Eagles draft performance over recent years

[Eddie_Sandbrah]

There's a lot of talk and resentment on here regarding the Eagle's poor drafting. My gut feel has always been that it's slightly under par, but nowhere near as bad as many people make out. It's very easy to spot a gun player who was taken 10 players after a player we choose than turned out less than average. It's very easy to say, "why didn't we take Chad Warner!?".

Historically, the footy community thinks some stupid shit. Just ill thought out surface level stuff that is easy to digest and repeat. We're starting to learn that because the #1 pick is unlikely to end up the best player, it's a stupid reason not to take the best player. We now know that taking outside mids in the top 10 is a mugs game. We also know not to spend top 10 picks on KPDs, as you can get them in the 20s and 30s. We know that most successful list profiles are built on an elite midfield taken at the top of the draft, a strong KPF or two, and the rest of the team are role players. We know the vast majority of players will play well in good sides, but poorly in bad sides.

We know the rough percentages of draft success. The chances of finding that A+ player is way higher in the top 5 than anywhere else. But what about later in the draft? One thing that is really obvious, is that when you're using data sets of 10 or so drafts, you can see that the closer you move to the pointy end of the draft, the more likely you will find a better quality player. It's not perfectly linear, but fugg me if it doesn't look like a Christmas tree.

So if the top 12 is the Sunset Strip, laden with stars, then the rest of the draft is The Valley. An endless wasteland of shit with occasional gems. I could have split them up by rounds, but there's an obvious flaw in that, which is the huge gaps between the top 5, and picks in their teens. This is a much wider gap than a mid 20s pick and a mid 30s pick. So why did I choose 13? My gut says the number is somewhere between 13 and 15. I chose 13 because the Eagles have two fails in Brander and Venables and I wanted them included.

So about these numbers:

This is all drafts between 2009 - 2019, from pick 13 onwards.
I've graded players A+, A, B, C, and F. Some people may disagree with some rankings (it's hard to maintain a consistent base), but it's a case of swings and roundabouts.

The AFL average number of picks in this period is 43. All clubs hover around this except Suns (26) and GWS (29). I figure it is because these clubs had more picks in the top 12 than anyone else.

The AFL dud rate, which is a percentage of picks from #13 onward that end up being duds is 76%. So let's be clear here, you have a 1 in 4 chance of a player having a reasonable career after pick 12. All the clubs hover around this 76%. GWS and Hawks have a crazy good 55%, Sydney near as good with 56%, Fremantle good with 62%, and Gold Coast the worst with 88%. The stark difference between GWS and GCS can only be down to who sits in the seat. That campaigner at the Suns needs to go to Specsavers.

The average position of each clubs draft picks is similar. The AFL average number of picks inside 30, is 10. The outliers are Melbourne only 4, Hawthorn 7, and those greedy Lions had 17. There were only 7 A+ players out of a total of 776. Fremantle had two in Neale and Fyfe.

So how do the teams rank?

AFL Average
Avg. Picks	42.83
A+	7
A	32
B	89
C	89
F	559
Dud rate	76%
Average Pos	43.76
Avg. Inside #30	10

Warren Buffet Level

Fremantle

Picks	50
A+	2	Lachie Neale	Nathan Fyfe
A	1	Sean Darcy
B	3	Ed Langdon	Alex Pearce	Matt Taberner
C	13
F	31
Dud rate	62%
Average Pos	52.90
Inside #30	10

Sydney

Picks

43

A+

1

Luke Parker

A

3

Chad Warner

Jordan Dawson

Isaac Heeney

B

11

James Rowbottom

Tom McCartin

Darcy Cameron

George Hewett

Toby Nankervis

Aliir Aliir

Dane Rampe

Tim Membrey

Tom Mitchell

Alex Johnson

Lewis Jetta

C

4

F

24

Dud rate

56%

Average Pos

47.53

Inside #30

10

Rene Rivkin Level

Hawthorn

Picks	38
A+	0
A	5	Mitchell Lewis	James Sicily	Luke Breust	Isaac Smith	Bradley Hill
B	4	Marc Pittonet	Paul Puopolo	Will Day	Ryan Burton
C	8
F	21
Dud rate	55%
Average Pos	49.92
Inside #30	7

Melbourne

Picks	37
A+	1	Max Gawn
A	1	Jack Viney
B	5	Charlie Spargo	Bayley Fritsch	Alex Neal-Bullen	Harrison Petty	Jeremy Howe
C	6
F	24
Dud rate	65%
Average Pos	49.59
Inside #30	4

Geelong

Picks	52
A+	0
A	4	Tim Kelly	Cameron Guthrie	Mitch Duncan	Tom Stewart
B	5	Sam De Koning+	Gryan Miers	Lincoln McCarthy	Jordan Clark	Jake Kolodjashnij
C	3
F	40
Dud rate	77%
Average Pos	47.96
Inside #30	12

The Index

West Coast

Picks	45
A+	0
A	3	Oscar Allen	Jeremy McGovern	Jack Darling
B	3	Liam Ryan	Willie Rioli	Tom Barrass
C	4
F	35
Dud rate	78%
Average Pos	47.76
Inside #30	12

Adelaide

Picks	41
A+	0
A	3	Jake Lever	Rory Laird	Jack Gunston
B	3	Tom Doedee	Brodie Smith	Daniel Talia
C	2
F	33
Dud rate	80%
Average Pos	51.51
Inside #30	12

GWS

Picks	29
A+	0
A	2	Sam Taylor	Jack Steele
B	7	Brent Daniels	Devon Smith	Taylor Adams	Harrison Himmelberg	Jeremy Finlayson	Jake Riccardi	Aidan Corr
C	4
F	16
Dud rate	55%
Average Pos	46.52
Inside #30	14

Western Bulldogs

Picks	50
A+	0
A	2	Josh Dunkley	Tom Liberatore (F/S)
B	7	Cody Weightman	Ed Richards	Tim English	Bailey Dale	Caleb Daniel	Lachie Hunter	Liam Picken
C	5
F	35
Dud rate	70%
Average Pos	53.22
Inside #30	13

Brisbane

Picks	53
A+	0
A	2	Harris Andrews	Elliot Yeo
B	7	Keidean Coleman	Zac Bailey	Jack Crisp	Brandon Starcevich	Jarrod Berry	Eric Hipwood	Daniel McStay
C	5
F	39
Dud rate	74%
Average Pos	46.74
Inside #30	17

Mum & Dad Level

Collingwood

Picks	42
A+	0
A	3	Josh Daicos	Brodie Grundy	Jarrod Witts
B	2	Brayden Maynard	Isaac Quaynor
C	4
F	33
Dud rate	79%
Average Pos	56.05
Inside #30	8

Essendon

Picks	42
A+	1	Zach Merrett
A	0
B	4	Mason Redman	Kyle Langford	Jayden Laverde	Jordan Ridley
C	5
F	32
Dud rate	76%
Average Pos	51.00
Inside #30	10

Port Adelaide

Picks	40
A+	0
A	1	Todd Marshall
B	8	Miles Bergman	Mitch Georgiades	Xavier Duursma	Sam Powell-Pepper	Jarman Impey	Darcy Byrne-Jones	Karl Amon	Tom Jonas
C	5
F	26
Dud rate	65%
Average Pos	47.45
Inside #30	11

Richmond

Picks	46
A+	0
A	1	Shai Bolton
B	8	Jack Higgins	Noah Balta	Daniel Rioli	Jack Graham	Nathan Broad	Dan Butler	Kamdyn McIntosh	Brandon Ellis
C	4
F	33
Dud rate	72%
Average Pos	48.57
Inside #30	11

Nick Leeson Level

Carlton

Picks	44
A+	1	Patrick Cripps
A	0
B	2	Tom De Koning	Zach Tuohy
C	5
F	36
Dud rate	82%
Average Pos	54.61
Inside #30	11

