team and media sentiment around 'too old to win the premiership' which crept into their board. Pressure and conversation from some of the board was around we need to rebuild, Chris and his team were no we don't. So he presented back to them that no team or very rarely has a team bottomed out and gone to the draft to build success again - was a bit hazy here as I'm sure he meant fully relied on the draft to rebuild and challenge again.

Hawthorn - drafted Mitchell, Buddy, Roughy, Hodge, Lewis that built the core and then traded in Gunston, Gibson, Lake, Hale to complete the side. Tigers drafted most of theirs but added Prestia, Lynch.

He twisted 'too old/too slow' to 'most experienced' and showed a graph of where all the clubs sat and their experience level, which clearly showed they were the most. They also spoke about rather than whipping the older players over preseason, what's the point Isaac Smith

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Isaac Smith

Age

36

Ht

188cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.4

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.4

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.3

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.5

3star

CL

1.3

4star

D

19.2

5star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

7.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.6

3star

is already an elite runner he's not going to get any better - they wanted to ensure he maintained that rather than over train him to get a 1% increase. So experienced players, built their own training programs with staff to ensure they could maintain optimal performance. Younger players had individual programs, but that was more about driving improvement.

It was interesting that they believe they can maintain success ongoing, without having to rebuild.

When he showed graphs of average age for 2022 we were one of the highest, got me thinking back to the arguments that followed on here about getting rid of older players vs the keeping experience on field and with training standards. Do we need to rebuild vs replenish the list.

I know our list is different to theirs etc etc, but if we draft well over the course of the next few seasons and then recruit some of the missing pieces there is no reason we can't get back up the ladder in a few seasons.

 

[Flarn Rarn]

Not sure about Bond. After the Zorko/Petty incident Bond commented that Pettys mother had a terminal illness, like he had inside information. Turns out it was full of **** . Someone else, maybe DS recently called Bond out, I'm thinking he is right.

Could also be someone feeding bullshit to see where a leak is coming from. Or also, sometimes people just get bad info. Or he could be full of shit. Definitely one of those three things though.

 

[twce13]

guy at work told me today people in carlton are tripping on acid.

 

[amazingjoshy]

For work, we had Chris Scott come and talk to us all - guest/motivational speaker.

Was interesting, as he talked all about the age and perception of the Geelong team and media sentiment around 'too old to win the premiership' which crept into their board. Pressure and conversation from some of the board was around we need to rebuild, Chris and his team were no we don't. So he presented back to them that no team or very rarely has a team bottomed out and gone to the draft to build success again - was a bit hazy here as I'm sure he meant fully relied on the draft to rebuild and challenge again.

Hawthorn - drafted Mitchell, Buddy, Roughy, Hodge, Lewis that built the core and then traded in Gunston, Gibson, Lake, Hale to complete the side. Tigers drafted most of theirs but added Prestia, Lynch.

He twisted 'too old/too slow' to 'most experienced' and showed a graph of where all the clubs sat and their experience level, which clearly showed they were the most. They also spoke about rather than whipping the older players over preseason, what's the point Isaac Smith is already an elite runner he's not going to get any better - they wanted to ensure he maintained that rather than over train him to get a 1% increase. So experienced players, built their own training programs with staff to ensure they could maintain optimal performance. Younger players had individual programs, but that was more about driving improvement.

It was interesting that they believe they can maintain success ongoing, without having to rebuild.

When he showed graphs of average age for 2022 we were one of the highest, got me thinking back to the arguments that followed on here about getting rid of older players vs the keeping experience on field and with training standards. Do we need to rebuild vs replenish the list.

I know our list is different to theirs etc etc, but if we draft well over the course of the next few seasons and then recruit some of the missing pieces there is no reason we can't get back up the ladder in a few seasons.

Massively dislike the guy but couldn't agree more with his opinion here and the way he coached this year was a master-class.

And as always, other teams will begin to copy the premiers. Be interesting to see in the next year or two whether less teams go the "full rebuild" model

 

[pantskyle]

Just trust what I say guys.

 

[sey666]

Not sure about Bond. After the Zorko/Petty incident Bond commented that Pettys mother had a terminal illness, like he had inside information. Turns out it was full of **** . Someone else, maybe DS recently called Bond out, I'm thinking he is right.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

All I know is that the club is aware of this and changes are being made. Stay tuned!

