List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[Manbearpig77]

I really hope we go for McKercher over Curtin.

Fills much more of a need.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

No harm in sending Oscar Allen in for surgery/rest instead of strapping every single inch of him up.
McGovern could have been put in cotton wool after (dislocating?) his shoulder.
Play Trew and Chesser for full games.

FFS North already retired 2 of their best players a couple of weeks ago and no one bats an eyelid.

Absolutely, one or both don't play and we would've lost yesterday.
And it would have been legitimate reasons not to play them.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

I thought Matt Rowell was tall enough not to be called a midget

Everyone's obsession with 193 big bodies midfielders needs to take a reality check in that there are very few of them and they're a unicorn you have to be lucky to unearth.



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[Wooshaaaa]

I'm going to ask people a pretty simple question. The past is the past and it all comes down to your own belief.

Assuming all stays the same and as a club we are 5 goals down in the first quarter of the 2018 grand final do people think the result would have been the same if we hadn't beaten port in the elimination final the year before? Do you think the players have that belief? I don't, as a matter of fact I think without that win the club wouldn't have gotten near a grand final in 2018.

Tough wins in big games build belief in a group of players. Tough wins, particularly away from home build belief in young players.

Here is something for people to take note of outside of the industry. Almost every quality AFL player going around has come from a club and junior background where they are used to winning, b&f after b&f, being absolute stars and being told they can do anything. Then they arriWve at AFL level and have to play against seasoned men and what do you know, all of a sudden you're the little fish in the big pond. Sure with high enough talent levels the really top end picks barring major injuries almost all end up at least decent players. However talent only takes you so far, if players get to the point where they either think it's too tough, are forever losing or worse think they can't make it then all the talent in the world won't save them let alone have them become potential top 5 in the league players. For some even high end talents the seasoned men on their own team can seem like being at a level they just can't compete with.

How many people here would have Jack Martin

19

Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

, Jake Stringer

20

Jake Stringer

Age

30

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.8

5star

D

8.5

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.5

1star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

4star

G

2.5

5star

D

7.2

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

or Jordan De Goey

2

Jordan De Goey

Age

28

Ht

188cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.7

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.1

5star

CL

2.3

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.7

3star

CL

2.3

4star

D

11.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

in their best 5 players in the league? At absolute worst I'd have all 3 in the top 10 most talented in the league.

The 2017 port win was 100% the catalyst to build belief that we had something. No doubt.

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[Sammy J]

It is what it is. Have to keep the faith that whoever we draft will become a very important cog in the rebuild.

 

[Convocation]

Tom Morris reporting on SEN this morning West Coast have put a 4 year deal in front of Deven Robertson

2

Deven Robertson

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

, Lions have a 2 year deal in front of him.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

It's another concern for Yeo. Did a hammy on the weekend. Unbelievably injury prone.

Seems we going for some more deja vu with our older players. Gov just got through by the thinnest of margins. Looked hurt on multiple occasions.
Reckon the way Yeo is going next season will be his last too.

Yeop, BC simmo continues to make him play in the midfield.

I've said it all year long, he is no longer capable to play 100minutes week in week out as an inside mid.

He needs to go down in defence full time next year.

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[garlic munchers]

After seeing Hewitt play a few games, I'm not that bothered about not getting Reid. We already have an explosive mid now that just needs to get some games under him. Someone like McKercher would be fine.

Reid is Petracca like.

Winning was/is a shiteshow.

Cripps, Yeo and McGovern were huge in this win... players we need to replace and Reid would have checked one of these off.

Shambles.

 

[UseR2006]

People saying the 2017 win is nothing like this one.
How do you think the players get the belief that they were still in that 2017 match?
By doing it in H&A matches throughout the year.
Wins like yesterday are stepping stones to greater wins down the road.

Glad we won, screw pick 1.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

The 2017 port win was 100% the catalyst to build belief that we had something. No doubt.

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That game we won vs essendon last year really spring boarded us from 2 wins in 2022 to 3 wins in 2023 .

Things are not the same .

The list profile in 2017 vs 2023 is completely different

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Tom Morris reporting on SEN this morning West Coast have put a 4 year deal in front of Deven Robertson, Lions have a 2 year deal in front of him.


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Watch us blow pick 34 or 39 on him when we should be getting him for 55

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Lol when has Reid ever informed us of that? That was shut down by US, Reid’s management and Reid’s coach.

I literally said it might be a bunch of fluff, but when that info is coming out of his camp via his uncle, there's likely something there. Top end draft picks with the hype that Reid has behind them have never as much power.

 

[Godfather32]

If our wingmen are rubbish there's not much else we can do with them. We have seen what Chesser gives us, and that's currently zilch then the sub vest.