Gold Coast

Picks	26
A+	1	Touk Miller
A	0
B	1	Charlie Ballard
C	1
F	23
Dud rate	88%
Average Pos	43.35
Inside #30	11

North Melbourne

Picks	47
A+	0
A	1	Nick Larkey
B	2	Ben McKay	Ben Brown
C	5
F	39
Dud rate	83%
Average Pos	48.47
Inside #30	11

St Rabble

Picks	46
A+	0
A	0
B	4	Jade Gresham	Blake Acres	Sebastian Ross	Jamie Cripps
C	5
F	37
Dud rate	80%
Average Pos	52.22
Inside #30	10

 

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Here's every pick, divvied up by club (for reference purposes)

Warren Buffet Level

Fremantle

58	2011	Lachie Neale	Fremantle	A+
20	2009	Nathan Fyfe	Fremantle	A+
38	2106	Sean Darcy	Fremantle	A
54	2014	Ed Langdon	Fremantle	B
37	2013	Alex Pearce	Fremantle	B
70	2013	Matt Taberner	Fremantle	B
61	2019	Michael Frederick	Fremantle	C
57	2018	Lachie Schultz	Fremantle	C
41	2106	Brennan Cox	Fremantle	C
66	2106	Luke Ryan	Fremantle	C
27	2015	Darcy Tucker	Fremantle	C
55	2015	Sam Collins	Fremantle	C
16	2011	Tom Sheridan	Fremantle	C
20	2011	Hayden Crozier	Fremantle	C
87	2010	Michael Barlow	Fremantle	C
100	2010	Matt de Boer	Fremantle	C
49	2009	Dylan Roberton	Fremantle	C
79	2009	Greg Broughton	Fremantle	C
13	2014	Lachie Weller	Fremantle	C
17	2018	Sam Sturt	Fremantle	F
32	2018	Luke Valente	Fremantle	F
59	2018	Brett Bewley	Fremantle	F
44	2017	Hugh Dixon	Fremantle	F
59	2017	Mitch Crowden	Fremantle	F
65	2017	Tom North	Fremantle	F
69	2017	Lloyd Meek	Fremantle	F
73	2017	Sam Switkowski	Fremantle	F
74	2017	Scott Jones	Fremantle	F
38	2015	Harley Balic	Fremantle	F
61	2015	Shane Yarran	Fremantle	F
34	2014	Connor Blakely	Fremantle	F
68	2014	Josh Deluca	Fremantle	F
17	2013	Michael Apeness	Fremantle	F
58	2013	Brady Grey	Fremantle	F
17	2012	Josh Simpson	Fremantle	F
37	2012	Tanner Smith	Fremantle	F
40	2012	Max Duffy	Fremantle	F
80	2012	Clancee Pearce	Fremantle	F
95	2012	Lee Spurr	Fremantle	F
29	2011	Alex Forster	Fremantle	F
71	2011	Cameron Sutcliffe	Fremantle	F
83	2011	Nick Lower	Fremantle	F
20	2010	Jayden Pitt	Fremantle	F
44	2010	Viv Michie	Fremantle	F
56	2010	Josh Mellington	Fremantle	F
109	2010	Alex Silvagni	Fremantle	F
112	2010	Jay van Berlo	Fremantle	F
36	2009	Joel Houghton	Fremantle	F
48	2009	Jesse Crichton	Fremantle	F
52	2009	Justin Bollenhagen	Fremantle	F

Sydney

40	2010	Luke Parker	Sydney	A+
39	2019	Chad Warner	Sydney	A
56	2015	Jordan Dawson	Sydney	A
18	2014	Isaac Heeney	Sydney	A
25	2018	James Rowbottom	Sydney	B
33	2017	Tom McCartin	Sydney	B
48	2106	Darcy Cameron	Sydney	B
32	2013	George Hewett	Sydney	B
35	2013	Toby Nankervis	Sydney	B
44	2013	Aliir Aliir	Sydney	B
90	2013	Dane Rampe	Sydney	B
47	2012	Tim Membrey	Sydney	B
21	2011	Tom Mitchell	Sydney	B
57	2010	Alex Johnson	Sydney	B
14	2009	Lewis Jetta	Sydney	B
44	2018	Justin McInerney	Sydney	C
21	2106	Will Hayward	Sydney	C
109	2012	Harry Cunningham	Sydney	C
38	2009	Sam Reid	Sydney	C
26	2019	Will Gould	Sydney	F
36	2019	Elijah Taylor	Sydney	F
51	2018	Zac Foot	Sydney	F
14	2017	Matthew Ling	Sydney	F
53	2017	Ryley Stoddart	Sydney	F
45	2106	Jack Maibaum	Sydney	F
51	2015	Tyrone Leonardis	Sydney	F
37	2014	James Rose	Sydney	F
38	2014	Jack Hiscox	Sydney	F
70	2014	Abe Davis	Sydney	F
15	2013	Zak Jones	Sydney	F
80	2013	Brandon Jack	Sydney	F
23	2012	Dean Towers	Sydney	F
45	2012	Harrison Marsh	Sydney	F
66	2012	Matthew Dick	Sydney	F
43	2011	Jordan Lockyer	Sydney	F
61	2011	Alex Brown	Sydney	F
85	2011	Nathan Gordon	Sydney	F
21	2010	Jed Lamb	Sydney	F
73	2010	Matthew Spangher	Sydney	F
101	2010	Mike Pyke	Sydney	F
54	2009	Byron Sumner	Sydney	F
55	2009	Trent Dennis-Lane	Sydney	F
90	2009	Kristin Thornton	Sydney	F

 

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Rene Rivkin Level

Hawthorn

76	2106	Mitchell Lewis	Hawthorn	A
56	2013	James Sicily	Hawthorn	A
33	2011	Bradley Hill	Hawthorn	A
77	2011	Luke Breust	Hawthorn	A
19	2010	Isaac Smith	Hawthorn	A
19	2015	Ryan Burton	Hawthorn	B
50	2014	Marc Pittonet	Hawthorn	B
66	2010	Paul Puopolo	Hawthorn	B
13	2019	Will Day	Hawthorn	B
29	2019	Finn Maginness	Hawthorn	C
52	2018	Jacob Koschitzke	Hawthorn	C
45	2017	James Worpel	Hawthorn	C
44	2015	Blake Hardwick	Hawthorn	C
59	2013	John Ceglar	Hawthorn	C
46	2009	Ben Stratton	Hawthorn	C
69	2009	Taylor Duryea	Hawthorn	C
70	2009	Matt Suckling	Hawthorn	C
57	2019	Josh Morris	Hawthorn	F
63	2018	Mathew Walker	Hawthorn	F
67	2017	Dylan Moore	Hawthorn	F
71	2017	Jackson Ross	Hawthorn	F
74	2106	Harry Morrison	Hawthorn	F
22	2015	Kieran Lovell	Hawthorn	F
31	2014	Daniel Howe	Hawthorn	F
49	2014	Teia Miles	Hawthorn	F
24	2013	Billy Hartung	Hawthorn	F
38	2013	Dayle Garlett	Hawthorn	F
71	2013	Will Langford	Hawthorn	F
29	2012	Tim O'Brien	Hawthorn	F
68	2012	Kaiden Brand	Hawthorn	F
72	2012	Michael Osborne	Hawthorn	F
38	2011	Jordan Kelly	Hawthorn	F
53	2011	Alex Woodward	Hawthorn	F
38	2010	Mitchell Hallahan	Hawthorn	F
55	2010	Angus Litherland	Hawthorn	F
39	2009	Sam Grimley	Hawthorn	F
57	2009	Jordan Williams	Hawthorn	F
58	2009	Rhan Hooper	Hawthorn	F

