Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 2

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red+black said:
Anyone else receive a free copy of Ralph magazine from Crown Casino in the mail?
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Yep. Nice...erm... read.
 
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Shoot me now. I went and played 1/2 tonight, yep 1/2. I can't remember the last time I played 1/2. I start with $80, with a further $70 in my pocket. I'm blinding down a little, not getting anything, folding a lot, LOLing at how loose everyone is. I top up to $80 every orbit or so. I limp with 56s and call a raise to 7. Flop Q65, there's a bet, call, I raise, they call. Same on the turn except I push, get called by AA.

So I'm chipped up and get KK. MP raises to 7, two callers, I 3-bet to 30, two call. Flop T9x with a flush draw. I bet, MP pushes for 50 more, other guy pushes for about 30. MP has 99 for middle set, other guy has 54hh and rivers a flush. ####ing moron. I was happy for MP to win it, other idiot calls 30 pre-flop when his stack is a touch above 50. I actually got KK the very next hand but no callers.

Apart from that hiccup, all is going well until THE IDIOT arrived. He stood out like a sore thumb. Saw every flop, called every bet, and when he check-raised, it just looked dirty. I didn't like him. And he proved to be my nemesis :rolleyes:.

I get TT and raise it up. He limped and called the raise. Flop J43 with two hearts. I bet 15, he calls. 2h on the turn, I bet 15, he min-raises. I'm like WTF? What on earth do you have? I call. Q on the river, I check, he bets 30, again I'm like WTF, I don't understand how you played the hand. I call.

What did he have? What are the possibilities? (For now, I'll leave this for you guys).

I flop a flush draw and backdoor straight draw, bluff in position on the river, IDIOT folds top pair, unfortunately another guy saw it for what it was. The two of them had the same hand, QT on a Q high board.

Last hand I limp-call a raise to 10 on the button with 97hh. Flop 986 with two diamonds. PFR bets 20, IDIOT calls, I push for 70, PFR is not happy and folds KK, IDIOT calls, with A3dd and of course the turn is 7d and I don't book up.

So I leave $150 down, IDIOT probably walks out with $600. It's so ####ing frustrating that idiots can win money.

1/2 was fine for the most part until the IDIOT arrived. Players are bad. I mean, take for example this hand. I have T9dd and call a raise to 7. Flop J87 with 2 hearts. I bet, one guy calls. 6h on the turn, I bet, he calls. Brick 4 on the river, I bet, he raises, shame there's a flush on board, but there's enough in the pot, I flat. He rivered a set!!! What was he doing calling down all the way with 44, then raising when he hits? Please put him on a 2/3 table with decent stacks, no flush on board, and he'll push to my 3-bet on the river. ####ing moran!

On another hand, the IDIOT check-raised on the river with an underfull when it was obvious it wasn't good. Lucky for him other guy didn't re-raise. So bad, so very bad.
 
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red+black said:
He rivered a set!!! What was he doing calling down all the way with 44, then raising when he hits? Please put him on a 2/3 table with decent stacks, no flush on board, and he'll push to my 3-bet on the river. ####ing moran!
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I found him... :)



PokerStars Game #18694624194: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/07/09 - 11:44:58 (ET)

Table 'Ortrud' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: mediacache ($9.30 in chips)
Seat 2: pampam1986 ($5.35 in chips)
Seat 3: ecko1896 ($13.35 in chips)
Seat 4: Akvant ($4.90 in chips)
Seat 5: JBartel333 ($5.60 in chips)
Seat 6: celticsoxpat ($12.80 in chips)

mediacache: posts small blind $0.05
pampam1986: posts big blind $0.10

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JBartel333 [2c 7d]

ecko1896: calls $0.10
Akvant: folds
JBartel333: folds
celticsoxpat: raises $0.10 to $0.20
mediacache: calls $0.15
pampam1986: folds
ecko1896: raises $0.30 to $0.50
celticsoxpat: calls $0.30
mediacache: calls $0.30

*** FLOP *** [Jh 4s Kh]

mediacache: checks
ecko1896: checks
celticsoxpat: checks

*** TURN *** [Jh 4s Kh] [Ah]

mediacache: checks
ecko1896: checks
celticsoxpat: checks

*** RIVER *** [Jh 4s Kh Ah] [2s]

mediacache: bets $1
ecko1896: raises $1 to $2
celticsoxpat: folds
mediacache: raises $3 to $5
ecko1896: calls $3

*** SHOW DOWN ***
mediacache: shows [Qd Ts] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
ecko1896: mucks hand
mediacache collected $11.05 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $11.60 | Rake $0.55
Board [Jh 4s Kh Ah 2s]

Seat 1: mediacache (small blind) showed [Qd Ts] and won ($11.05) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 2: pampam1986 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: ecko1896 mucked [Ks Kc]
Seat 4: Akvant folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: JBartel333 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: celticsoxpat (button) folded on the River






How should we rate his play? 0/10 for each street? For a total of 0/40?
 

