Traded Dan Butler [traded to St Kilda for #56]

[telsor]

Richmond have already indicated that Butler will be traded for a 4th or 5th rounder.

Where did they indicate that?

 

[DT_35]

A 30 year old with 'issue's that might come good for 2-3 years on $800k a year

Dont think i would be throwing a good pick at that , I think the saints are desperate to get him off their books if Hill trade happens

Lol why would we be desperate to get him off books? Our cap is no where near full even if Hill, Howard etc al come in, not to mention it’s only another year on his contract....

Butler 250k a year? you are delusional lol. He signed an extension in 2017 after a career best year, would be 400-500 probably at the lower end of that scale. With Richmonds cap tightness, they’d be desperate to let him go.

 

[Stealth69]

He hasn't had much of a chance at RFC, a very good handy play. We have been blessed with a handful of small running forwards
Would be stoked to get a 4th. 4th pick will be lucky, 5th about right, based on what was given for Ellis which was the biggest rip off, pick 39

On the Ratten (Saints) band wagon here, prove Caaaarlton wrong

 

[stfan]

A 30 year old with 'issue's that might come good for 2-3 years on $800k a year

You must have some great inside knowledge from somewhere. I have not heard anyone else state what the the salary package for Steven would be if he joins the Cats as expected.

Yes lots of rumours on the Saints paying part of Year One in return for a higher draft pick. But squat on what that figure would be.

I cannot see that if the Cats sign him that they will be offering him a 3 year contract that would be $800K for 3 years = $2.4 million. Only way would be if there were significant performance targets to be achieved to gain the higher cash. Much more likely is that Steven would sign a contract which is significantly less than his current contract, and significantly less than $800K.

My guess is that the Cats will offer Steven considerably LESS than his current contact to join them. It may, or may not, have a higher Year One figure of which the may, or may, not Saints pay a potion.

Steven is a risk yes. But his upside is enormous.

 

[THE_GUN]

You must have some great inside knowledge from somewhere. I have not heard anyone else state what the the salary package for Steven would be if he joins the Cats as expected.

Yes lots of rumours on the Saints paying part of Year One in return for a higher draft pick. But squat on what that figure would be.

I cannot see that if the Cats sign him that they will be offering him a 3 year contract that would be $800K for 3 years = $2.4 million. Only way would be if there were significant performance targets to be achieved to gain the higher cash. Much more likely is that Steven would sign a contract which is significantly less than his current contract, and significantly less than $800K.

My guess is that the Cats will offer Steven considerably LESS than his current contact to join them. It may, or may not, have a higher Year One figure of which the may, or may, not Saints pay a potion.

Steven is a risk yes. But his upside is enormous.

You dont need insight mate just listen to the radio as its been mentioned about a million times , There are 3 main things in the stevens deal that reduces his value
* $800k+ Salary
* Age
*Mental health

If you have not seen or heard any of this i suggest you get out from under that rock and see some sunshine

Your suggestion regarding signing a new contract is valid but it would be for the extension and not the initial year thats on the St kilda Tpp

 

[THE_GUN]

Lol why would we be desperate to get him off books? Our cap is no where near full even if Hill, Howard etc al come in, not to mention it’s only another year on his contract....

Butler 250k a year? you are delusional lol. He signed an extension in 2017 after a career best year, would be 400-500 probably at the lower end of that scale. With Richmonds cap tightness, they’d be desperate to let him go.

You clearly have no idea on how Richmonds cap works
Guns get the $$$
Cotchin.Martin,Rance,Lynch,Rance,Prestia etc
Mid tier get average salary
Soldiers get min Butler,Castagna,Baker,Short,Townsend,McIntosh Butler is very much 'just a soldier and on peanuts'

 

[DT_35]

You clearly have no idea on how Richmonds cap works
Guns get the $$$
Cotchin.Martin,Rance,Lynch,Rance,Prestia etc
Mid tier get average salary
Soldiers get min Butler,Castagna,Baker,Short,Townsend,McIntosh Butler is very much 'just a soldier and on peanuts'

Hahahaha oh dear

 

[THE_GUN]

Hahahaha oh dear

As i thought , Love your non contribution

 

[stfan]

You dont need insight mate just listen to the radio as its been mentioned about a million times , There are 3 main things in the stevens deal that reduces his value
* $800k+ Salary
* Age
*Mental health

If you have not seen or heard any of this i suggest you get out from under that rock and see some sunshine

Your suggestion regarding signing a new contract is valid but it would be for the extension and not the initial year thats on the St kilda Tpp

You seem a little confused as I am not discussing his trade price, but the contract value which you are stating will be $800K per year


It would seem while you may have heard, that you clearly have not understood.


From what you have stated it is also clear that you do not understand how contracts work.