Melbourne

34	2009	Max Gawn	Melbourne	A+
27	2012	Jack Viney	Melbourne	A
29	2017	Charlie Spargo	Melbourne	B
31	2017	Bayley Fritsch	Melbourne	B
37	2017	Harrison Petty	Melbourne	B
40	2014	Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	B
33	2010	Jeremy Howe	Melbourne	B
32	2019	Trent Rivers+	Melbourne	C
27	2018	Tom Sparrow	Melbourne	C
33	2018	James Jordon	Melbourne	C
74	2018	Toby Bedford	Melbourne	C
57	2013	Jayden Hunt	Melbourne	C
53	2010	Tom McDonald	Melbourne	C
53	2018	Aaron Nietschke	Melbourne	F
56	2018	Marty Hore	Melbourne	F
48	2017	Oskar Baker	Melbourne	F
46	2106	Mitch Hannan	Melbourne	F
64	2106	Dion Johnstone	Melbourne	F
42	2015	Mitch King	Melbourne	F
46	2015	Liam Hulett	Melbourne	F
42	2014	Billy Stretch	Melbourne	F
53	2014	Oscar McDonald	Melbourne	F
40	2013	Jay Kennedy Harris	Melbourne	F
82	2013	Mitch Clisby	Melbourne	F
49	2012	Dean Kent	Melbourne	F
53	2012	Matt Jones	Melbourne	F
70	2012	Dean Terlich	Melbourne	F
73	2012	Daniel Nicholson	Melbourne	F
74	2012	Michael Evans	Melbourne	F
36	2011	Rory Taggert	Melbourne	F
52	2011	Josh Tynan	Melbourne	F
54	2011	James Sellar	Melbourne	F
50	2010	Troy Davis	Melbourne	F
81	2010	Jordie McKenzie	Melbourne	F
96	2010	Jake Spencer	Melbourne	F
18	2009	Luke Tapscott	Melbourne	F
50	2009	Jack Fitzpatrick	Melbourne	F

Geelong

24	2017	Tim Kelly	Geelong	A
40	2106	Tom Stewart	Geelong	A
23	2010	Cameron Guthrie	Geelong	A
28	2009	Mitch Duncan	Geelong	A
19	2019	Sam De Koning+	Geelong	B
15	2018	Jordan Clark	Geelong	B
57	2017	Gryan Miers	Geelong	B
41	2013	Jake Kolodjashnij	Geelong	B
66	2011	Lincoln McCarthy	Geelong	B
43	2106	Esava Ratugolea	Geelong	C
86	2011	Jed Bews	Geelong	C
40	2009	Allen Christensen	Geelong	C
16	2019	Cooper Stephens	Geelong	F
41	2019	Francis Evans	Geelong	F
50	2019	Cameron Taheny	Geelong	F
48	2018	Ben Jarvis	Geelong	F
50	2018	Jacob Kennerley	Geelong	F
65	2018	Darcy Fort	Geelong	F
68	2018	Jake Tarca	Geelong	F
74	2018	Oscar Brownless	Geelong	F
22	2017	Lachie Fogarty	Geelong	F
36	2017	Charlie Constable	Geelong	F
26	2106	Brandan Parfitt	Geelong	F
60	2106	Quinton Narkle	Geelong	F
68	2106	Timm House	Geelong	F
69	2106	Ryan Abbott	Geelong	F
59	2015	Ryan Gardner	Geelong	F
66	2015	Sam Menegola	Geelong	F
69	2015	Wylie Buzza	Geelong	F
70	2015	Matthew Hayball	Geelong	F
47	2014	Cory Gregson	Geelong	F
55	2014	Dean Gore	Geelong	F
59	2014	Jordan Cunico	Geelong	F
16	2013	Darcy Lang	Geelong	F
36	2013	Jarrad Jansen	Geelong	F
54	2013	Josh Walker	Geelong	F
63	2013	George Burbury	Geelong	F
16	2012	Jackson Thurlow	Geelong	F
79	2012	Brad Hartman	Geelong	F
94	2012	Jesse Stringer	Geelong	F
32	2011	Joel Hamling	Geelong	F
34	2011	Shane Kersten	Geelong	F
48	2011	Jordan Murdoch	Geelong	F
78	2011	Orren Stephenson	Geelong	F
15	2010	Billie Smedts	Geelong	F
37	2010	George Horlin-Smith	Geelong	F
54	2010	Jordan Schroder	Geelong	F
58	2010	James Podsiadly	Geelong	F
17	2009	Daniel Menzel	Geelong	F
42	2009	Nathan Vardy	Geelong	F
56	2009	Josh Cowan	Geelong	F
65	2009	Jeremy Laidler	Geelong	F

 

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The Index

West Coast

21	2017	Oscar Allen	West Coast	A
74	2013	Jeremy McGovern	West Coast	A
26	2010	Jack Darling	West Coast	A
26	2017	Liam Ryan	West Coast	B
52	2106	Willie Rioli	West Coast	B
43	2013	Tom Barrass	West Coast	B
35	2018	Bailey Williams	West Coast	C
36	2015	Tom Cole	West Coast	C
62	2012	Mark Hutchings	West Coast	C
29	2010	Scott Lycett	West Coast	C
49	2019	Callum Jamieson	West Coast	F
58	2019	Ben Johnson	West Coast	F
28	2018	Xavier O'Neill	West Coast	F
31	2018	Luke Foley	West Coast	F
39	2018	Jarrod Cameron	West Coast	F
32	2017	Brayden Ainsworth	West Coast	F
38	2017	Jack Petruccelle	West Coast	F
68	2017	Hamish Brayshaw	West Coast	F
37	2106	Josh Rotham	West Coast	F
77	2106	Jake Waterman	West Coast	F
28	2015	Luke Partington	West Coast	F
57	2015	Kurt Mutimer	West Coast	F
62	2015	Matthew Allen	West Coast	F
32	2014	Tom Lamb	West Coast	F
51	2014	Jackson Nelson	West Coast	F
66	2014	Damien Cavka	West Coast	F
76	2014	Alec Waterman	West Coast	F
31	2013	Malcolm Karpany	West Coast	F
49	2013	Dylan Main	West Coast	F
61	2013	Jamie Bennell	West Coast	F
85	2013	Simon Tunbridge	West Coast	F
46	2012	Brant Colledge	West Coast	F
61	2012	Adam Carter	West Coast	F
81	2012	Brad Dick	West Coast	F
23	2011	Murray Newman	West Coast	F
28	2011	Fraser McInnes	West Coast	F
63	2011	Ashton Hams	West Coast	F
62	2010	Jacob Brennan (F/S)	West Coast	F
78	2010	Lewis Stevenson	West Coast	F
84	2010	Callum Wilson	West Coast	F
93	2010	Andrew Strijk	West Coast	F
22	2009	Gerrick Weedon	West Coast	F
23	2009	Koby Stevens	West Coast	F
13	2017	Jarrod Brander	West Coast	F
13	2106	Daniel Venables	West Coast	F

Adelaide

14	2014	Jake Lever	Adelaide	A
86	2013	Rory Laird	Adelaide	A
29	2009	Jack Gunston	Adelaide	A
17	2015	Tom Doedee	Adelaide	B
14	2010	Brodie Smith	Adelaide	B
13	2009	Daniel Talia	Adelaide	B
43	2014	Mitch McGovern	Adelaide	C
83	2012	Rory Atkins	Adelaide	C
24	2019	Harry Schoenberg	Adelaide	F
28	2019	Josh Worrell	Adelaide	F
42	2019	Ronin O'Connor	Adelaide	F
48	2019	Lachlan Gollant	Adelaide	F
16	2018	Ned McHenry	Adelaide	F
30	2018	Will Hamill	Adelaide	F
64	2018	Lachlan Sholl	Adelaide	F
40	2017	Andrew McPherson	Adelaide	F
15	2106	Jordan Gallucci	Adelaide	F
44	2106	Myles Poholke	Adelaide	F
51	2106	Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	F
62	2106	Matthew Signorello	Adelaide	F
74	2106	Ben Davis	Adelaide	F
35	2014	Harrison Wigg	Adelaide	F
58	2014	Harry Dear	Adelaide	F
23	2013	Matt Crouch	Adelaide	F
46	2013	Riley Knight	Adelaide	F
76	2013	Kyle Hartigan	Adelaide	F
64	2012	Sam Wiggins	Adelaide	F
97	2012	Ian Callinan	Adelaide	F
27	2011	Sam Kerridge	Adelaide	F
41	2011	Mitchell Grigg	Adelaide	F
46	2011	Nicholas Joyce	Adelaide	F
64	2011	Cam Ellis-Yolmen	Adelaide	F
82	2011	Matthew Wright	Adelaide	F
89	2011	Aidan Riley	Adelaide	F
61	2010	Jarryd Lyons	Adelaide	F
82	2010	Ricky Henderson	Adelaide	F
97	2010	Matthew Jaensch	Adelaide	F
107	2010	Luke Thompson	Adelaide	F
45	2009	Sam Shaw	Adelaide	F
61	2009	James Craig	Adelaide	F
74	2009	Brodie Martin	Adelaide	F