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Re: Experience at crown - Part 2

red+black said:
I get TT and raise it up. He limped and called the raise. Flop J43 with two hearts. I bet 15, he calls. 2h on the turn, I bet 15, he min-raises. I'm like WTF? What on earth do you have? I call. Q on the river, I check, he bets 30, again I'm like WTF, I don't understand how you played the hand. I call.

What did he have? What are the possibilities? (For now, I'll leave this for you guys).
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Sounds like the possibilities are endless.
I guess QJ with one heart.
 
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let me reiterate this guy was an IDIOT.

I'd give him some credit if he had 2-3, 2-4, 2-5, 3-4, 4-5 etc
 
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Ricketts said:
He had ducks!
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He sure ####ing did. I was right in my read that he didn't flop a Jack nor any kind of draw.

He called 15 on the flop drawing to 1 clean out. ####ing stupid muppet.
 

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Had one of my best nights, not necessarily in monetary terms, but in sheer enjoyment. It concluded with one of the hardest calls I've had to make. It all started however with Carlton losing, I needed that. I'm 3 behind the leader who is a Carlton supporter, so that's +1 to me. But I've tipped Essendon too, so I'm guessing she tipped Brisbane, but I'm unsure whether tipping Essendon is +EV. So, back to poker, first hand, I sit down in the CO, post and get rockets. Woman raises to 8, I up to 18, she calls. 8 high flop, she bets 20, she only has 25 left, I make it 40, she folds.

I get QTss and limp in from MP (mistake). Flop T52 with two spades. SB checks, one guy bets 15, I raise to 40, SB calls, other guy folds. Turn 6. He checks, I bet, he calls. Blank river, he bets, I call, he has 43 for the turned straight. I wasn't happy.

I get 64cc and call a raise to 10, guy pushes for 38, one caller, I decide to call and go heads up. Flop A75 with 2 clubs, guy checks, I bet 40, other guy pushes for 40 more, I call. He has A5ss, all-in guy has JJ. Of course none of my draws come :mad:. I'm not happy. None of my draws are getting there, just one please, even it out FFS.

So I'm down 300 and go back to the cage for another 200. Asian guy gets to the table, sitting 4-5 seats from me. He gets it all in against my neighbour on a J665 board. Asian had JQ, neighbour has JK. Bang, bitch on the river. From that point on, Asian thought he was God. Raised almost every hand, bet every flop, we were all getting sick of him. So people are starting to play back at him. Guy next to him pushed 2-3 times after he had raised, he started getting some action, people tried to trap him.

He raises to 18, gets one caller, I get 64cc (again) and confidently pump to 40. Asian seems pained, of course I must have a monster. Other guy calls. Flop AK6 all hearts, I bet 40 again, other guy folds, I show my hand and eyeball Asian for a second or two so he knows I mean business. So I'm on the button and he makes his standard raise to 18 from early position. Two callers and I call with J8cc. Flop T95. he bets 60, fold, fold, I stare him down and call. Turn 7 :thumbsu:. LOL, he pushes all-in for 150 or so. I call. He didn't show but he implied that he turned two pair.

It's getting close to time (1:30am) and I'm talking with my new neighbour, a fairly shy inexperienced player. We're talking about the aggressive Asian, and we joked that maybe we could bust him again before they call time. Asian makes it 15 this time pre-flop, two callers, I call on the button with a quality hand, 43o. Flop: A64. I check, he bets 35, fold, fold, I call, hoping he'll check the turn or I catch a card that helps me. Turn: 7, he checks. That leads me to think maybe he doesn't have an Ace, so I bet 35 like he did. He calls. I find that odd, he should have folded. River: 3. He checks, I bet 35 again. he looks at me and waves his hands. He's all-in for 250 :mad: Floor comes over and calls Time (ie. instructs dealer to collect $5 from each player after the hand).

