Domestic violence

[faible]

Smashing the all **** out of your partner every week for 30 years is one thing, but I'm surprised smaller incidences don't happen more. they probably do but just aren't reported.

What do you mean by smaller instances?

 

[LeakyValve]

What do you mean by smaller instances?

Yep.
That was a very odd post.
Maybe a lack of understanding of all what the nuances of DV can be.
You know. A bit of a slap across the chops if things have gone wrong at work.
Or the kids have left their bikes in the driveway again. Mum's fault. Deserves a serve.
That sort of thing.

 

[peetoo]

Yep.
That was a very odd post.
Maybe a lack of understanding of all what the nuances of DV can be.
You know. A bit of a slap across the chops if things have gone wrong at work.
Or the kids have left their bikes in the driveway again. Mum's fault. Deserves a serve.
That sort of thing.

Ten slaps now, or five delivered at any time in the future?

Mental abuse can be just as bad

 

[MrsBlueSky]

Smashing the all **** out of your partner every week for 30 years is one thing, but I'm surprised smaller incidences don't happen more. they probably do but just aren't reported.

I know what you mean.
I reckon the murders from DV that happen nearly every week are the tip of the iceberg.
If there is a way of dealing with those smaller incidences then perhaps it will stem the flow.
Personally I think it's a generational thing and youngsters are getting a taste of violence in movies, news, books constantly.
They grow up and think violence is basically a normal way of life.
They see their mums being abused and belted and think that's normal as well.
Lock up the dads doing DV and teach the kids it's not OK and that would help.

 

[LeakyValve]

Ten slaps now, or five delivered at any time in the future?

Mental abuse can be just as bad

Yep.
That is what I was intimating by mum deserves a serve.
Be on your game mum or look out.

 

[evolved2]

I know what you mean.
I reckon the murders from DV that happen nearly every week are the tip of the iceberg.
If there is a way of dealing with those smaller incidences then perhaps it will stem the flow.
Personally I think it's a generational thing and youngsters are getting a taste of violence in movies, news, books constantly.
They grow up and think violence is basically a normal way of life.

It has been long speculated that media violence is directly related to violent behavior and perpetration of violent crime, such as intimate partner abuse [6, 14,33, 50]. However, research has found very weak evidence demonstrating a correlation between exposure to media violence and crime, with Pearson’s r correlations of less than 0.4 being indicated in most studies in this area [2, 21, 22, 64, 65, 85]. In fact, Savage [64] determined that exposure to violent activities through the media does not have a statistically significant relationship with crime perpetration. Likewise, Ferguson and colleagues’ [21, 22] work supported these findings, indicating that “exposure to television [violence] and video game violence were not significant predictors of violent crime” [21] (p. 396).

They see their mums being abused and belted and think that's normal as well.
Lock up the dads doing DV and teach the kids it's not OK and that would help.

There are several risk factors that increase an individual’s likelihood of perpetrating domestic violence. Individuals who witnessed domestic violence between their parents [1, 17, 44, 49, 61, 73], or were abused as children themselves [32, 44, 68, 71, 79, 81], are more likely to perpetrate domestic violence than individuals who did not witness or experience such abuse. Research has found men who witnessed abuse between their parents had higher risk ratios for committing intimate partner violence themselves [61] and were more likely to engage in such violence [49], than men who did not witness such violence as children. Research has also shown that male adolescents who witnessed mother-to-father violence were more likely to engage in dating violence themselves [73]. Similarly, scholars have found women who witnessed intimate partner violence between their parents were over 1.5 times more likely to engage in such violence themselves [49], and adolescent girls were more likely to engage in dating violence when they witnessed violence between their parents [73]. Child abuse victims were more likely to perpetrate intimate partner violence as they aged, with 23-year-olds demonstrating a significant relationship compared to 21-year-olds [44], and males who identified as child abuse victims were found to be four times more likely to engage in such violence than males who had no history of such abuse [49]. Overall, both males and females who experienced child-family violence3 were more likely to engage in both reciprocal and nonreciprocal intimate partner violence [49].