GWS

28	2017	Sam Taylor	Greater Western Sydney	A
24	2014	Jack Steele	Greater Western Sydney	A
51	2019	Jake Riccardi	Greater Western Sydney	B
27	2017	Brent Daniels	Greater Western Sydney	B
16	2015	Harrison Himmelberg	Greater Western Sydney	B
85	2014	Jeremy Finlayson	Greater Western Sydney	B
14	2012	Aidan Corr	Greater Western Sydney	B
14	2011	Devon Smith	Greater Western Sydney	B
13	2011	Taylor Adams	Greater Western Sydney	B
14	2016	Harry Perryman	Greater Western Sydney	C
41	2015	Matt Flynn	Greater Western Sydney	C
29	2013	Rory Lobb	Greater Western Sydney	C
13	2015	Matthew Kennedy	Greater Western Sydney	C
65	2019	Thomas Hutchesson	Greater Western Sydney	F
56	2017	Zac Langdon	Greater Western Sydney	F
64	2017	Nick Shipley	Greater Western Sydney	F
20	2106	Isaac Cumming	Greater Western Sydney	F
54	2106	Lachlan Tiziani	Greater Western Sydney	F
58	2106	Matt de Boer	Greater Western Sydney	F
23	2014	Pat McKenna	Greater Western Sydney	F
14	2013	Cam McCarthy	Greater Western Sydney	F
95	2013	Zac Williams	Greater Western Sydney	F
97	2013	Jake Barrett	Greater Western Sydney	F
28	2012	James Stewart	Greater Western Sydney	F
85	2012	Sam Frost	Greater Western Sydney	F
99	2012	Andrew Phillips	Greater Western Sydney	F
56	2011	Tom Downie	Greater Western Sydney	F
79	2011	Setanta Ó hAilpín	Greater Western Sydney	F
87	2011	James McDonald	Greater Western Sydney	F

Western Bulldogs

25	2015	Josh Dunkley	Western Bulldogs	A
41	2010	Tom Liberatore (F/S)	Western Bulldogs	A
15	2019	Cody Weightman	Western Bulldogs	B
16	2017	Ed Richards	Western Bulldogs	B
19	2106	Tim English	Western Bulldogs	B
45	2014	Bailey Dale	Western Bulldogs	B
46	2014	Caleb Daniel	Western Bulldogs	B
50	2012	Lachie Hunter	Western Bulldogs	B
86	2009	Liam Picken	Western Bulldogs	B
28	2106	Patrick Lipinski	Western Bulldogs	C
48	2015	Bailey Williams	Western Bulldogs	C
107	2012	Jason Johannisen	Western Bulldogs	C
70	2011	Luke Dahlhaus	Western Bulldogs	C
22	2010	Mitch Wallis (F/S)	Western Bulldogs	C
53	2019	Louis Butler	Western Bulldogs	F
62	2019	Riley Garcia	Western Bulldogs	F
26	2018	Rhylee West	Western Bulldogs	F
37	2018	Laitham Vandermeer	Western Bulldogs	F
45	2018	Ben Cavarra	Western Bulldogs	F
78	2018	Will Hayes	Western Bulldogs	F
74	2017	Callum Porter	Western Bulldogs	F
49	2106	Lewis Young	Western Bulldogs	F
70	2106	Fergus Greene	Western Bulldogs	F
26	2015	Kieran Collins	Western Bulldogs	F
35	2015	Marcus Adams	Western Bulldogs	F
26	2014	Toby McLean	Western Bulldogs	F
27	2014	Lukas Webb	Western Bulldogs	F
39	2014	Declan Hamilton	Western Bulldogs	F
62	2014	Zaine Cordy	Western Bulldogs	F
42	2013	Matt Fuller	Western Bulldogs	F
60	2013	Mitch Honeychurch	Western Bulldogs	F
84	2013	Brett Goodes	Western Bulldogs	F
22	2012	Nathan Hrovat	Western Bulldogs	F
51	2012	Josh Prudden	Western Bulldogs	F
100	2012	Tom Campbell	Western Bulldogs	F
17	2011	Clay Smith	Western Bulldogs	F
39	2011	Michael Talia	Western Bulldogs	F
49	2011	Daniel Pearce	Western Bulldogs	F
57	2011	Tory Dickson	Western Bulldogs	F
73	2011	Matthew Panos	Western Bulldogs	F
74	2010	Jayden Schofield	Western Bulldogs	F
88	2010	Zephaniah Skinner	Western Bulldogs	F
89	2010	Tom Hill	Western Bulldogs	F
102	2010	Brodie Moles	Western Bulldogs	F
110	2010	Andrew Hooper	Western Bulldogs	F
15	2009	Christian Howard	Western Bulldogs	F
31	2009	Jason Tutt	Western Bulldogs	F
63	2009	Lukas Markovic	Western Bulldogs	F
76	2009	Shane Thorne	Western Bulldogs	F
92	2009	James Mulligan	Western Bulldogs	F

Brisbane

61	2014	Harris Andrews	Brisbane Lions	A
30	2011	Elliot Yeo	Brisbane Lions	A
37	2019	Keidean Coleman	Brisbane Lions	B
15	2017	Zac Bailey	Brisbane Lions	B
18	2017	Brandon Starcevich	Brisbane Lions	B
17	2106	Jarrod Berry	Brisbane Lions	B
14	2015	Eric Hipwood	Brisbane Lions	B
25	2013	Daniel McStay	Brisbane Lions	B
88	2012	Jack Crisp	Brisbane Lions	B
22	2019	Deven Robertson	Brisbane Lions	C
36	2018	Tom Berry	Brisbane Lions	C
24	2015	Ben Keays	Brisbane Lions	C
22	2013	Darcy Gardiner	Brisbane Lions	C
95	2009	Pearce Hanley	Brisbane Lions	C
33	2019	Brock Smith	Brisbane Lions	F
59	2019	Jaxon Prior	Brisbane Lions	F
21	2018	Ely Smith	Brisbane Lions	F
40	2018	Tom Joyce	Brisbane Lions	F
42	2018	Connor McFadyen	Brisbane Lions	F
55	2018	Noah Answerth	Brisbane Lions	F
41	2017	Toby Wooller	Brisbane Lions	F
43	2017	Connor Ballenden	Brisbane Lions	F
54	2017	Jack Payne	Brisbane Lions	F
23	2106	Alex Witherden	Brisbane Lions	F
24	2106	Cedric Cox	Brisbane Lions	F
55	2106	Jacob Allison	Brisbane Lions	F
71	2106	Corey Lyons	Brisbane Lions	F
39	2015	Rhys Mathieson	Brisbane Lions	F
47	2015	Sam Skinner	Brisbane Lions	F
44	2014	Liam Dawson	Brisbane Lions	F
65	2014	Josh Watts	Brisbane Lions	F
73	2014	Jaden McGrath	Brisbane Lions	F
81	2014	Josh McGuinness	Brisbane Lions	F
86	2014	Josh Clayton	Brisbane Lions	F
28	2013	Lewis Taylor	Brisbane Lions	F
33	2013	Tom Cutler	Brisbane Lions	F
34	2013	Nick Robertson	Brisbane Lions	F
62	2013	Jonathan Freeman	Brisbane Lions	F
74	2013	Justin Clarke	Brisbane Lions	F
24	2012	Marco Paparone	Brisbane Lions	F
33	2012	Michael Close	Brisbane Lions	F
101	2012	Niall McKeever	Brisbane Lions	F
47	2011	Patrick Wearden	Brisbane Lions	F
69	2011	Mitchell Golby	Brisbane Lions	F
25	2010	Patrick Karnezis	Brisbane Lions	F
28	2010	Ryan Lester	Brisbane Lions	F
32	2010	Josh Green	Brisbane Lions	F
65	2010	Claye Beams	Brisbane Lions	F
27	2009	Callum Bartlett	Brisbane Lions	F
47	2009	Ryan Harwood	Brisbane Lions	F
73	2009	Jesse O'Brien	Brisbane Lions	F
84	2009	Bryce Retzlaff	Brisbane Lions	F
91	2009	Matt Maguire	Brisbane Lions	F