So I'm in a bind. What could he have given how he played the hand? Any 5 beats me. A3 beats me. Could he have A5? Could he even have 75/65/74/63 which all beat me? He looked confident, like he was dying to flip his hand over. There was a fair bit in the pot already, and I hit the worst card I could hit given that he's pushed the river. I stand up. I'm convinced he has the 5. He'd been raising UTG with A4s/A5s, basically anything suited, any Ace, he liked every hand. Now he's put me to the test. I tanked for quite some time, asked him what he had, mentally saw myself folding face-up. I looked down at my stack, peeled off 200, and told him the money doesn't matter that much to me. I CALL! And as I tend to annoyingly do when I call a jam (annoying to me), I flip my hand immediately to gauge a reaction. It's annoying because when I'm right, often the other guy mucks and I don't see their hand.

Asian didn't look happy, he looks at my monster 43o, and mucks what his neighbour told me was 10-6 sooooted! So I busted him twice, two of my most enjoyable hands ever, only because of how he was playing. I've now made back all of my losses from the past couple weeks.
 
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Thank you for your support. My good weekend has continued. Got into Crown at 5:30pm, paid $5 time, and walked out 30 minutes later $151 up :thumbsu:.

Went to the footy. Good game, we shat it in, I tipped us :thumbsu:.
 
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Fenech was playing 2/3 on a different table to me on Friday or Saturday night. Some one asked "Wasn't he supposed to be playing in the Main Event?"

I'm like, "Yeah, he didn't last to the end of the 2nd level!"

Starting stack 20,000, and he busts within 3-4 hours with the blinds at 100/200.

I think I could take him.
 
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Check out this bullshit. Playing 2/3 at Crown, I'm in Seat 9. Blonde chick in Seat 5 is away from the table and has missed one round of blinds.

Seat 8 busts, asks the dealer to lock his seat as he goes to an ATM to get some money.

We play out one hand. On the next hand, Seat 8 (away) gets tossed a missed blind button.

Floor guys tend to congregate in an area behind our table. One tall supervisor, whom I won't name yet, looks over, tosses in the missed blind and lock buttons, and tells the dealer to press for a new player. There is 1 person on the list. We're all like "WTF dude? He just busted and has gone to get some money." Supe says "That's the rules. One player can miss a blind, next player to miss a blind is a pick up!" So I ask what were his options, what could he have done to not be picked up? Supe walks off.

Seat 8 returns. I tell him he got picked up. He thinks I'm joking. Just then, new player sits down, unaware of the commotion. Supe can't be reasoned with. A pit boss comes over. We explain the situation, he backs up the supe. Seat 8 is incredulous and says he wants to lodge a formal complaint. After a while, some higher-up boss comes down, asks the dealer what happened, then apologises to Seat 8 and says that the Supe was wrong and will be spoken with. Seat 8 gets 3 free drinks after that and goes off to play on another table.
 
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red+black said:
Check out this bullshit. Playing 2/3 at Crown, I'm in Seat 9. Blonde chick in Seat 5 is away from the table and has missed one round of blinds.

Seat 8 busts, asks the dealer to lock his seat as he goes to an ATM to get some money.

We play out one hand. On the next hand, Seat 8 (away) gets tossed a missed blind button.

Floor guys tend to congregate in an area behind our table. One tall supervisor, whom I won't name yet, looks over, tosses in the missed blind and lock buttons, and tells the dealer to press for a new player. There is 1 person on the list. We're all like "WTF dude? He just busted and has gone to get some money." Supe says "That's the rules. One player can miss a blind, next player to miss a blind is a pick up!" So I ask what were his options, what could he have done to not be picked up? Supe walks off.

Seat 8 returns. I tell him he got picked up. He thinks I'm joking. Just then, new player sits down, unaware of the commotion. Supe can't be reasoned with. A pit boss comes over. We explain the situation, he backs up the supe. Seat 8 is incredulous and says he wants to lodge a formal complaint. After a while, some higher-up boss comes down, asks the dealer what happened, then apologises to Seat 8 and says that the Supe was wrong and will be spoken with. Seat 8 gets 3 free drinks after that and goes off to play on another table.
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What an absolute tool!
 
