Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

[EskimoPAFC]

Jesus America just cracked 162,000 new cases in a single day.

Predictable there would be an increase given the scenes from their election process but still...

 

[RossFC]

Jesus America just cracked 162,000 new cases in a single day.

Predictable there would be an increase given the scenes from their election process but still...

Might take years before we allow people to go and come from America.

 

[VineValerian]

Jesus America just cracked 162,000 new cases in a single day.

Predictable there would be an increase given the scenes from their election process but still...

Fake news according to one self proclaimed expert, since it's actually going away. And it's all Biden's fault anyway.

 

[Interstater]

Am I the only one expecting a public backlash against yesterdays statement about "jumping the queue"?

If you fund the supply of a vaccine privately and are only risking your own health by taking it why the hell should you get a fine or jail time for doing so.
Massive overreach by the government in my opinion.

Why should some dickhead in Canberra be the one who decides who gets to go first, beyond the obvious ones like healthcare and aged care workers.
Of course all their rich mates and their mining company workers will get silver service.

We are more than just cogs in some dystopian machine ffs.

 

[raptalia]

Might take years before we allow people to go and come from America.

In this morning's press Port are considering going back to China in 2022. Andrew Hunter is quoted as saying that Australian Rules Football might be the thing that starts the healing process in China/ Australia relationships. Yeah, good luck with that one Andrew. Rightly or wrongly the Chinese are upset and I doubt that a game of Aussie Rules in Shanghai is going to change that.

Kochie is quoted as saying that Port had not given up on it's Chinese venture but he did not put any time line on a resumption of AFL games in China.

The other thing to consider is the Federal and State Government's support for the China venture and how likely they are to want to continue.

Sometime down the track games in China will resume but I think 2022 is a bit optimistic.

 

[philreich]

Jesus America just cracked 162,000 new cases in a single day.

Predictable there would be an increase given the scenes from their election process but still...

And more than 4 million active cases across the country - this monster ain't going away any time soon.

 

[raptalia]

Fake news according to one self proclaimed expert, since it's actually going away. And it's all Biden's fault anyway.

At that rate the US will have another 6,642,000 infections by Christmas. All this while that same self proclaimed expert sits in his basement sulking.

Meanwhile Joe Biden's expert panel is calling for a nation wide six week lock down to halt the spread. Anthony Fauci is advocating against a lockdown and putting his faith in a vaccine being rolled out in April. It begs the question as to how much more damage will be done by April? At around 3,000,000 new infections a month that is possibly another 15,000,000 new infections by April 2021.

The article below was written on a day when the US recorded 140,000 new infections and that number has since risen to over 160,000 in a single day. The situation is not getting any better in the US.

Fauci goes against Biden's COVID chief; says lockdown is NOT necessary

Biden's hire, Dr. Michael Osterholm, hit headlines on Wednesday, claiming that a lengthy lockdown may be the best way to keep hospitalizations and deaths down.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[rumoursofwinter]

Heard on the BBC that Swedish authorities are having a re think on their COVID strategy. They have stopped short of a full lockdown but have limited the public consumption of alcohol. Bars must stop serving at 10.00 pm. They have also recommended that limits be placed on gyms, non essential shops etc.

In the past month infections in Sweden have skyrocketed from 95,425 to 171,191. The death toll is also climbing.

The link below is about a month old but even then many experts were warning that Sweden had got it wrong. It looks like the Swedish Government is starting to listen.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-monday-edition-1.5767947/swedish-virologist-says-her-country-s-covid-19-strategy-has-failed-but-nobody-will-admit-it-1.5767967

In the guardian today it makes it pretty clear that Sweden is intent on keeping it's course.

Italy registers 550 more deaths; record daily cases in Germany, Sweden and Russia – as it happened

Italy also registers 40,000 new infections; Germany records 23,542 new cases; Russia reports its worst day for new infections; Sweden’s hits daily record

www.theguardian.com

At 5,990, the number of new cases reported on Friday was the highest since the start of the pandemic. A further 42 deaths were also recorded, the most for around three months. The strategy, however, will not change.

“No, we will keep on this path,” the chief epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, told Reuters in a telephone interview on Friday. “This is how we work in Sweden. We have big understanding for this and a huge adherence to the rules.”

 

[rumoursofwinter]

No cases for Melbourne again today.

I'm feeling the facemark restrictions being eased in a week.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

At that rate the US will have another 6,642,000 infections by Christmas. All this while that same self proclaimed expert sits in his basement sulking.

Meanwhile Joe Biden's expert panel is calling for a nation wide six week lock down to halt the spread. Anthony Fauci is advocating against a lockdown and putting his faith in a vaccine being rolled out in April. It begs the question as to how much more damage will be done by April? At around 3,000,000 new infections a month that is possibly another 15,000,000 new infections by April 2021.

The article below was written on a day when the US recorded 140,000 new infections and that number has since risen to over 160,000 in a single day. The situation is not getting any better in the US.