Extension? Sorry he cannot play at the Cats on extended contract. His current contract only has one year to run, and if he swaps clubs that contract finishes then and there. Cats would need to sign him on a new contract. He cannot play at the Cats on his current contract.

If his contract is extended that means that he would be playing at St Kilda beyond 2020. If the Saints offered an extension they would offer less money than his current contract.



Ok you can believe that the Cats will sign him for 3 years on $800K. Everyone has the right to their opinion. Personally I cannot see the Cats being that foolish. The Cats may of course choose to offer him different amounts each year. They may or may decide that they will give him $800K in year one as a signing on fee (I doubt it). Personally I doubt that they would (unless as stated it had performance targets).


Remember too that it is Steven wanting to go to the Cat's. It is not St Kilda forcing him to go there. Part of the cost of him going there will be I would assume a lower contract than he has been on. Then again the Cats may be fools, but I doubt that.

As stated St Kilda may as part of a trade negotiation offer to pay part of Steven's YEAR ONE salary (ie $0 in any later years) which in turn would be done to have the Cat's offer an earlier pick than they would otherwise. If no better pick then if is traded to the Cats the Saints would most likely not take any of his salary. It is only the agreed portion that St Klda may pay that would go on the St Kilda 2020 TPP., and it certainly would not be the whole Year One salary amount

Steven can choose to play at the Cats. Saints will help him get there. But part of the consequence will be that he will have to take a hit to his remuneration package.

 

[THE_GUN]

You seem a little confused as I am not discussing his trade price, but the contract value which you are stating will be $800K per year


It would seem while you may have heard, that you clearly have not understood.


From what you have stated it is also clear that you do not understand how contracts work.

Extension? Sorry he cannot play at the Cats on extended contract. His current contract only has one year to run, and if he swaps clubs that contract finishes then and there. Cats would need to sign him on a new contract. He cannot play at the Cats on his current contract.

If his contract is extended that means that he would be playing at St Kilda beyond 2020. If the Saints offered an extension they would offer less money than his current contract.



Ok you can believe that the Cats will sign him for 3 years on $800K. Everyone has the right to their opinion. Personally I cannot see the Cats being that foolish. The Cats may of course choose to offer him different amounts each year. They may or may decide that they will give him $800K in year one as a signing on fee (I doubt it). Personally I doubt that they would (unless as stated it had performance targets).

Looks like you need to understand that Steven has the right to collect the $800k salary that has been signed by the Saints
Now if he is traded his new contract with the Cats if he is traded will include the $800k that he is entitled to if he selects to take it and the Saints will be paying part of that. Its very simple and gets done all the time as Richmond did with deledio

cant believe you dont get that , Your club will be paying a fair portion of his 2020 salary

 

[stfan]

A 30 year old with 'issue's that might come good for 2-3 years on $800k a year

Dont think i would be throwing a good pick at that , I think the saints are desperate to get him off their books if Hill trade happens

You seem to be confused. Here you are arguing that if he goes to the Cats that his salary is off the StKilda books.

Then in your other post you are arguing that the entire year one salary of $800K is being paid by St Kilda and will be included in the 2020 TPP. ie This means that it is on the St Kilda books if we believe your theory in your other post.

 

[THE_GUN]

You seem to be confused. Here you are arguing that if he goes to the Cats that his salary is off the StKilda books.

Then in your other post you are arguing that the entire year one salary of $800K is being paid by St Kilda and will be included in the 2020 TPP. ie This means that it is on the St Kilda books if we believe your theory in your other post.

I think you might be the confused person here
Its very simple really
If the saints want a good pick then they will be paying the majority of his salary but in the event they agree to let him go cheaply (which is what the cats want then you get him off your books which is how this conversation started initially

You wont get a top pick and cats paying his salary

 

[stfan]

Looks like you need to understand that Steven has the right to collect the $800k salary that has been signed by the Saints

Now if he is traded his new contract with the Cats if he is traded will include the $800k that he is entitled to if he selects to take it and the Saints will be paying that. Its very simple and gets done all the time as Richmond did with deledio

cant believe you dont get that , Your club will be paying a fair portion of his 2020 salary

Boy oh boy are you confused and are simply 100% wrong.

1/ Steven (nor any player) has no such right if he chooses to break/cease his contract.

LOL that you think that the person choosing to seek to cease or break a contract is entitled to anything.

Now if it was the club that wanted to cease the contract and was the party seeking to do so it would be a different matter. In the case it is Steven that has asked to be traded to the Cats. His idea, not St Kilda's.

2/ The reason why an incoming club may choose to pay part of the salary of an outgoing player has nothing to do with players rights, and only has to do with the outgoing club receiving a better trade deal.

 

[THE_GUN]

Boy oh boy are you confused and are simply 100% wrong.

1/ Steven (nor any player) has no such right if he chooses to break/cease his contract.