 

[Dark Sharks]

I call Bond out on providing exactly ZERO information that is interesting or useful on here, unless he's confirming a C grade players contract status or something unimportant.

I never suggested he doesn't work with/for the club. If anything this probably confirms he does work with them?

What I think is silly is people tagging him in stuff or asking questions you know he has absolutely no intention of answering with anything other than a vague one liner (see my list of examples a couple pages back). You'd get more information by messaging Nesbitt or Kate directly on FB.

 

[bh90210fan]

Rumour on the Suns board we might be interested in trading up to their pick 5 for our 8 and a future 2nd. Would guarantee us one of Ginbey or Clark.

 

[boondy]

He's a midfielder in the Winder mould. Better agility, less size, similar talent level.

If Winder could get elite fitness at least to Langdon application would be great .

 

[pantskyle]

Rumour on the Suns board we might be interested in trading up to their pick 5 for our 8 and a future 2nd. Would guarantee us one of Ginbey or Clark.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest as GC is circling Ginbey but I doubt they are settled on him.

 

[bh90210fan]

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest as GC is circling Ginbey but I doubt they are settled on him.

Ports second hopefully if it happens

 

[Dark Sharks]

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So it's potentially now pick 2, 40 and F2

For

5, 12, Port F2, Port F3?


Yeah nah. If you were off the mark with your Ginbey mock with the initial trade don't scramble on draft night to make it work now O'Brien.

If he's gone he's gone, means someone else will be there. Fold Coast can pick him all they want, he's not bonafied enough for us to warrant also coughing up a 2nd in a strong draft.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Rumour on the Suns board we might be interested in trading up to their pick 5 for our 8 and a future 2nd. Would guarantee us one of Ginbey or Clark.

Did the rumour come from a guy that came into someone’s work?

 

[bh90210fan]

Did the rumour come from a guy that came into someone’s work?

Yes

 

[Nuffington Post]

Rumour on the Suns board we might be interested in trading up to their pick 5 for our 8 and a future 2nd. Would guarantee us one of Ginbey or Clark.

Very intriguing … Mark Duffield was reporting we were very interested in Clark (along with Cadman) at pick 2.


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[Miguel Sanchez]

Suns looking to trade down would make sense, if they’re into Hollands. He seems unlikely to be taken by anyone else in the top 10.

But it doesn’t make a lot of sense for us to trade down from 2 then trade back up again.

 

[Nuffington Post]

Suns looking to trade down would make sense, if they’re into Hollands. He seems unlikely to be taken by anyone else in the top 10.

But it doesn’t make a lot of sense for us to trade down from 2 then trade back up again.

Yeah especially after OBrien said he thought it was a very even group this year


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[Bacchus]

Suns looking to trade down would make sense, if they’re into Hollands. He seems unlikely to be taken by anyone else in the top 10.

But it doesn’t make a lot of sense for us to trade down from 2 then trade back up again.

Why? We would still have gained #12 as a bonus and picked the player we wanted at something more closely approximating market price. Makes a lot of sense to me for both parties.

Although on the downside we have virtually given up Rioli for free, so it’s Rioli for #12 minus a downgrade on the third round swaps. Ours was #40 this year, Port’s next year will be in the 45-50 range.

Would have to be confident that Essendon doesn’t take the desired player i.e probably Ginbey if we have a focus on local players.

 

[Monocle]

For work, we had Chris Scott come and talk to us all - guest/motivational speaker.

Was interesting, as he talked all about the age and perception of the Geelong team and media sentiment around 'too old to win the premiership' which crept into their board. Pressure and conversation from some of the board was around we need to rebuild, Chris and his team were no we don't. So he presented back to them that no team or very rarely has a team bottomed out and gone to the draft to build success again - was a bit hazy here as I'm sure he meant fully relied on the draft to rebuild and challenge again.

Hawthorn - drafted Mitchell, Buddy, Roughy, Hodge, Lewis that built the core and then traded in Gunston, Gibson, Lake, Hale to complete the side. Tigers drafted most of theirs but added Prestia, Lynch.