Ohh, I've been reliably informed that Chesser is going to be great and certainly much better than Matt Johnson though

 

[Royalbeagle]

I have a counter argument to the argument being pushed on this thread that this win has magical properties attached to it in terms of inspiring the players on our list for years to come and that supersedes the loss of draft position in importance. I think that an additional big negative from todays win, in addition to the loss of draft position, is that it is going to provide ammunition to the people running the club to argue for continuing on with their minimal change agenda and will likely result in us spinning our wheels in the mud for another 12 months with only superficial changes being made at the club and only for the sake of optics, i.e. assistant coaches and and the fitness coach.

Nisbett and co seem to believe in an inevitable magical reversion to the mean. That we will become strong, successfull and perennially competitive again because that is what we have been for most of our existence. They are ignoring the reality that a lot of the advantages that we used to have such as having more money to spend on the best quality staff/systems and more staff are now gone due to the soft cap. We were able to defy gravity in the past and be successfull despite not having access to high draft picks because of these advantages. Thats now gone. But they have not processed that yet.

They are also in denial and still believing their own bull**** about how bad the state of our list is, how bad their drafting has been, how bad the list management has been with ridiculous contracts being given out, how bad our high performance department has been. Watch them carefully and what they say. It is very clear that they still think everybody else is wrong and they are right. They are not going to publicly argue their case on that because the results are so awful that they would be laughed out of town if they tried. And they know that. But they definately do not accept the consensus and almost unanimous industry opinion about how incompetent they have been and how far standards have slipped. They really do believe their basket of excuses including Covid and injuries. I think if the Nisbett faction wins the day the only changes will be cosmetic and will only be being made for the purposes of looking like they are doing something and trying to deflect some of the criticism. And this win today greatly helps the Nisbett faction remain in control for another 12 months.

In many ways we are like an alcaholic waiting to hit rock bottom before he accepts reality and changes his ways. Todays win might be like a trampoline that prevents us from hitting rock bottom for another 12 months.

Another poor element of yesterdays win was having to listen to the theme song again. It just plainly sucks and is another example of how arrogant they are to foist that upon the supporters without any consultation.

 

[bzparkes]

Ohh, I've been reliably informed that Chesser is going to be great and certainly much better than Matt Johnson though

To be fair, Johnson's done SFA apart from last week.

Been subbed out more than Chesser this year, I think.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

It will be okay. North will beat Gold Coast.

I don't hold the same confidence you do on that. North don't know how to win.

 

[nob2210]

Really blame the Dogs for this TBH. What were the odds for us to win before the game? 17/1 or something stupid? Dogs playing for finals and us coming off a hundred point thumping. No one thought we would win this game. Once the momentum started the Dogs should have been able to stop it, they didn’t.
At that point you can’t tell players to stop. So the Dogs are s**t and we get the pick we get.

16/1. Got on it 5mins before bounce down whilst sitting in the stands!

 

[Godfather32]

To be fair, Johnson's done SFA apart from last week.

Been subbed out more than Chesser this year, I think.

I think he's had some fairly good games this year where he wasn't the sub or subbed off.
My cockburn brother reckons he's played pretty well.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I do look forward to all the talk of how West Coast should trade pick 1 for more picks because they need more talent in the doors to disappear now North have pick 1 and Harley Reid once again becomes the best thing since sliced bread.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

That game we won vs essendon last year really spring boarded us from 2 wins in 2022 to 3 wins in 2023 .

Things are not the same .

The list profile in 2017 vs 2023 is completely different

As is the injury profile FFS

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[Deepthroat]

Those drinking the Harley Reid Gatorade are losing their minds.

It is a cult like belief he is Superman.

I loved the win yesterday. It showed something bigger than just one talented kid. PASSION.

They played for each other and more importantly played for their coach who has taken so, so many bullets for this squad this year.

The Dev Roberston talk is exactly what I was hoping for.

Now need to add a couple more of his ilk and the No 2 kid.................

 

[bzparkes]

I don't hold the same confidence you do on that. North don't want to win.

FTFY.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Can't wait for the pick one sooks to have collective amnesia once we start climbing up the ladder and shitstains like Norf are still struggling.

 

[bzparkes]

That game we won vs essendon last year really spring boarded us from 2 wins in 2022 to 3 wins in 2023 .

Things are not the same .

The list profile in 2017 vs 2023 is completely different

Yep, 50% extra wins for the season. Win next week and it'll be 100%.

Keep that up for a few seasons and we'll go undefeated.

 

[eaglespremiers]

I have a counter argument to the argument being pushed on this thread