List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[WCErevival]

Obrien needs bigger glasses.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

If Phillipou was there at our 8, would we accept Melbourne’s offer of 2 x F1 plus 14 for the Phillipou pick plus 26? I am a yes.

Given how hard Melbourne want Phillipou, I think the Cats would tap out earlier.

It would leave us
2022 - 12 13 20
2023 - 3 x R1, 2x R2 2 x R3

I’d happily sell off to Sydney the Melbourne F1 for 14 or GWS for 15

Try to buy Blues pick 10

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

The way Ryan has been linked to Collingwood I have wondered

Try again

 

[Rowan18]

Going to be hilarious if they get more for 4 than what we got for 2

I have made peace with trading that pick, but I think I’ll melt if we did that trade just to take Ginbey and Allan

Not from the Dogs they won't. Their best offer is their first round selection this year and another next year (likely to be around pick 10).

 

[TerryFilk]

If Phillipou was there at our 8, would we accept Melbourne’s offer of 2 x F1 plus 14 for the Phillipou pick plus 26? I am a yes.

Given how hard Melbourne want Phillipou, I think the Cats would tap out earlier.

It would leave us
2022 - 12 13 20
2023 - 3 x R1, 2x R2 2 x R3

I’d happily sell off to Sydney the Melbourne F1 for 14 or GWS for 15

Try to buy Blues pick 10

I’d just take Phillipou personally.

 

[TerryFilk]

Not from the Dogs they won't. Their best offer is their first round selection this year and another next year (likely to be around pick 10).

They could include 21 as well and considering that next years draft will likely be better and they are trading for pick 4, not pick 2, the Dons are doing better in that deal than we did.

I think the Dogs future 1st could be anywhere from 7-14 though.

 

[Bestbird]

Going to be hilarious if they get more for 4 than what we got for 2

I have made peace with trading that pick, but I think I’ll melt if we did that trade just to take Ginbey and Allan

You probably have to take into account the go home factor issue when making the comparison

 

[shooshka]

They could include 21 as well and considering that next years draft will likely be better and they are trading for pick 4, not pick 2, the Dons are doing better in that deal than we did.

I think the Dogs future 1st could be anywhere from 7-14 though.

It's not that much better. And if you consider that the top end of this draft has talented Victorians who don't want to leave - then a vic team trading with a vic team should expect a decent premium for a high pick (not fair, I know, but our reality is that teams know/knew we were unlikely to take a handful of the high rated players so our pick value suffered because of it)

 

[TerryFilk]

Ginbey said “my dream would be to play for Fremantle”

Please keep this dude away from the club, imagine saying that when he knows there’s no chance he gets to Fremantle

Bring me someone with the minerals

 

[DanWCE]

I thought it was interesting that he said that since the season ended there hasn't been a lot of change in their thinking other than getting information through medicals etc.

Perhaps all the combine hype is just that and ROB and team have known what they wanted a fair way out.

Or we had the inside word on some athletic profiles of players who have now shot up draft boards due to the combine. May have had a couple circled for cheapish picks that now command a premium

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

You probably have to take into account the go home factor issue when making the comparison

Nah, any excuse to hate Essendon even more is alright by me.

 

[bh90210fan]

Ginbey said “my dream would be to play for Fremantle”

Please keep this dude away from the club, imagine saying that when he knows there’s no chance he gets to Fremantle

Bring me someone with the minerals

Wardlaw openly gagging for Essendon. Sheezel loves Hawthorn, Clark Collingwood. All not going to happen maybe everyone should just let them slide

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

If you look at Freo players who fell short of qualifying as father son prospects, Guv worked out pretty well.

Those claiming Allan is soft are fooling themselves. A pairing of Mackenzie and Allan by close of play tonight would be tasty.

The best part of that will be number of times we hear the notion of Ben handing his son the Glendinning-Allan medal in future years.

