List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[CountryLad]

Was told if not rookie, then likely mid-season draft.
Just passing on what I heard.

You guys will have first pick too, so you’ll have no competition for him.

You didn’t come in peace or pardon your intrusion.
Also we couldn’t have been any more sh1t even if we tried last year and still couldn’t get pick one which then meant that Rob traded pick 2 and I’ve had to read 100 odd pages of why did Rob trade pick 2.
I doubt we get the spoon.

 

[MrWoollie]

As an aside to the draft, how good is it to see Drew Petrie still super involved with the club!
After the Vosso debacle, I wonder what Drew's career pathway with us is?
I hope he is a part of our management team for a long time to come.

funny that he spent 16 years and 300+ games at Norf and only 1 year and 16 games at WC.

Yet he seems to be more a WC guy than a Norf guy. Love it.

 

[VicBased]

And this won’t get manipulated to suit a clubs needs, I’m looking forward to seeing the next 179cm tall ruck waiting to develop

Having knowledge of the draft does not prove one works for an afl club. It's funny, what Phil is doing is not too different to me, my attack on him was strategic, it was to test people like you for a double standard, fair to say you failed that test. You see people believe what they want to believe, add in emotion and out the door goes logic. You express your support of Phil in a way that suggests a bias, an emotion. It is not based on impartiality and logic.

Spock has Spoken.

 

[Keys]

I find it interesting how some media analyse the trade/draft period when determining who did well

GOLD MEDAL

Geelong won the trade period and North Melbourne banked who most clubs believed were the best two players in the open draft. But Brisbane Lions enjoyed the No. 1 off-season. They traded for Jack Gunston

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Jack Gunston

Age

33

Ht

193cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.5

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

5.7

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.9

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.6

3star

and Josh Dunkley

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Josh Dunkley

Age

27

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

, signed Conor McKenna for nothing and drafted father-son guns Will Ashcroft and Jaspa Fletcher without going into points deficit. That could be five players slotting into the best 22 for a top-four team in premiership mode. Ashcroft was clearly the best teenager in the land and is a $3.50 favourite for the 2023 Rising Star after producing similar numbers to Nick Daicos, Fletcher is an outside midfielder who is as hard as nails and kicks long goals while Darcy Wilmot and Kai Lohmann from last year’s draft look good.

Hard to argue Geelong didn’t have a great trade period. Brought in Bruhn, Henry and Bowes (albeit with a sizeable salary cap handicap) and got a top 10 draft pick this year (Clark) whilst retaining their F1. Even acknowledging they gave away basically the rest of this and next years draft that’s a strong result after winning the flag. Courtesy mainly due to the Sun’s’ remarkable generosity/incompetence

Now North. Finished 18th then had last year’s No.1 pick walk out so it should be no surprise they end up with the two best players in the open draft. Brought in Logue and Tucker with gifted future picks. George and a F/S the only other players brought in. Their F2 has effectively been swapped for Ports F1 so they have a bit better future draft hand as well. It’s a good haul but considering they were last and gave up a potential future star it’s the minimum they should have expected

Brisbane, like Geelong, did well in the trade period to bring in Dunkley and Gunston whilst accumulating enough points to match bids for Ashcroft and Fletcher. What’s forgotten is this is essentially their haul for the 2022 and 2023 drafts as all they have next year is Geelongs F2. So it’s effectively the result of 2 off seasons rather than just one

West Coast who admittedly had a good draft hand courtesy of finishing 17th, managed 4 picks inside 30 and added a F2 and F3 (tied to Port) whilst retaining all their own future picks. They lost Rioli

I don’t think when looking at drafts, media look at what clubs give away from their future and/or players traded out. It makes a difference but is rarely recognised

 

[kane249]

Not sure about the second part (who we take) - I'd highly doubt Culley would have been on anyone's radar in December 2021 but the hype was so extreme that one of this boards most hated loved frequent posters even thought at account bet was warranted as he was such an obvious pick.