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red+black said:
One tall supervisor, whom I won't name yet, looks over, tosses in the missed blind and lock buttons, and tells the dealer to press for a new player. There is 1 person on the list. We're all like "WTF dude? He just busted and has gone to get some money." Supe says "That's the rules. One player can miss a blind, next player to miss a blind is a pick up!"
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Don Everest?
 
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Crown fined over 'short decks' (again)

http://www.theage.com.au/national/crown-fined-over-short-decks-20080731-3nqy.html

Crown Casino has been fined - again - for using decks with less than 52 cards. The three latest cases, including one this month, follow six cases last year. The three fines in February, April and July all related to incomplete decks - known as "short decks" - during games of Texas Hold'em Poker.--

While the casino watchdog, the Victorian Commission for Gambling Regulation, found the use of incomplete decks to be "human error by casino staff" and not intentional breaches, the penalties and the casino's systems for controlling such errors have been questioned.

"The penalties are certainly not stiff enough to force Crown to fix their systems," said the chairman of the Interchurch Gambling Taskforce, Mark Zirnsak. "If an error does occur from the dealers, Crown should be immediately stopping and reporting it."

Mr Cohen denied the penalties of between $1000 and $5000 were insignificant for a casino with a multi-million dollar annual turnover.

"We hope the penalties are educative, that Crown recognises that its employees need to be aware of their responsibilities," he said.
 
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red+black said:

Mr Cohen denied the penalties of between $1000 and $5000 were insignificant for a casino with a multi-million dollar annual turnover.
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Your'e f**king kidding me.. $5000 is practically an incentive to keep doing it. Do these people have any idea how a short deck game can be manipulated?
 
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^^ Actually it reminds me of the days when the pros used to routinely murder the tourists at Burswood playing two card Manila (which is played with a short deck).
 
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Id like to see everyone that has played at the table during those times given money back or some kind of compo... They could find these people if they were rorting the system, so they should be able to find them in a situation like this.

We had an APL free-league game in Perth I was tournament director for. Anyway, we did the drawing of a card to determine where everyone sits. And one of the cards (2h) didnt get returned to the deck. So the final table got played with 51 cards. And that caused a fair bit of trouble for a FREE GAME!!!!!

I wouldnt be happy if I made a call on something like a straight draw and a flush draw, and one of the cards that made both of those hands were missing...
 
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For those that don't know, film festivals are one of my hobbies. The Melbourne International Film Festival is on right now, and I always see about 10-15 films. This afternoon I saw Planet B-Boy:

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Anyway, then I went to Crown for a few hours of 2/3, four hours to be precise. I get JQss and raise to 15 from the hijack, CO calls, EP limper jams for 28. I quickly do the math and realise the betting is re-opened so I 4-bet to 75 and CO folds wired 10s. EP swears I have AA/KK/AK, flop KTx (CO would have flopped a set), anyway I miss and CO wins with 88.

Not too long after, I get two black Jacks and make a gay raise to 9 from MP. About 5 callers until guy to my right makes it 50 to go. I decide to get it in there and push for 202, of course everyone folds, my man calls. He has AQ, misses and I stack him for maybe 120.

I get AQcc and call a raise to 13, about 4 to the flop. Flop: Q44, I bet 30, woman pushes for 120, guy insta-calls, initial raiser folds, I was planning on calling to go heads-up, but I eventually and begrudgingly fold face-up. Guy had 54 sooted obviously, except woman had that beat with Q4 sooted. FFS!

Towards the end of my night, when absolutely nothing has been going right, I limp UTG blind. No one raises. Flop: Q-6-2 and I bet 4 cos I had 4 whites in my hand. That was enough to scare a few off but the SB and BB call, so it was a cheap flop and a cheap turn and I now have position. Turn: K. SB checks, BB bets 20, I say "Well you've got 2 pair!" and I decide to look at my hand for the first time. Should raise but I flat. Sly old SB check-raises and makes it 60 to go. BB calls. I'm like WTF is going on here? I know I'm ahead of BB, but does SB really have a set? There is a flush draw on board. I push for 260 total, SB insta-calls, I have him covered, BB tanks and I'm fairly sure he will fold (he has me covered), but he calls. River: 7d, bringing the flush, which I wasn't worried about.

Board: Q-6-2-K-7
SB: Q-2
BB: K-2
Me: K-Q :thumbsu:
 
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