Fauci goes against Biden's COVID chief; says lockdown is NOT necessary

Biden's hire, Dr. Michael Osterholm, hit headlines on Wednesday, claiming that a lengthy lockdown may be the best way to keep hospitalizations and deaths down.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You aren't wrong here, but it's worth noting that the infections themselves only last about 4 weeks though regardless of outcome, so if it stays consistent at 100k new cases per day they will probably be in a better situation in April than in December (due to reacting to capacity needs).

Their death count would possibly double though, which is pretty horrific.

The scarier part would be if they continue to see exponential growth, but I think there has to be a cap on that and surely that cap is less than half a million.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

I've just about given up on reading stuff about Sweden.

Seems like anybody writing about it starts with a vested interest in wanting to explain why it's worked or hasn't worked. Very hard to find an actual factual, balanced article given the state of today's media shit show.

 

[raptalia]

I've just about given up on reading stuff about Sweden.

Seems like anybody writing about it starts with a vested interest in wanting to explain why it's worked or hasn't worked. Very hard to find an actual factual, balanced article given the state of today's media sh*t show.

The difference this time around is the Swedes themselves are admitting their strategy has not worked. Mind you there isn't a lot difference between Sweden and the majority of States in the US. Most of these heavily infected nations did not act quickly enough.

Swedish scientists call for politicians to override health agency as nation's death toll mounts

Sweden remains steadfast in its strategy of voluntary measures and no lockdowns, as the country battles a growing second wave of a disease that has now killed more than 6,000 Swedes.

www.abc.net.au

 

[rumoursofwinter]

Below is the update on Swedens death rate per capita compared to other European nations. (and general policy stance)

Italy registers 550 more deaths; record daily cases in Germany, Sweden and Russia – as it happened

Italy also registers 40,000 new infections; Germany records 23,542 new cases; Russia reports its worst day for new infections; Sweden’s hits daily record

www.theguardian.com

In contrast to many other countries, Sweden has kept schools, restaurants and other businesses open throughout the pandemic. Instead, it has focused on voluntary measures aimed at promoting social distancing and good hygiene, such as working from home if possible, avoiding public transport and crowded indoor activities.

While Sweden’s death rate per capita is lower than in countries such as Spain and Britain, it is more than 10 times higher than neighbouring Norway and almost five times higher than in Denmark.

 

[Interstater]

I've just about given up on reading stuff about Sweden.

Seems like anybody writing about it starts with a vested interest in wanting to explain why it's worked or hasn't worked. Very hard to find an actual factual, balanced article given the state of today's media sh*t show.

I like to read this one.

https://www.thelocal.se/

Sweden has rolled out local coronavirus measures to Dalarna, Gotland, Värmland and Västmanland.
With these additions, that means 17 of Sweden's 21 regions are currently subject to stricter restrictions issued by the Public Health Agency (allmänna råd or 'general recommendations'). These are not legally binding, so there are no fines for violating them, but are at the same time not considered optional and do have a basis in the Communicable Diseases Act. The Blekinge region has also introduced its own regional recommendations.

Effective immediately, the new rules mean that people in the four regions are urged to:

• If possible, avoid having physical contact with other people than those you live with. That includes among other things a recommendation against organising or attending a party or similar social occasion. You should also avoid certain kinds of activities if they cannot be carried out without physical distance to others, such as contact sports or health or beauty care that is not medically justified.
• Refrain from being in indoor environment such as shops, shopping centres, museums, libraries, swimming pools and gyms, with the exception of for example grocery stores and pharmacies.
• Refrain from taking part in meetings, concerts, shows, sports training, matches or competitions. This does not apply to sports training for children and young people born 2005 or later.

People living in Dalarna, Värmland and Västmanland are also urged to:

• Avoid unnecessary travel. Travelling within or between regions could contribute to increased spread of infection because you often meet new people, which starts new chains of transmission. You should therefore, as far as it is possible, refrain from such travel. This recommendation is not intended to prevent people from, for example, going to work, studies/employment or healthcare which requires physical presence.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

In this morning's press Port are considering going back to China in 2022. Andrew Hunter is quoted as saying that Australian Rules Football might be the thing that starts the healing process in China/ Australia relationships. Yeah, good luck with that one Andrew. Rightly or wrongly the Chinese are upset and I doubt that a game of Aussie Rules in Shanghai is going to change that.

Kochie is quoted as saying that Port had not given up on it's Chinese venture but he did not put any time line on a resumption of AFL games in China.

The other thing to consider is the Federal and State Government's support for the China venture and how likely they are to want to continue.

Sometime down the track games in China will resume but I think 2022 is a bit optimistic.

Andrew Hunter is not Port Adelaide. 2022 is his opinion, not Port's. He's got a book to launch in 9 days time.

We will look at going back to play a game there at some point down the track but a lot has to change before that.

 

[OneGreatClub]

At that rate the US will have another 6,642,000 infections by Christmas. All this while that same self proclaimed expert sits in his basement sulking.

Meanwhile Joe Biden's expert panel is calling for a nation wide six week lock down to halt the spread. Anthony Fauci is advocating against a lockdown and putting his faith in a vaccine being rolled out in April. It begs the question as to how much more damage will be done by April? At around 3,000,000 new infections a month that is possibly another 15,000,000 new infections by April 2021.

