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Party, I’d say it’s more got to do with the talent in the north west region not as good as it was 10-15 years ago, due to various factors. Also calder is not as well run as it used to be and western jets is by far the worst talent league operation, coupled with the weakest region for talent. Northern knights, eastern, stingrays still very strong clubs with a lot of their boys not in the aps system.