 

[Eddie_Sandbrah]

Mum & Dad Level

Collingwood

57	2106	Josh Daicos	Collingwood	A
18	2012	Brodie Grundy	Collingwood	A
67	2011	Jarrod Witts	Collingwood	A
30	2014	Brayden Maynard	Collingwood	B
13	2018	Isaac Quaynor	Collingwood	B
45	2010	Alex Fasolo	Collingwood	C
76	2010	Paul Seedsman	Collingwood	C
91	2010	Jarryd Blair	Collingwood	C
74	2009	Josh Thomas	Collingwood	C
40	2019	Jay Rantall	Collingwood	F
45	2019	Trent Bianco	Collingwood	F
55	2019	Trey Ruscoe	Collingwood	F
29	2018	Will Kelly	Collingwood	F
77	2018	Atu Bosenavulagi	Collingwood	F
39	2017	Nathan Murphy	Collingwood	F
50	2017	Tyler Brown	Collingwood	F
30	2106	Sam McLarty	Collingwood	F
35	2106	Callum Brown	Collingwood	F
50	2106	Kayle Kirby	Collingwood	F
32	2015	Brayden Sier	Collingwood	F
58	2015	Tom Phillips	Collingwood	F
63	2015	Rupert Wills	Collingwood	F
65	2015	Ben Crocker	Collingwood	F
48	2014	Matthew Goodyear	Collingwood	F
65	2013	Tom Langdon	Collingwood	F
77	2013	Jonathon Marsh	Collingwood	F
87	2013	Sam Dwyer	Collingwood	F
92	2013	Adam Oxley	Collingwood	F
19	2012	Ben Kennedy	Collingwood	F
21	2012	Tim Broomhead	Collingwood	F
39	2012	Jackson Ramsay	Collingwood	F
96	2012	Marley Williams	Collingwood	F
50	2011	Jackson Paine	Collingwood	F
65	2011	Corey Gault	Collingwood	F
46	2010	Daniel Farmer	Collingwood	F
60	2010	Kirk Ugle	Collingwood	F
77	2010	Trent Stubbs	Collingwood	F
92	2010	Lachlan Keeffe	Collingwood	F
104	2010	Tom Young	Collingwood	F
30	2009	Luke Ball	Collingwood	F
62	2009	Ben Sinclair	Collingwood	F
85	2009	Simon Buckley	Collingwood	F

Essendon

26	2013	Zach Merrett	Essendon	A+
22	2106	Jordan Ridley	Essendon	B
30	2015	Mason Redman	Essendon	B
17	2014	Kyle Langford	Essendon	B
20	2014	Jayden Laverde	Essendon	B
66	2017	Brandon Zerk-Thatcher	Essendon	C
76	2017	Matt Guelfi	Essendon	C
74	2011	Stewart Crameri	Essendon	C
24	2009	Jake Carlisle	Essendon	C
26	2009	Travis Colyer	Essendon	C
30	2019	Harrison Jones	Essendon	F
38	2019	Nick Bryan	Essendon	F
56	2019	Ned Cahill	Essendon	F
63	2019	Lachlan Johnson	Essendon	F
38	2018	Irving Mosquito	Essendon	F
60	2018	Noah Gown	Essendon	F
72	2018	Brayden Ham	Essendon	F
49	2017	Jordan Houlahan	Essendon	F
31	2106	Josh Begley	Essendon	F
42	2106	Kobe Mutch	Essendon	F
63	2106	Dylan Clarke	Essendon	F
29	2015	Alex Morgan	Essendon	F
54	2015	Mitch Brown	Essendon	F
64	2015	Yestin Eades	Essendon	F
68	2015	Michael Hartley	Essendon	F
55	2013	Orazio Fantasia	Essendon	F
64	2013	Lauchlan Dalgleish	Essendon	F
35	2012	Jason Ashby	Essendon	F
52	2012	Dylan Van Unen	Essendon	F
55	2012	Martin Gleeson	Essendon	F
74	2012	Nicholas Kommer	Essendon	F
90	2012	Sean Gregory	Essendon	F
108	2012	Mark Baguley	Essendon	F
19	2011	Elliott Kavanagh	Essendon	F
31	2011	Jackson Merrett	Essendon	F
59	2011	Nick O'Brien	Essendon	F
31	2010	Ariel Steinberg	Essendon	F
48	2010	Alex Browne	Essendon	F
64	2010	Luke Davis	Essendon	F
80	2010	Michael Ross	Essendon	F
106	2010	Ben Howlett	Essendon	F
33	2009	Anthony Long	Essendon	F

Port Adelaide

16	2106	Todd Marshall	Port Adelaide	A
14	2019	Miles Bergman	Port Adelaide	B
18	2019	Mitch Georgiades	Port Adelaide	B
18	2018	Xavier Duursma	Port Adelaide	B
18	2106	Sam Powell-Pepper	Port Adelaide	B
21	2013	Jarman Impey	Port Adelaide	B
52	2013	Darcy Byrne-Jones	Port Adelaide	B
68	2013	Karl Amon	Port Adelaide	B
87	2012	Tom Jonas	Port Adelaide	B
47	2017	Sam Hayes	Port Adelaide	C
51	2017	Kane Farrell	Port Adelaide	C
37	2015	Riley Bonner	Port Adelaide	C
56	2014	Dougal Howard	Port Adelaide	C
30	2012	Tom Clurey	Port Adelaide	C
23	2019	Dylan Williams	Port Adelaide	F
25	2019	Jackson Mead	Port Adelaide	F
73	2018	Riley Grundy	Port Adelaide	F
76	2018	Boyd Woodcock	Port Adelaide	F
58	2017	Jake Patmore	Port Adelaide	F
60	2017	Joel Garner	Port Adelaide	F
61	2017	Dom Barry	Port Adelaide	F
32	2106	Joe Atley	Port Adelaide	F
33	2106	Willem Drew	Port Adelaide	F
45	2015	Aidyn Johnson	Port Adelaide	F
69	2014	Logan Austin	Port Adelaide	F
78	2014	Jesse Palmer	Port Adelaide	F
84	2014	Billy Frampton	Port Adelaide	F
45	2013	Mitchell Harvey	Port Adelaide	F
31	2012	Mason Shaw	Port Adelaide	F
45	2011	Brendon Ah Chee	Port Adelaide	F
51	2011	Nathan Blee	Port Adelaide	F
16	2010	Ben Jacobs	Port Adelaide	F
35	2010	Ben Newton	Port Adelaide	F
36	2010	Aaron Young	Port Adelaide	F
52	2010	Cam O'Shea	Port Adelaide	F
68	2010	Cameron Hitchcock	Port Adelaide	F
83	2010	Danny Meyer	Port Adelaide	F
16	2009	Jasper McMillan-Pittard	Port Adelaide	F
82	2009	Daniel Stewart	Port Adelaide	F
88	2009	Wade Thompson	Port Adelaide	F