Research has also found that being diagnosed with conduct disorder as a child or antisocial personality disorder as an adult, also increases the likelihood of domestic violence perpetration [7, 8, 17, 31, 45, 81], with antisocial personality disorder being a mediating factor between child abuse and later intimate partner violence perpetration [81]. Additionally, individuals who demonstrate antisocial characteristics during adolescence are at an elevated risk of engaging in domestic violence as adults [45]. Another key factor that influences domestic violence perpetration is having hostile attitudes and beliefs [5, 37, 48, 49, 70], with such attitudes being more of a predictive factor of intimate partner abuse than conduct problems [8]. Both men and women who approve of intimate partner violence are more likely to engage in or reciprocate such violence compared to those without such perceptions [49].

The Influence of Media Violence on Intimate Partner Violence Perpetration: An Examination of Inmates’ Domestic Violence Convictions and Self-Reported Perpetration

Research suggests that the representation of violence against women in the media has resulted in an increased acceptance of attitudes favoring domestic violence. While prior work has investigated the relationship between violent media exposure and violent ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[MrsBlueSky]

It has been long speculated that media violence is directly related to violent behavior and perpetration of violent crime, such as intimate partner abuse [6, 14,33, 50]. However, research has found very weak evidence demonstrating a correlation between exposure to media violence and crime, with Pearson’s r correlations of less than 0.4 being indicated in most studies in this area [2, 21, 22, 64, 65, 85]. In fact, Savage [64] determined that exposure to violent activities through the media does not have a statistically significant relationship with crime perpetration. Likewise, Ferguson and colleagues’ [21, 22] work supported these findings, indicating that “exposure to television [violence] and video game violence were not significant predictors of violent crime” [21] (p. 396).


There are several risk factors that increase an individual’s likelihood of perpetrating domestic violence. Individuals who witnessed domestic violence between their parents [1, 17, 44, 49, 61, 73], or were abused as children themselves [32, 44, 68, 71, 79, 81], are more likely to perpetrate domestic violence than individuals who did not witness or experience such abuse. Research has found men who witnessed abuse between their parents had higher risk ratios for committing intimate partner violence themselves [61] and were more likely to engage in such violence [49], than men who did not witness such violence as children. Research has also shown that male adolescents who witnessed mother-to-father violence were more likely to engage in dating violence themselves [73]. Similarly, scholars have found women who witnessed intimate partner violence between their parents were over 1.5 times more likely to engage in such violence themselves [49], and adolescent girls were more likely to engage in dating violence when they witnessed violence between their parents [73]. Child abuse victims were more likely to perpetrate intimate partner violence as they aged, with 23-year-olds demonstrating a significant relationship compared to 21-year-olds [44], and males who identified as child abuse victims were found to be four times more likely to engage in such violence than males who had no history of such abuse [49]. Overall, both males and females who experienced child-family violence3 were more likely to engage in both reciprocal and nonreciprocal intimate partner violence [49].

Research has also found that being diagnosed with conduct disorder as a child or antisocial personality disorder as an adult, also increases the likelihood of domestic violence perpetration [7, 8, 17, 31, 45, 81], with antisocial personality disorder being a mediating factor between child abuse and later intimate partner violence perpetration [81]. Additionally, individuals who demonstrate antisocial characteristics during adolescence are at an elevated risk of engaging in domestic violence as adults [45]. Another key factor that influences domestic violence perpetration is having hostile attitudes and beliefs [5, 37, 48, 49, 70], with such attitudes being more of a predictive factor of intimate partner abuse than conduct problems [8]. Both men and women who approve of intimate partner violence are more likely to engage in or reciprocate such violence compared to those without such perceptions [49].

The Influence of Media Violence on Intimate Partner Violence Perpetration: An Examination of Inmates’ Domestic Violence Convictions and Self-Reported Perpetration

Research suggests that the representation of violence against women in the media has resulted in an increased acceptance of attitudes favoring domestic violence. While prior work has investigated the relationship between violent media exposure and violent ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you for your responses. it was a lot to think about.
Can I ask you something.
The DV murders in Perth last Friday where the bloke went to a house where he thought his wife would be there to shoot her. But she wasn't and he shot the two occupants instead.
The bloke's daughter has come out strongly criticising police for failing to act, but his wife has been strangely silent.
I see this as being the potential of a watershed case.
Police say everything's fine, nothing to see here, done deal, get over it, period.
But the government could take some action.
Do you think the wife should come out of the woodwork and not only support her daughter, give some hope her dead friend didn't die in vain and stick the knife into the dead husband so to speak and add weight to this extremely unfortunate event that may send shockwaves into those who do SFA to stop the DV pandemic in Australia?

