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We ve had many aboriginal players and have one currently …thankfully they have not expressed such feelings
The statement from the club is a little underwhelming tbh but I suppose it's something whilst they work out how they really respond to this.
I've read it and I'm sorry, but looking at most these comments, social media response and even the article itself, Jeff cops most of the heat. Andrew Newbold doesn't even get a mention and he was president between 2012-2015, where Shannyn states most of the trouble happened. Why isn't Clarko copping as much? Shannyn mentions he didn't even bother to reply to her! Sorry, I just think it's wrong that Jeff is solely to blame and that "the insult" was the core of what made him leave.If you can’t even bother to read the article you don’t get a say here. The article is about more than a joke about jeans. Toddle off.
Funny how you can lose respect for posters in an instant. We are brought together by the mutual love of our club but this topic really has showcased ignorance and privilege that is astonishing.Isn’t the expression ‘old white guy’ racist? Much like old black guy would be. I just don’t see how one is supposedly better or worse than the other
I've read it and I'm sorry, but looking at most these comments, social media response and even the article itself, Jeff cops most of the heat. Andrew Newbold doesn't even get a mention and he was president between 2012-2015, where Shannyn states most of the trouble happened. Why isn't Clarko copping as much? Shannyn mentions he didn't even bother to reply to her! Sorry, I just think it's wrong that Jeff is solely to blame and that "the insult" was the core of what made him leave.
I can see why both sides would have the view they had about the jeans incident. But most of the issues seem to be prior to Kennett coming back, Kennett's comment and reaction at the meeting after being the final straw.Which is why Cyril, Shannon and the article point out that was the ‘breaking point’ not the whole issue. Which is the point that (not you) people saying ‘BuT iTs JuSt a JoKe aBoUt JeAnS’ are painfully missing because they can’t be bothered to take a couple of minutes to read an article.
That’s the way, wear your ignorance like a badge of honor.As much as Jeff can put his foot in his mouth at times, making a light hearted joke about someones ripped designer jeans warrants a role of the eyes at best. The Sunday Church ladies could heckle harder. Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.
As much as this is now being used to push Kennett out sooner, there also needs to a spotlight on the actions on those involved in the incidents prior and that includes club legends like Clarkson, Hodge, Roughead and Lewis (potentially Mitchell as well but i thought he completely stepped away from the leadership group) as well as others like Newbold
I agree with you but would add that you could make the same comments about every club in the league, every sporting competition in the country for that matter. Hell, let's face it, it's a reflection of the country as a whole. We have a long way to go in this country.Funny how you can lose respect for posters in an instant. We are brought together by the mutual love of our club but this topic really has showcased ignorance and privilege that is astonishing.
Time to look in the mirror. We have been a stealth racist organisation for the better part of half a century and the chickens have come home to roost. Removing Jeff is not the answer. It's systemic, part of who we are. I'm ashamed. No words.
Very disappointed in Silk's lack of leadership and action. I thought we were in better hands.
Is it possible to believe that Cyril and Shannyn were deeply hurt and entitled to their experience and opinon, but also not believe the Hawthorn footy club to have been nearly as toxic as is being painted by some?
The longest extant culture in the world. around 75,000 years. Anywhere else in the world it would be celebrated.I don't think much progress will be made until Australians in general understand and embrace Aboriginal culture.
No, it would be better. Jeff's always been loudmouthed, arrogant tosser. I'm sure he would not see the racist overtones in his comments. Then he makes it worse by saying this:If you didn't already love Cyril - sweeping Jeff from the club is as good as him running down a rebounding defender at a packed MCG.
Ian Silk is a board member of 5 minutes. These actions have occurred over many years before his time on the board. Are you taking the piss?Very disappointed in Silk's lack of leadership and action. I thought we were in better hands.
Ian Silk is a board member of 5 minutes. These actions have occurred over many years before his time on the board. Are you taking the piss?
the self professed knowledgeable ones in racism discussionsFunny how you can lose respect for posters in an instant. We are brought together by the mutual love of our club but this topic really has showcased ignorance and privilege that is astonishing.
Time to look in the mirror. We have been a stealth racist organisation for the better part of half a century and the chickens have come home to roost. Removing Jeff is not the answer. It's systemic, part of who we are. I'm ashamed. No words.
Which is why I’ve said, in two occasions in this thread now, that reading the article is important because it is an accusation against many club leaders including Clarkson and player leadership groups.
Where it comes back to Jeff is that there is a rather large contingent on here and in the greater public that want Jeff gone. That his comments were what finally cost us the end of Cyril’s career just add to the large number of issues those who want a new president have. That’s why he is a focal point - but as it relates to this article I think many are responsible and have questions to answer.
I just put him on ignore. Best feature of this site.Group think. Nice. Can you accuse me of virtue signalling next so I can complete my ‘ignorant campaigner who deliberately wants to miss the point’ bingo card.
Oh and to spare you the time because comprehension doesn’t sound like your strong point - the article is at pains to state there were far more issues at play and leaders to blame than just Jeff.