Richmond

29	2106	Shai Bolton	Richmond	A
17	2017	Jack Higgins	Richmond	B
25	2017	Noah Balta	Richmond	B
53	2106	Jack Graham	Richmond	B
15	2015	Daniel Rioli	Richmond	B
67	2015	Nathan Broad	Richmond	B
67	2014	Dan Butler	Richmond	B
32	2012	Kamdyn McIntosh	Richmond	B
15	2011	Brandon Ellis	Richmond	B
43	2018	Jack Ross	Richmond	C
50	2015	Oleg Markov	Richmond	C
35	2009	David Astbury	Richmond	C
89	2009	Robin Nahas	Richmond	C
21	2019	Thomson Dow	Richmond	F
43	2019	Noah Cumberland	Richmond	F
44	2019	Will Martyn	Richmond	F
46	2019	Hugo Ralphsmith	Richmond	F
54	2019	Bigoa Nyuon	Richmond	F
20	2018	Riley Collier-Dawkins	Richmond	F
58	2018	Fraser Turner	Richmond	F
62	2018	Luke English	Richmond	F
20	2017	Callum Coleman-Jones	Richmond	F
34	2017	Patrick Naish	Richmond	F
63	2017	Ben Miller	Richmond	F
72	2106	Ryan Garthwaite	Richmond	F
33	2014	Connor Menadue	Richmond	F
52	2014	Nathan Drummond	Richmond	F
77	2014	Reece McKenzie	Richmond	F
50	2013	Nathan Gordon	Richmond	F
66	2013	Sam Lloyd	Richmond	F
93	2013	Ricky Petterd	Richmond	F
34	2012	Liam McBean	Richmond	F
43	2012	Matthew McDonough	Richmond	F
26	2011	Todd Elton	Richmond	F
55	2011	Matthew Arnot	Richmond	F
30	2010	Jake Batchelor	Richmond	F
47	2010	Bradley Helbig	Richmond	F
51	2010	Dean MacDonald	Richmond	F
63	2010	Tom Derickx	Richmond	F
94	2010	David Gourdis	Richmond	F
19	2009	Benjamin Griffiths	Richmond	F
44	2009	Matthew Dea	Richmond	F
51	2009	Troy Taylor	Richmond	F
67	2009	Jeromey Webberley	Richmond	F
71	2009	Ben Nason	Richmond	F
94	2009	Andrew Browne	Richmond	F

 

[Eddie_Sandbrah]

Nick Leeson Level

Carlton

13	2013	Patrick Cripps	Carlton	A+
30	2017	Tom De Koning	Carlton	B
104	2012	Zach Tuohy	Carlton	B
53	2015	Jack Silvagni	Carlton	C
89	2013	Ed Curnow	Carlton	C
91	2012	Levi Casboult	Carlton	C
85	2010	Jeff Garlett	Carlton	C
72	2009	Sam Jacobs	Carlton	C
17	2019	Brodie Kemp	Carlton	F
20	2019	Sam Philp	Carlton	F
47	2019	Sam Ramsay	Carlton	F
19	2018	Liam Stocker	Carlton	F
66	2018	Finbar O'Dwyer	Carlton	F
70	2018	Ben Silvagni	Carlton	F
70	2017	Angus Schumacher	Carlton	F
78	2017	Jarrod Garlett	Carlton	F
27	2106	Zac Fisher	Carlton	F
47	2106	Harrison Macreadie	Carlton	F
59	2106	Cameron Polson	Carlton	F
61	2106	Tom Williamson	Carlton	F
65	2106	Pat Kerr	Carlton	F
23	2015	David Cuningham	Carlton	F
19	2014	Blaine Boekhorst	Carlton	F
28	2014	Dillon Viojo-Rainbow	Carlton	F
60	2014	Clem Smith	Carlton	F
63	2014	Jayden Foster	Carlton	F
39	2013	Cameron Giles	Carlton	F
51	2013	Nick Holman	Carlton	F
94	2013	Tom Bell	Carlton	F
36	2012	Tom Temay	Carlton	F
56	2012	Nick Graham	Carlton	F
22	2011	Josh Bootsma	Carlton	F
44	2011	Sam Rowe	Carlton	F
62	2011	Dylan Buckley	Carlton	F
18	2010	Matthew Watson	Carlton	F
34	2010	Patrick McCarthy	Carlton	F
42	2010	Luke Mitchell	Carlton	F
67	2010	Andrew McInnes	Carlton	F
70	2010	Nicholas Duigan	Carlton	F
99	2010	David Ellard	Carlton	F
108	2010	Simon White	Carlton	F
43	2009	Marcus Davies	Carlton	F
59	2009	Rohan Kerr	Carlton	F
83	2009	Aaron Joseph	Carlton	F

Gold Coast

29	2014	Touk Miller	Gold Coast	A+
42	2017	Charlie Ballard	Gold Coast	B
19	2017	Wil Powell	Gold Coast	C
27	2019	Jeremy Sharp	Gold Coast	F
60	2019	Jy Farrar	Gold Coast	F
23	2018	Jez McLennan	Gold Coast	F
71	2018	Caleb Graham	Gold Coast	F
52	2017	Brayden Crossley	Gold Coast	F
55	2017	Connor Nutting	Gold Coast	F
67	2106	Brad Scheer	Gold Coast	F
20	2015	Brayden Fiorini	Gold Coast	F
34	2015	Josh Schoenfeld	Gold Coast	F
52	2015	Mackenzie Willis	Gold Coast	F
15	2014	Jarrod Garlett	Gold Coast	F
20	2013	Jack Leslie	Gold Coast	F
27	2013	Sean Lemmens	Gold Coast	F
57	2012	Tim Sumner	Gold Coast	F
60	2012	Clay Cameron	Gold Coast	F
24	2011	Henry Schade	Gold Coast	F
80	2011	Alik Magin	Gold Coast	F
88	2011	Alex Sexton	Gold Coast	F
91	2011	Jackson Allen	Gold Coast	F
39	2010	Jeremy Taylor	Gold Coast	F
49	2010	Jacob Gillbee	Gold Coast	F
13	2012	Jesse Lonergan	Gold Coast	F
13	2010	Seb Tape	Gold Coast	F

North Melbourne

73	2106	Nick Larkey	North Melbourne	A
21	2015	Ben McKay	North Melbourne	B
47	2013	Ben Brown	North Melbourne	B
46	2018	Curtis Taylor	North Melbourne	C
49	2018	Bailey Scott	North Melbourne	C
42	2012	Mason Wood	North Melbourne	C
17	2010	Shaun Atley	North Melbourne	C
25	2009	Aaron Black	North Melbourne	C
31	2019	Charlie Comben	North Melbourne	F
34	2019	Jack Mahony	North Melbourne	F
35	2019	Flynn Perez	North Melbourne	F
69	2018	Joel Crocker	North Melbourne	F
23	2017	Will Walker	North Melbourne	F
62	2017	Kyron Hayden	North Melbourne	F
72	2017	Tristan Xerri	North Melbourne	F
77	2017	Billy Hartung	North Melbourne	F
34	2106	Declan Watson	North Melbourne	F
36	2106	Josh Williams	North Melbourne	F
31	2015	Ryan Clarke	North Melbourne	F
33	2015	Mitchell Hibberd	North Melbourne	F
43	2015	Corey Wagner	North Melbourne	F
60	2015	Declan Mountford	North Melbourne	F
16	2014	Sam Durdin	North Melbourne	F
25	2014	Daniel Nielson	North Melbourne	F
36	2014	Ed Vickers-Willis	North Melbourne	F
30	2013	Trent Dumont	North Melbourne	F
15	2012	Taylor Garner	North Melbourne	F
38	2012	Ben Jacobs	North Melbourne	F
48	2012	Mitchell Wilkins	North Melbourne	F
58	2012	Daniel Currie	North Melbourne	F
63	2012	Taylor Hine	North Melbourne	F
78	2012	Sam Gibson	North Melbourne	F
93	2012	Aaron Mullett	North Melbourne	F
105	2012	Majak Daw	North Melbourne	F
18	2011	Brad McKenzie	North Melbourne	F
40	2011	Tom Curran	North Melbourne	F
74	2011	Luke Delaney	North Melbourne	F
84	2011	Cameron Pedersen	North Melbourne	F
27	2010	Kieran Harper	North Melbourne	F
69	2010	Cameron Delaney	North Melbourne	F
71	2010	Ben Mabon	North Melbourne	F
98	2010	Ben Speight	North Melbourne	F
21	2009	Ryan Bastinac	North Melbourne	F
37	2009	Jamie MacMillan	North Melbourne	F
41	2009	Ayden Kennedy	North Melbourne	F
53	2009	Brayden Norris	North Melbourne	F
80	2009	Cruize Garlett	North Melbourne	F