The article below was written on a day when the US recorded 140,000 new infections and that number has since risen to over 160,000 in a single day. The situation is not getting any better in the US.

Fauci goes against Biden's COVID chief; says lockdown is NOT necessary

Biden's hire, Dr. Michael Osterholm, hit headlines on Wednesday, claiming that a lengthy lockdown may be the best way to keep hospitalizations and deaths down.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It feels almost too late. Trump has no love for his country and continues to spout falsehoods to his 70 million voters. They will not fall into line. In my mind Trump shares company with Stalin.

 

[davesnothere]

It feels almost too late. Trump has no love for his country and continues to spout falsehoods to his 70 million voters. They will not fall into line. In my mind Trump shares company with Stalin.

The GOP have 70 million voters. Trump has about 15 million. The rest are sane and support the democratic process.

 

[raptalia]

Andrew Hunter is not Port Adelaide. 2022 is his opinion, not Port's. He's got a book to launch in 9 days time.

We will look at going back to play a game there at some point down the track but a lot has to change before that.

I didn't say he was but he is quoted in this morning's press and he does know a thing or two about China.

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[raptalia]

Australia has just racked up a week without a local infection. If we can go for another week that will make a 14 day cycle without a local infection.

 

[Interstater]

If its ok for NSW to not show overseas acquired cases then its good enough for the rest of us.

 

[Del165198]

we sit back and watch the rest of the world be the guinea pigs for the various vaccines going around, wait it out for a while then bingo bango pick the best one.

 

[OneGreatClub]

If its ok for NSW to not show overseas acquired cases then its good enough for the rest of us.

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Yeah there should be 2 seperate columns

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I didn't say he was but he is quoted in this morning's press and he does know a thing or two about China.

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You wrote - "In this morning's press Port are considering going back to China in 2022."

Not one Port Adelaide employee or official was quoted in that article. An ex employee trying to flog his book said he was optimistic, and in the video embedded in the story he said - I see a possibility of there being a game there in the future, I just don't think it will happen next year. From the article

Mr Hunter, also an international adviser to former SA premier Jay Weatherill, said football could be “an important piece in the broader national engagement of China” and a game 2022 was is conceivable.

Andrew resigned before Covid shutdown the comp. He hasn't had to worry about Port surviving the virus impact. Richo in his 3 or 4 interviews post getting the CEO's job has has said the impact of the virus will take more than 1 or 2 years to get over.

He has also said we will continue with the China strategy re commercial and business opportunities, but when asked about a game in China again, without saying the exact words, he's put a game there as a 45th order issue and way out into the future.

With no KT or Andrew Hunter at the club anymore, Richo would be our most experienced executive with knowledge of the experiences of putting the game on in China. He has never mentioned 2022.

Its a subtle, but important difference.

 

[raptalia]

You wrote - "In this morning's press Port are considering going back to China in 2022."

Not one Port Adelaide employee or official was quoted in that article. An ex employee trying to flog his book said he was optimistic, and in the video embedded in the story he said - I see a possibility of there being a game there in the future, I just don't think it will happen next year. From the article

Mr Hunter, also an international adviser to former SA premier Jay Weatherill, said football could be “an important piece in the broader national engagement of China” and a game 2022 was is conceivable.

Andrew resigned before Covid shutdown the comp. He hasn't had to worry about Port surviving the virus impact. Richo in his 3 or 4 interviews post getting the CEO's job has has said the impact of the virus will take more than 1 or 2 years to get over.

He has also said we will continue with the China strategy re commercial and business opportunities, but when asked about a game in China again, without saying the exact words, he's put a game there as a 45th order issue and way out into the future.

With no KT or Andrew Hunter at the club anymore, Richo would be our most experienced executive with knowledge of the experiences of putting the game on in China. He has never mentioned 2022.

Its a subtle, but important difference.

I am not holding the news item up as gospel but it was in the paper and I thought it worthy of comment. Doubtless the article was a commercial exercise engineered to publicise the release on Andrew Hunter's book. As I posted going back to China isn't simply a matter of the PAFC deciding when we will go. Any decision would need the support of the AFL and the State and Federal Governments and of course the Chinese Government will have to change it's current anti Australian stance. I am not sure that any or all of those factors will be in place for a while. Over riding all of that of course is the need for an effective vaccine and none of the candidates have passed the final hurdles yet. I would not think we could go anywhere near China until an effective vaccine has been rolled out in Australia and in China and that could take several years. I would be really surprised if we were back in China in 2022.

Personally China is not my 'flavour of the month' atm and I would not have a bar of them but I guess any future decision will be a commercial one. I agree that with Keith Thomas and Andrew Hunter gone the driving forces for the China exercise are no longer at Alberton. I get the impression that David Koch sees dollars in going back to China at some stage and if he stays around long enough he may get a China revisit over the line.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Jfc.... if we assume a 2% death rate that means that yesterday alone 3720 people will die from the cases reported yesterday.

For context, 2977 died on September 11.

14th November 2020 will probably result in a bigger loss of life for America than 11th September 2001.