The Alias account of a recent 'insider' also confidently said "Simmo is a dead shit" and the Eagles wouldn't be taking Culley and would be going for Ramsden/Florenca instead.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

He seems to be working in a player welfare role learning from Serge Miller who was also in the Burgiel video.

Serge has been at the club forever and he’s the one responsible for getting recruits settled in and looked after. It’s an underrated role but a really important one when it comes to player retention and he’s been very good at it

It’s funny that the guy who came over at the end of 2016 with no guarantees and whose recruitment was initially unpopular is still at the club. Meanwhile the other bloke (Mitchell) who came across with a 4 year contract with much jubilation broke his contract and left after just 2 years

He’s out of the limelight but I reckon Petrie is a really important part of the clubs fabric

I like how Petrie stayed with us and completely forgot about North where he played 300 games.

Joke is on Mitchell. He should have stayed and seen out his contract with us. Would have enabled Hawks to bottom out and rebuild before he came in and took them on the upswing. As it is he is now going to oversee further years of pain. Hell he could have stayed with us and replaced Simpson and been further along as a competitor than he is with Hawks. Their list is about as dire as anyone in the leagues not named North.

Petrie avoided going to the rabble that is currently North. Stayed with us, build his experience, and he can go back to North at anytime if he so wishes when the actually start being competitive (if ever).

 

[Rowan18]

Does Wesley College in Perth have any affiliation with its namesake in Melbourne. I always assumed they were independent of one another.

Completely independent. The name refers to the Wesley Church which rolled up into the uniting Church at some point ( I think in th 50s or 60s). The link is that they are both uniting Church schools (but the church doesn't run the school directly).

 

[Into The Black]

funny that he spent 16 years and 300+ games at Norf and only 1 year and 16 games at WC.

Yet he seems to be more a WC guy than a Norf guy. Love it.

Even in a professional league it is vitally important to stay loyal to your players as much as possible. West Coast have always done this well.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

So it’s not so much that Rob/Eagles have gone private school it’s just more that the majority of players drafted are going down the private schools path

Yeah, most come from private schools these days. Back in the day, I was part of the APS and sports program was ridiculously good, grounds were in top nic, facilities were really good and ex AFL people were starting to take roles in coaching etc. This has only increased since me leaving many moons ago, everything has improved out of site, so parents are opting to send their kids to private schools so they hopefully flourish in sports/academic. If they are really good at footy, and not at a private school they usually get a scholarship thrown at them. So most in Melbourne end up at a private school.

But West Coast have now created a little pattern of private school boys, from country Vic who board at their private school. It's smart, as they're used to living away from home already, and country kids at heart who aren't tied to Melbourne, with the private schooling too. Chesser, Long and Burgiel now.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

He seems to be working in a player welfare role learning from Serge Miller who was also in the Burgiel video.

Serge has been at the club forever and he’s the one responsible for getting recruits settled in and looked after. It’s an underrated role but a really important one when it comes to player retention and he’s been very good at it

It’s funny that the guy who came over at the end of 2016 with no guarantees and whose recruitment was initially unpopular is still at the club. Meanwhile the other bloke (Mitchell) who came across with a 4 year contract with much jubilation broke his contract and left after just 2 years

He’s out of the limelight but I reckon Petrie is a really important part of the clubs fabric

He was there on draft night, and was chaperoning Ginbey and his family around as soon as he was selected. Had his jumper for him etc, the welcome to club.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Imagine being so far up your own anoos you vomit this out on a football forum to a bunch of volunteer mods:

I've never been afraid to take on those in power. Always been a renegade a rebel. I speak truth to power what can I say

 

[Ghossein]

He seems to be working in a player welfare role learning from Serge Miller who was also in the Burgiel video.

Serge has been at the club forever and he’s the one responsible for getting recruits settled in and looked after. It’s an underrated role but a really important one when it comes to player retention and he’s been very good at it

It’s funny that the guy who came over at the end of 2016 with no guarantees and whose recruitment was initially unpopular is still at the club. Meanwhile the other bloke (Mitchell) who came across with a 4 year contract with much jubilation broke his contract and left after just 2 years

He’s out of the limelight but I reckon Petrie is a really important part of the clubs fabric

Wasn't he a quasi-ruck coach for a while too?