 

[evolved2]

Thank you for your responses. it was a lot to think about.
Can I ask you something.
The DV murders in Perth last Friday where the bloke went to a house where he thought his wife would be there to shoot her. But she wasn't and he shot the two occupants instead.
The bloke's daughter has come out strongly criticising police for failing to act, but his wife has been strangely silent.
I see this as being the potential of a watershed case.
Police say everything's fine, nothing to see here, done deal, get over it, period.
But the government could take some action.
Do you think the wife should come out of the woodwork and not only support her daughter, give some hope her dead friend didn't die in vain and stick the knife into the dead husband so to speak and add weight to this extremely unfortunate event that may send shockwaves into those who do SFA to stop the DV pandemic in Australia?

It's a horrible and difficult situation for the wife who would have been through considerable trauma from DV and probably feels responsible for the death of her friend and teen daughter (even though she shouldn't).

I don't believe it's fair to put any further burden on her. She's suffered enough.

Its an opportunity to look at what went wrong and why, especially given the current media and government focus on DV. Are police resources or training inadequate, are current laws not sufficient to protect victims, etc. This and other similar tragedies set off alarm bells with me - those closest to the perpertrators understood the urgency and danger of the situation, yet their pleas for help were ignored.

Wider Australian society wants to see changes made to limit the chance of this sort of thing happening again.

 

[skybeau]

That does not equate to 'accepted', I clearly alluded that would be expected.

There is a clear distinct difference between the two, but I'm not surprised you can't see that.

This is not a reasonable explanation of your accusation.

Lawdy. Oh well, guess I'm being reported. Maybe you can ask the mods to give me a beating and then not talk to me.

 

[MrsBlueSky]

Lawdy. Oh well, guess I'm being reported. Maybe you can ask the mods to give me a beating and then not talk to me.

That's right beat each other to death on the domestic violence thread!

 

[LeakyValve]

Thank you for your responses. it was a lot to think about.
Can I ask you something.
The DV murders in Perth last Friday where the bloke went to a house where he thought his wife would be there to shoot her. But she wasn't and he shot the two occupants instead.
The bloke's daughter has come out strongly criticising police for failing to act, but his wife has been strangely silent.
I see this as being the potential of a watershed case.
Police say everything's fine, nothing to see here, done deal, get over it, period.
But the government could take some action.
Do you think the wife should come out of the woodwork and not only support her daughter, give some hope her dead friend didn't die in vain and stick the knife into the dead husband so to speak and add weight to this extremely unfortunate event that may send shockwaves into those who do SFA to stop the DV pandemic in Australia?

You post "strangely silent" and "come out of the woodwork".
Nothing strange about it. Nothing secretive or furtive on her behalf.
Odd terminology.

 

[Northalives]

Well all I can gather from that is that you're a pessimist.

I'm not disputing the problems you've outlined here, none the less, you've highlighted them in a rather widespread this is how society is nature.

There's always, ALWAYS horrible personal stories REGARDLESS.

You portray it like a widespread dystopia, and that it is certainly not.

If anyone believed you they'd believe that every man and his son is willing to harm women, when that is very VERY far from reality.

It's not a case of being a pessimist or an optimist for that matter, it's just the truth of the matter.

If you don't mind me saying, you are going way over the top suggesting that I believe that every man and his son is willing to harm women. What I am saying is that we cannot keep going through life thinking that everything is going well and that somehow, violence is going to diminish of its own accord.

The first thing we must do is admit that there is a problem and the problem is getting worse my friend.

It's like the crap the Laura Tingle is copping for saying that we are a racist country. People who either don't want to believe it or find nothing wrong with supremacist thinking and actions are taking a meat clever to Tingle for telling the truth.

 

[Carringbush2010]

What I am saying is that we cannot keep going through life thinking that everything is going well and that somehow, violence is going to diminish of its own accord.

I never suggested or stated as such.