St Kilda

18	2015	Jade Gresham	St Kilda	B
19	2013	Blake Acres	St Kilda	B
25	2011	Sebastian Ross	St Kilda	B
24	2010	Jamie Cripps	St Kilda	B
54	2018	Nick Hind	St Kilda	C
39	2106	Josh Battle	St Kilda	C
37	2011	Jack Newnes	St Kilda	C
42	2011	Jimmy Webster	St Kilda	C
87	2009	Zac Dawson	St Kilda	C
52	2019	Ryan Byrnes	St Kilda	F
64	2019	Leo Connolly	St Kilda	F
41	2018	Jack Bytel	St Kilda	F
47	2018	Matthew Parker	St Kilda	F
67	2018	Robbie Young	St Kilda	F
35	2017	Oscar Clavarino	St Kilda	F
46	2017	Ben Paton	St Kilda	F
25	2106	Ben Long	St Kilda	F
56	2106	Ed Phillips	St Kilda	F
40	2015	Brandon White	St Kilda	F
49	2015	Bailey Rice	St Kilda	F
21	2014	Hugh Goddard	St Kilda	F
22	2014	Daniel McKenzie	St Kilda	F
41	2014	Jack Lonie	St Kilda	F
18	2013	Luke Dunstan	St Kilda	F
83	2013	Tom Curren	St Kilda	F
25	2012	Nathan Wright	St Kilda	F
26	2012	Spencer White	St Kilda	F
41	2012	Brodie Murdoch	St Kilda	F
44	2012	Josh Saunders	St Kilda	F
77	2012	Lewis Pierce	St Kilda	F
92	2012	Sam Dunell	St Kilda	F
35	2011	Daniel Markworth	St Kilda	F
60	2011	Jay Lever	St Kilda	F
68	2011	Beau Maister[nb 1]	St Kilda	F
76	2011	Jason Blake	St Kilda	F
43	2010	Sam Crocker	St Kilda	F
59	2010	Tom Ledger	St Kilda	F
74	2010	Arryn Siposs	St Kilda	F
90	2010	Ryan Gamble	St Kilda	F
103	2010	Dean Polo	St Kilda	F
111	2010	Tom Simpkin	St Kilda	F
32	2009	Nicholas Winmar	St Kilda	F
60	2009	Jesse W. Smith	St Kilda	F
64	2009	Adam Pattison	St Kilda	F
77	2009	Will Johnson	St Kilda	F
93	2009	Luke Miles	St Kilda	F

 

[Eddie_Sandbrah]

A few takeaways:

• I wasn't at all surprised that 75% of all players draft after 12, fail
• Fremantle surprised me. During that 11 year period, they drafted better than anyone after pick 12. No flags though.
• I'm surprised we're in the bunch 5 - 10. I thought we would be just below par
• Saints and North. Those campaigners are farking youseless. Seriously, Saints draft 4 decent players in 11 years. The AFL needs to send them a letter with body only consisting of "Brah?".
• Tabernacle is a bit of a stretch at B grade. I keep seeing and meaning to change it. Can't be unseen now.

 

[Rowan18]

It goes to show that trading is as important as drafting. Our 2018 flag was as much a result of trading as finding players ourselves (JK, Yeo, Redden, Jetta, Cripps were all traded in).

 

[Rowan18]

I think you missed Andrew Gaff

3

Andrew Gaff

Age

32

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.6

5star

K

15.9

5star

HB

10.7

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

2.5

4star

D

24.5

5star

K

15.6

5star

HB

8.9

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.0

3star

CL

2.5

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.6

3star

CL

0.6

3star

for WCE. That might move us up a rung (I assume he is A grade given he was dual AA).

 

[Eddie_Sandbrah]

I think you missed Andrew Gaff for WCE. That might move us up a rung (I assume he is A grade given he was dual AA).

I didn't miss him.

This is all picks from #13 until the end of the draft, in years 2009 - 2011.


The reason being is all the criticism comes for those 2nd and 3rd round picks. Lot's of people say it's why we are so poor. So I want to check and get some sort of proper understanding as to just how bad we were choosing in 2nd, 3rd round etc. Surprisingly, we weren't that bad.

 

[Eddie_Sandbrah]

It goes to show that trading is as important as drafting. Our 2018 flag was as much a result of trading as finding players ourselves (JK, Yeo, Redden, Jetta, Cripps were all traded in).

Yep, but the timing has to be right too. St Kilda have been perennial list toppers and it gets them nowhere. You have to have elite talent before you should start bringing in players from elsewhere. Fremantle are world champions at coughing up good players.

 

[Barrybran]

Jackson Nelson

30

Jackson Nelson

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

184.8

3star

D

14.8

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.3

3star

MG

171.8

3star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

127.0

3star

played 100 games for the club. He wasn't a superstar but that's certainly not an F. Neither are Jake Waterman

2

Jake Waterman

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.8

2star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.0

1star

M

5.8

5star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

, Petrucelle or Rotham.

 

[Jupes]

todd marshall

4

Todd Marshall

Age

26

Ht

198cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

2.5

2star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

8.9

2star

K

7.1

3star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.1

5star

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is the same calibre player as gov??

 

[Eddie_Sandbrah]

Jackson Nelson played 100 games for the club. He wasn't a superstar but that's certainly not an F. Neither are Jake Waterman, Petrucelle or Rotham.

They all Fs brah.

F is for Fringe and Fail.

 

[Barrybran]

They all Fs brah.

F is for Fringe and Fail.

Yeah, no. Not even close. Don't get me wrong - ideally all of these players would be depth but if your depth players are F's, you're in trouble. They're not F's.

 

[Eddie_Sandbrah]

todd marshall is the same calibre player as gov??

There's a bit of a gap between top of A and bottom of A. Marshall is a KPF, mush harder to play and there for way more valuable than a KPD. I did sometime look at Marshall there and wonder if he deserved it. But put him down to B from A and it doesn't really make much difference. You're going to find other players who I've graded B, that you think are A.

 

[Eddie_Sandbrah]

Yeah, no. Not even close. Don't get me wrong - ideally all of these players would be depth but if your depth players are F's, you're in trouble. They're not F's.

A player who is a fringe player and never really cements their spot and plays, 50, 70, 80, and even 100 games in Disco's case, are F's for the sake of this assignment.

Guess what 100 games for Disco means? 100 games for us to work out he's shit and not going to cut it.

 

[Kegs15]

Good resource and I'm fully aware I'm the armchair critic who didn't put the time in themselves to actually create anything but is sitting back nitpicking so just wanted to preface my post with that

I think the overall ratings leads to a bit of undervaluing draft picks for me - especially when it comes to filling a premiership squad.