 

[Ghossein]

I've never been afraid to take on those in power. Always been a renegade a rebel. I speak truth to power what can I say.

 

[VicBased]

Wait, Westcoast88 is Tom Browne, right?

Naw, it's "Chumpchanges" new platform for voicing garbage.

 

[bzparkes]

Imagine being so far up your own anoos you vomit this out on a football forum to a bunch of volunteer mods:

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Was told if not rookie, then likely mid-season draft.
Just passing on what I heard.

You guys will have first pick too, so you’ll have no competition for him.

While Clarkson seems to be very busy fixing the club, I still have serious question marks over Norths ability to improve in 2023.

- What will the weight of the racism investigation have on Clarkson and the club?
- You've recruited a ton of midfielders with early picks, but your spine looks VFL quality at best.
. 2020, passed on McDonald for a midfielder. Took 5 mids/smalls in the draft.
. 2021, picked up 5 mids/smalls
. 2022, passed on Cadman, selected 4 mids/smalls in the draft

So good luck to your lot, but I think you're going to be anchoring the ladder for a few seasons yet.

 

[CountryLad]

Yeah, most come from private schools these days. Back in the day, I was part of the APS and sports program was ridiculously good, grounds were in top nic, facilities were really good and ex AFL people were starting to take roles in coaching etc. This has only increased since me leaving many moons ago, everything has improved out of site, so parents are opting to send their kids to private schools so they hopefully flourish in sports/academic. If they are really good at footy, and not at a private school they usually get a scholarship thrown at them. So most in Melbourne end up at a private school.

But West Coast have now created a little pattern of private school boys, from country Vic who board at their private school. It's smart, as they're used to living away from home already, and country kids at heart who aren't tied to Melbourne, with the private schooling too. Chesser, Long and Burgiel now.

Kind of understand that as an Ex boarder. Generally you adapt over a period of 1-3 years everyone is a little different in terms of home sickness.
It’s why I’d like to see slightly longer contracts for the kids, if they push through that 3-4 year period of being away you generally get used to being away from home.
Be far easier for the ex boarders to transition to Perth than for a kid that have never been away from Mum and Dad for long periods of time.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Joke is on Mitchell. He should have stayed and seen out his contract with us. Would have enabled Hawks to bottom out and rebuild before he came in and took them on the upswing. As it is he is now going to oversee further years of pain. Hell he could have stayed with us and replaced Simpson and been further along as a competitor than he is with Hawks. Their list is about as dire as anyone in the leagues not named North.

Petrie avoided going to the rabble that is currently North. Stayed with us, build his experience, and he can go back to North at anytime if he so wishes when the actually start being competitive (if ever).

Mitchell unfortunately reportedly into the welfare of partners of ex players hence his wife put her foot down and demanded a return.

 

[TheNewAnchor]

Serge is also the guy who chipped the cameraman filming Naitanui that time.

If my Intel is correct, and it pretty much always is.

Just look at how I said eagles would take Hewett.

'If my intel is correct, and it pretty much always is"......your intel manifests itself in your own mind! The garbage you constantly regurgitate on these forums has rendered you irrelevant and the only person who puts any value on your posts is, guess who, YOU!

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Gee

 

[Into The Black]

Nice first post, friend of yours DS ?

 

[Bender_]

"Look, I just joined, but if my intel is correct, Dark Sharks is full of shit."

Outstanding

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Kinda starting to feel we should lay off Westcoast88 and his new alias TheNewAnchor

Strong indicators of mental health problems. And I don't mean this in a derogatory way, but a genuine concern that either he has some real world issues he's dealing with or that he's on the spectrum.

 

[bzparkes]

'If my intel is correct, and it pretty much always is"......your intel manifests itself in your own mind! The garbage you constantly regurgitate on these forums has rendered you irrelevant and the only person who puts any value on your posts is, guess who, YOU!

The like ratio says otherwise.

 

[bzparkes]

Not gonna lie, this board gets better by the day.