He twisted 'too old/too slow' to 'most experienced' and showed a graph of where all the clubs sat and their experience level, which clearly showed they were the most. They also spoke about rather than whipping the older players over preseason, what's the point Isaac Smith is already an elite runner he's not going to get any better - they wanted to ensure he maintained that rather than over train him to get a 1% increase. So experienced players, built their own training programs with staff to ensure they could maintain optimal performance. Younger players had individual programs, but that was more about driving improvement.

It was interesting that they believe they can maintain success ongoing, without having to rebuild.

When he showed graphs of average age for 2022 we were one of the highest, got me thinking back to the arguments that followed on here about getting rid of older players vs the keeping experience on field and with training standards. Do we need to rebuild vs replenish the list.

I know our list is different to theirs etc etc, but if we draft well over the course of the next few seasons and then recruit some of the missing pieces there is no reason we can't get back up the ladder in a few seasons.

Interesting info thanks ECE.

There is / was, IMO, a harsh and stark, difference to our respective squads, Geelong V West Coast ...... hear me out.

The Cats older senior players, still seemed super keen to win another one ...... and another one .... the older brigade lead the focus and set the game day standards.

Whereas our senior guys after 2018 seemed to get complacent, satisfied and very content with themselves.
They collectively didn't put in as hard enough or as long enough on game day, now this piss poor attitude was ably supported by the Credits in The Bank attitude from Simpson and the match committee.

They ( being the Club, The Players, The Coaches ) can sugar coat it as much as they like, but the level of professionalism, accountability and application dropped off after the Premiership Players partied hard and sustained the festivities long after, the medals where Presented.

The: * Friends * Family * Flags. mantra, was soon replaced with: *Pats on the back. *Past Glories *Prams and Pushers. mantra.

What differentiates the 1992/ 1994 Premiership playing squads, was the well publicised attitude of the Premiership players who played in 1992, was their determination to get back to another GF so that their mates.... the likes of: Joffa Hart, David Hynes who has missed out getting a Premiership medal in 1992, got the opportunity to do so and it was the onus of all the other players to work together to ensure that was achieved
It's been mentioned regularly that the close player bond of season 1992, drove the 1994 Premiership.

Conversely, IMO, it's a real slight on the character of the 2018 Premiership Team, that they didn't do the work, the extra hard yards in the next few years to ensure that the likes of Sheppard, Gaff an Nic Nat enjoyed the taste of success that they had experienced.

The very fact that seasons 2019, 2020, 2021 and now 2022 have seen gross under achievement and a disjoint effort across the Club, shows that the burning desire, thats needed, to work hard enough for sustained success, simply has not been on show at The Club.

I do see it in the Cats senior players , however sadly, I don't see that same desire in the Eagles senior players.

The beat of the band is always set by the drummer and our drummer, has been out of beat for four seasons now.

As much as both the Scott Brothers piss me off, there is an arrogant defiant edge to them, that has to be respected.
Any who watched them play in their glory days at Brisbane in the three peat, would recognise the same tough as nails, hard arse, ruthlessness, combative style that they played with, being stamped on the players they coach.

Softness in a playing group is very difficult trait to remove, particularly if the leaders who should be eradicating it, are soft themselves.

 

[Nuffington Post]

Why? We would still have gained #12 as a bonus and picked the player we wanted at something more closely approximating market price. Makes a lot of sense to me for both parties.

Although on the downside we have virtually given up Rioli for free, so it’s Rioli for #12 minus a downgrade on the third round swaps. Ours was #40 this year, Port’s next year will be in the 45-50 range.

We traded down because supposedly the top 10 or so are very even. So would be odd to say actually the top 5 is better. If anyone is trading up it’s probably the saints.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Rumour on the Suns board we might be interested in trading up to their pick 5 for our 8 and a future 2nd. Would guarantee us one of Ginbey or Clark.

So in affect.

We go from..

Rioli, pick 2, 40
For 8 12 Ftr 2nd Ftr 3rd

To

Rioli pick 2 40
For 5 12 Ftr 3rd

Mmmm


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[Bacchus]

Despite ROB saying the top 5-15 are even they may well still have their eye on one or two players in particular.

Saying they are even is the political statement.