Mike Pyke is probably the example that best illustrates my point - AA calibre? No. Super long career? Certainly not. But list-wise was incredibly important to Sydney especially in their 2012 win - he was the best ruck on the ground that day, played a blinder from memory, and with Mumford injury prone for them he wasn't someone who you'd give a pass mark to for playing 22 games - he was someone you'd give a pass mark to if the Swans in general never went without a competitive ruckman - that was his role for the list. Not every player on the list can play 200 games but if you get 100 very solid games, a premiership and consistent coverage from a late-picked Canadian I wouldn't classify that as dud at all.

Premierships are won on the fringe players coming in and playing a role (look at Collingwood this year or Vardy/Sheed/Schofield being last picked in our flag year) - you draft and plan for 35 ish playable players, if your 28th picked player is really solid and can perform a role I wouldn't consider them a dud. Steven Armstrong for us in 2006 for instance - flash in the pan, overtaken by LeCras, but good enough to be a premiership player in our side and perform really well on the day. I wouldn't grade him an F. Will Langford for Hawthorn you've graded an F - not a great career sure but 3 goals and 21 touches in a winning grand final I reckon is a pass any day, I'd gladly pay a late pick for a player who just has a few good seasons when we're in contention and helps guide us there.

You've got De Boer as F for GWS - they picked him up specifically as a mature aged player to play a really specific role, they didn't expect him to play 15 seasons and win a Brownlow, and he exceeded their expectations (at a time where they really didn't need another 18 year old coming through, they needed what he brought), and they were in contention partly off the back of that.

Then you've got Willem Drew who's had 400 disposals in a season twice in his career already and played a good role for port this year - too early to give players like that an F.

A player who is a fringe player and never really cements their spot and plays, 50, 70, 80, and even 100 games in Disco's case, are F's for the sake of this assignment.

Guess what 100 games for Disco means? 100 games for us to work out he's s**t and not going to cut it.

Basically I think I disagree with you on your definition of an 'F' - an F to me is a player that doesn't contribute to success. O'Neill I'd say probably didn't make West Coast a more successful team and actually is an F. But sometimes recruiters aren't expecting an all Australian, they're maybe going for a mature age contributor, a backup ruck or to fill a list hole for a few seasons while a better player develops and if that player meets or exceeds those expectations (as Pyke at pick 101 for instance did) then I couldn't see them as an F


Edit: someone like an Orazio Fantasia who you pick at 55, then in a trade he nets you pick 29 and a future 3rd in an overall increase in capital, I'd also rate as having done something to make your list better even if he stinks it up at the 2nd club. Lots of ways to gain value (though obviously it's Essendon so my point about contributing to success is probably moot here)

 

[Eddie_Sandbrah]

Good resource and I'm fully aware I'm the armchair critic who didn't put the time in themselves to actually create anything but is sitting back nitpicking so just wanted to preface my post with that

I think the overall ratings leads to a bit of undervaluing draft picks for me - especially when it comes to filling a premiership squad.

Mike Pyke is probably the example that best illustrates my point - AA calibre? No. Super long career? Certainly not. But list-wise was incredibly important to Sydney especially in their 2012 win - he was the best ruck on the ground that day, played a blinder from memory, and with Mumford injury prone for them he wasn't someone who you'd give a pass mark to for playing 22 games - he was someone you'd give a pass mark to if the Swans in general never went without a competitive ruckman - that was his role for the list. Not every player on the list can play 200 games but if you get 100 very solid games, a premiership and consistent coverage from a late-picked Canadian I wouldn't classify that as dud at all.

Premierships are won on the fringe players coming in and playing a role (look at Collingwood this year or Vardy/Sheed/Schofield being last picked in our flag year) - you draft and plan for 35 ish playable players, if your 28th picked player is really solid and can perform a role I wouldn't consider them a dud. Steven Armstrong for us in 2006 for instance - flash in the pan, overtaken by LeCras, but good enough to be a premiership player in our side and perform really well on the day. I wouldn't grade him an F. Will Langford for Hawthorn you've graded an F - not a great career sure but 3 goals and 21 touches in a winning grand final I reckon is a pass any day, I'd gladly pay a late pick for a player who just has a few good seasons when we're in contention and helps guide us there.

You've got De Boer for GWS - they picked him up specifically as a mature aged player to play a really specific role, they didn't expect him to play 15 seasons and win a Brownlow, and he exceeded their expectations (at a time where they really didn't need another 18 year old coming through, they needed what he brought), and they were in contention partly off the back of that.

Then you've got Willem Drew who's had 400 disposals in a season twice in his career already and played a good role for port this year - too early to give players like that an F.



Basically I think I disagree with you on your definition of an 'F' - an F to me is a player that doesn't contribute to success. O'Neill I'd say probably didn't make West Coast a more successful team. But sometimes recruiters aren't expecting an all Australian, they're maybe going for a mature age contributor, a backup ruck or to fill a list hole for a few seasons while a better player develops and if that player meets or exceeds those expectations (as Pyke at pick 101 for instance did) then I couldn't see them as an F

You used a lot of words to say nothing.

 

[Kegs15]

You used a lot of words to say nothing.

Given I don't think I was disrespectful in my post, you responding like this kind of reads like "I'm just annoyed that people have disagreements with the large post I made"

If you did only just feel like I posted nothing, then surely you would have just not replied to it? It's a footy forum in the offseason, we're all basically posting nothing round in circles anyway

 

[Truckosaurus]

Tell me you work in finance without telling me you work in finance.

 

[Eddie_Sandbrah]

Given I don't think I was disrespectful in my post, you responding like this kind of reads like "I'm just annoyed that people have disagreements with the large post I made"

If you did only just feel like I posted nothing, then surely you would have just not replied to it? It's a footy forum in the offseason, we're all basically posting nothing round in circles anyway

You've missed the point of my post and want to squabble over where the line is that constitutes an F. Where that line is, doesn't change anything. The order will still be the same.

 

[Doashuey]

You used a lot of words to say nothing.

Gee

 

[Kegs15]

You've missed the point of my post and want to squabble over where the line is that constitutes an F. Where that line is, doesn't change anything. The order will still be the same.

I read your post as you making 2 points:

A: Where we rank against the other teams, which I agree with, maybe a few spots would shuffle but largely wouldn't change

And B: on the value of a pick from 13 onward, with you saying the value is lower than what people might expect given that 76% are duds. Or taken another way, on the likelihood of getting a passable player.

I wasn't disagreeing with point A, and think your post gives an interesting look at where clubs sit relative to each other.

However I think on B the likelihood of getting a serviceable player with those picks onwards is a fair bit higher than 24% because I have very different metrics on what I consider serviceable (as you said in an earlier post, F is for Fringe and Fail, and I think fringe and fail are two very different things). I (and I suspect recruiters) rate the value of say pick 14 higher than you do and thought that was worth discussing.

This is a footy discussion board and you've posted something that inherently sounded like a discussion piece. If point B wasn't a point you were trying to make then just say "yeah it might change up player to player, this was more a comparison than a valuation of draft picks in general" and I'd be like ok gotcha sure. But given how you worded your OP with the whole "chances of finding a player later in the draft" stuff I think it's fair that people would be keen to discuss that side of it too.

Don't just auto-dismiss anything you don't like, better to either engage with it on a genuine level or just ignore it

 

[Tony_Clifton]

I find your work very interesting. From your original post you said you gave the ratings A+ through to F. What resources/metrics did you use to assist in giving the ratings? Draftguru/PAV maybe? Because you'd have to be a savant of some kind to do this by gut feel for it.

And being a Freo nuffy is Sam Switkowski

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Sam Switkowski

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74kg

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11.8

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5.3

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6.5

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2.7

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4.8

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0.4

3star

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13.4

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7.2

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6.2

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3.0

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4.0

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0.4

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being given an F a mistake because even Tom Sheridan cracked a C. Having a guess here but was total games played the reason for Tom Sheridan ranking higher.