 

[TerryFilk]

Wardlaw openly gagging for Essendon. Sheezel loves Hawthorn, Clark Collingwood. All not going to happen maybe everyone should just let them slide

They just said they support them and it would be cool to go there, with Wardlaw and Sheezel - at least Essendon and Hawthorn actually have a pick in that area

Ginbey saying his dream to play for Fremantle is just weird when he’s likely to be picked up by us and knows he has a zero % chance to get to Fremantle. I’d completely understand if he said he supported Freo and what not, but this was just a weird thing to say on the eve of the draft

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

The best part of that will be number of times we hear the notion of Ben handing his son the Glendinning-Allan medal in future years.

The only scenario in which I will ever change football allegiances is if one of my boys is drafted, so it'll be even better if old man Allan is rocking the blue and gold when he hands over the medal.

 

[bh90210fan]

They just said they support them and it would be cool to go there, with Wardlaw and Sheezel - at least Essendon and Hawthorn actually have a pick in that area

Ginbey saying his dream to play for Fremantle is just weird when he’s likely to be picked up by us and knows he has a zero % chance to get to Fremantle. I’d completely understand if he said he supported Freo and what not, but this was just a weird thing to say on the eve of the draft

He said he’d be happy to come to WC and liked the Eagles what a bizarre thing to put a line through him over.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

I don't get the deal with Ed Allan. He seems like a taller Ash Smith from WA.

And Victoria is WA from Wish

 

[dinnaz]

Hopes we don't outsmart ourselves as we oft do by reaching at 8 & 12:
As for our main supposed targets

Ginbey - Has the power and breakaway capabilities to be something. However that something is likely to be an upgraded Powell-Pepper rather than Dangerfield.
Jefferson - Will likely be solid for 10 yrs but not a dominant KPP we can build around.
Allan - For all intents and purposes is a worse Blake Acres

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Blake Acres

Age

29

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.9

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

7.7

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.8

4star

. 2nd rounder 120 games and you're happy


Mackenzie gets a lot of love - Is a balanced mid sure, but outside leaning. A solid addition but no star. Dare I say may be relegated to a half back flank

 

[BrotherDodge]

Me tonight, only the flag says "DRAFT"

 

[CountryLad]

Late mail coming out of Australia post is that the Eagles have ****ed up the jumpers again. Due to rail delays with the flooding only one jumper has turned up but the plan is that luckily it’s as big as Chessers jumper and they will just stick both players in it.

 

[Doashuey]

Obrien needs bigger glasses.

 

[squashface]

If Essendon trades down with the Dogs and end up with their pick 11 then Hewett might be gone with that pick. I believe the Bombers are keen on him.

 

[DanWCE]

Late mail coming out of Australia post is that the Eagles have ****ed up the jumpers again. Due to rail delays with the flooding only one jumper has turned up but the plan is that luckily it’s as big as Chessers jumper and they will just stick both players in it.

Why would we rail freight something which would be sub-1kg?

 

[shooshka]

Hopes we don't outsmart ourselves as we oft do by reaching at 8 & 12:
As for our main supposed targets

Ginbey - Has the power and breakaway capabilities to be something. However that something is likely to be an upgraded Powell-Pepper rather than Dangerfield.
Jefferson - Will likely be solid for 10 yrs but not a dominant KPP we can build around.
Allan - For all intents and purposes is a worse Blake Acres. 2nd rounder 120 games and you're happy


Mackenzie gets a lot of love - Is a balanced mid sure, but outside leaning. A solid addition but no star. Dare I say may be relegated to a half back flank

The only possible reach (at this stage, unless there is a massive surprise) for us would be Allan at 9.

All of the other linked names, whilst not necessarily everyone's preference, would be within their draft range and not a reach.

I think I share the concerns with many around here about a Busslinger/Jefferson or Ginbey/Allan combo. It is purely about the mix of players though more than the number attached to their draft position. I would be OK with Ginbey/Jefferson but Busslinger/Allan I would not love.

 

[pantskyle]

I have not heard anything positive about Jefferson so I hope we steer well clear.