The first thing we must do is admit that there is a problem and the problem is getting worse my friend.

If you go through this thread and read my posts, you'll find I'm one to admit there is definitely a problem.

 

[Northalives]

I never suggested or stated as such.

If you go through this thread and read my posts, you'll find I'm one to admit there is definitely a problem.

Sorry my friend, I just took "If anyone believed you they'd believe that every man and his son is willing to harm women, when that is very VERY far from reality." as suggesting that I was fanatically and hysterically screaming that there is violence and potential violence everywhere we look.

I have absolutely no doubt that you are aware of what is happening in our communities and that you are greatly concerned, no doubt at all about that. I do feel however that you maybe don't really appreciate just how extreme the problem has become. I suppose I am speaking from a position where I am confronted everyday with the violence that emanates within our society because I am still involved in the public health sector and I find it very confronting and sad.

I have seen it increase alarmingly over the years so you'll have to excuse me if I sound rather overwrought by these occurrences.

It's good that we can discuss these things and get a range of views.

 

[peetoo]

So how is the problem getting worse when increasingly more seems to be being done to combat it?

 

[Northalives]

So how is the problem getting worse when increasingly more seems to be being done to combat it?

The problem is getting worse and until we wean people off drugs, including habitual alcohol use and the scourge of social media, then it will continue to get worse.

I and some my colleagues have spent countless hours discussing what practical things we can do to help alleviate this problem until we, as a society, start showing due respect for one another through longer term changes in attitude by modifying behaviour (see above paragraph).

Most of us are of the view that the every day "bobby", that is police officer, is not trained to attend domestic violence call outs/situations and as such, people in these dangerous situations tend to not call the police because nothing or very little is done.

I feel that we need, as a matter of urgency, to recruit and or train some existing police officers to specialise in domestic violence disputes/call outs. As it stands now, the police are loath to attend these situations and tend not to with potentially horrific outcomes as a consequence; maybe not immediately but quite certainly in the future.

This will hopefully, engender some feeling of security to victims and a feeling of being able to call for help without being ignored. Once these call outs have been effected and the occurrences been logged, the alleged perpetrators must be monitored, not as criminals but as potential criminals. If, in the opinion of the trained professionals that have attended and investigated the alleged domestic violence call out, if they consider that the alleged perpetrator needs assessing by a sociologist or that counselling is appropriate, then that is what must be undertaken. This of course has legal implications which need to be worked through so appropriate legislation is enacted whereby, the rights of the accused and the accuser are not violated.

If a person is deemed to be a danger after assessment, then a temporary restraining order issued by a magistrate comes into effect and an electronic ankle tag is fitted on the suspect until he or she, is taken before a court to answer charges or determine restrictions to be placed upon them.

This will all cost money but here is the thing: how important do we rate the issue of domestic violence and the horrific consequences as opposed to say subsidising private schools or franking credits for the ultra wealthy, tax cuts, etc etc.

 

[MrsBlueSky]

You post "strangely silent" and "come out of the woodwork".
Nothing strange about it. Nothing secretive or furtive on her behalf.
Odd terminology.

How odd that the potential victim is now saying nothing to the media when she had plenty to say to the police and her daughter, another potential victim, is left to do all the talking.
Very odd Leaky that you pick out a couple of things from my post and say there is nothing secretive or furtive on the wife's behalf when her husband has just brutally murdered her best friend in cold blood and the police aren't calling it domestic violence and the commissioner said all the policemen contacted and did nothing to stop this maniac were just doing their job.
I think you've got a leaky valve all right.

 

[faible]

How odd that the potential victim is now saying nothing to the media when she had plenty to say to the police and her daughter, another potential victim, is left to do all the talking.
Very odd Leaky that you pick out a couple of things from my post and say there is nothing secretive or furtive on the wife's behalf when her husband has just brutally murdered her best friend in cold blood and the police aren't calling it domestic violence and the commissioner said all the policemen contacted and did nothing to stop this maniac were just doing their job.
I think you've got a leaky valve all right.

I think drawing any conclusions on the wife's behaviour is likely to be pretty unfair and inaccurate.

She might be deeply traumatised struggling to process what her husband did to her best friend and be in no shape whatsoever to talk to anyone, let alone the public.