LOL that you think that the person choosing to seek to cease or break a contract is entitled to anything.

Now if it was the club that wanted to cease the contract and was the party seeking to do so it would be a different matter. In the case it is Steven that has asked to be traded to the Cats. His idea, not St Kilda's.

2/ The reason why an incoming club may choose to pay part of the salary of an outgoing player has nothing to do with players rights, and only has to do with the outgoing club receiving a better trade deal.

You clearly dont get it do you !! Or select not to understand as it doesn't suit your argument
Stevens is not breaking his contract he is contracted and will remain at the saints if not traded but for him to be traded to his desired club he will be traded with his contract entitlements intact if he so wishes as Brett deledio did when he was traded to GWS and Eddie betts will this year going to carlton
Now what portion the saints pay will be dependant on the cats.

Now let me also play your game " Ohh Boy oh boy you are so confused on how clubs pay for other clubs players"

 

[stfan]

I think you might be the confused person here
Its very simple really
If the saints want a good pick then they will be paying the majority of his salary but in the event they agree to let him go cheaply (which is what the
cats want then you get him off your books which is how this conversation started initially

Again, if we pay any of his 2020 salary that portion is included in the St Kilda Books in 2020.

If Steven gets $800K in 2020 as a Cat's player, then St Kilda will not be paying the majority of it.
Well not unless they did something silly like give us a low first rounder for him which will not happen.

You wont get a top pick and cats paying his salary

You do understand that I never said we would get a top pick for Steven? Just that if we pay part pf hos salary that we will get a better pick.

Ok, now you 100% change your tune and are stating what I said all along which is if we pay part of his salary in year one only we get a better trade deal.


You seem to have trouble sticking to the one train of thought.

 

[stfan]

You clearly dont get it do you !! Or select not to understand as it doesn't suit your argument
Stevens is not breaking his contract he is contracted and will remain at the saints if not traded but for him to be traded to his desired club he will be traded with his contract entitlements intact

100% wrong.

You are just becoming farcical now.

If he is traded his contracts ceases and he will sign a 100% new contract with the Cats.

I will not bother replying to you again as you are clearly in lalah land. Hopefully for Steven you get to draft the new contract and he gets $2.4 million for 3 years with the same contract entitlements as now.

The reality however will be a new contract with a lot more performance hurdles and total money less than he has now.

 

[THE_GUN]

100% wrong.

You are just becoming farcical now.

If he is traded his contracts ceases and he will sign a 100% new contract with the Cats.

I will not bother replying to you again as you are clearly in lalah land. Hopefully for Steven you get to draft the new contract and he gets $2.4 million for 3 years with the same contract entitlements as now.

The reality however will be a new contract with a lot more performance hurdles and total money less than he has now.

Dude if you really believe that after he is traded that the saints have no other financial obligation to contribute to his salary then you are truly in this La la land that you speak of.

Have you never heard of clubs paying part of an ex players salary ?

Please dont reply as i cant be bothered with your post any longer

 

[Gold Rocks]

What's the deal with Townsend? wouldn't mind him at EFC

Please take him

Not if Higgins was fit...

or Stack...

Our depth is so good

Odd situation. It’s almost as if Richmond know they are the best team in the competition and are happy to let their depth players finds home for lowly picks. Almost like a goodwill gesture. Sam Lloyd was the same. To them it’s not worth posturing over a late 10 pick upgrade.

Thats how it should be

Saints getting a great player, proven premiership small forward. I rate him highly unfortunately he just got pipped by quality smalls in our team.

Its a shame as he's a quality person at the club

Great pick up from the saint's for nothing.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Quite like Butler, and is a huge upgrade on any small forwards we currently have.

 

[THE_GUN]

Butler has the potential to be a very very good player but need to get his hunger back and do the hard things rather than the show'y things

 

[guruisatiger]

What's the deal with Townsend? wouldn't mind him at EFC

You could have got TOWNER last year for free ,as 16 other clubs could have as well
Probably be the same this year ,,,
Although I reckon Jacob will go back home to the giants
Or stay as a permanent vfl tiger

 

[Spanish_Fly]

Richmond have already indicated that Butler will be traded for a 4th or 5th rounder. That is the best case scenario. He is basically being traded for nothing to just get him off the Tigers books.

He will not be traded fora player, just a worthless pick.

Bytel was predicted to have been around pick 10 and slid due to concerns on his back injury. He is now 100% recovered and so a valuable asset. He certainly would not be traded for Butler. That is just fantasy stuff/

Sorry I havent seen the club say this, can you post the link please?

 

[Spook]

I would have Dan Butler at Hawthorn any day. Pick 54 or even 42 with a late rounds switch-a-roo (to us) as well.

 

[Tig017]

Looks like it's about to happen.

 

[Spook]

Looks like it's about to happen.

To where?