Why must she come forward? The daughter didn't need to, she very bravely has, but that's her choice.

 

[MrsBlueSky]

I think drawing any conclusions on the wife's behaviour is likely to be pretty unfair and inaccurate.

She might be deeply traumatised struggling to process what her husband did to her best friend and be in no shape whatsoever to talk to anyone, let alone the public.

Why must she come forward? The daughter didn't need to, she very bravely has, but that's her choice.

This is the time to come forward if you want something done about DV. This was a lady who was obviously going through it and now she has to listen to WA police rattling on about changing gun laws, when the real situation is is that they don't answer the phone when you ring them to tell them someones trying to kill them.
This is the time for that woman to come forward, put her big girls pants on and not let the murders of her two friends at the hands of her deranged husband to be passed over like what happens every four days on average.
That's just my opinion and if you support her for not coming forward then that's yours.

 

[faible]

put her big girls pants

I think this is extremely insensitive to victims of trauma.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Sorry my friend, I just took "If anyone believed you they'd believe that every man and his son is willing to harm women, when that is very VERY far from reality." as suggesting that I was fanatically and hysterically screaming that there is violence and potential violence everywhere we look.

I have absolutely no doubt that you are aware of what is happening in our communities and that you are greatly concerned, no doubt at all about that. I do feel however that you maybe don't really appreciate just how extreme the problem has become. I suppose I am speaking from a position where I am confronted everyday with the violence that emanates within our society because I am still involved in the public health sector and I find it very confronting and sad.

I have seen it increase alarmingly over the years so you'll have to excuse me if I sound rather overwrought by these occurrences.

It's good that we can discuss these things and get a range of views.

Well this is in reply to your post 226.

Where you allude issues such as the web stealthily turning human kind against each other, like some sort of conspiracy and then equate that to part of the problem of DV.

Apologies if that is not what you were implying, but it was rather hyperbolic in nature, and certainly gave the impression of a conspiracy. Like a widespread societal problem.

I rightly suggested if such a conspiracy were true, then society would look much much worse, possibly anarchic.

I stand by that, you gave this impression in post 226 about society in general, not so much a concentration on DV

I agree with you in regards to DV, it's a huge problem and it certainly needs to be addressed. Do videos and games, and the web contribute to that? Certainly does.

But let's not pretend that the web and video games etc. are at an anarchic level and a societal threat, which you originally alluded in your post 226.

 

[evolved2]

The problem is getting worse and until we wean people off drugs, including habitual alcohol use and the scourge of social media, then it will continue to get worse.

I and some my colleagues have spent countless hours discussing what practical things we can do to help alleviate this problem until we, as a society, start showing due respect for one another through longer term changes in attitude by modifying behaviour (see above paragraph).

Most of us are of the view that the every day "bobby", that is police officer, is not trained to attend domestic violence call outs/situations and as such, people in these dangerous situations tend to not call the police because nothing or very little is done.

I feel that we need, as a matter of urgency, to recruit and or train some existing police officers to specialise in domestic violence disputes/call outs. As it stands now, the police are loath to attend these situations and tend not to with potentially horrific outcomes as a consequence; maybe not immediately but quite certainly in the future.

This will hopefully, engender some feeling of security to victims and a feeling of being able to call for help without being ignored. Once these call outs have been effected and the occurrences been logged, the alleged perpetrators must be monitored, not as criminals but as potential criminals. If, in the opinion of the trained professionals that have attended and investigated the alleged domestic violence call out, if they consider that the alleged perpetrator needs assessing by a sociologist or that counselling is appropriate, then that is what must be undertaken. This of course has legal implications which need to be worked through so appropriate legislation is enacted whereby, the rights of the accused and the accuser are not violated.

If a person is deemed to be a danger after assessment, then a temporary restraining order issued by a magistrate comes into effect and an electronic ankle tag is fitted on the suspect until he or she, is taken before a court to answer charges or determine restrictions to be placed upon them.

This will all cost money but here is the thing: how important do we rate the issue of domestic violence and the horrific consequences as opposed to say subsidising private schools or franking credits for the ultra wealthy, tax cuts, etc etc.

Is there objective evidence that DV rates are getting worse?