Society/Culture Elon Musk - Takeover of Twitter?

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He's distancing Germans from nazism in that speech. It's hardly a rallying call.

Anti-immigration and anti-Islam policies are kinda meh to me - you'll find that in predominantly non-white nations too.

Are the AfD worse than One Nation?
On the surface level they're comparable

Right wing populist pro white anti immigration parties

In Germany though the courts aren't unwilling to label extremism

 
Quoted from his speech at the ADF meeting:

“ I think there’s, frankly, too much of a focus on past guilt, and we need to move beyond that. Children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents ... let alone their great-grandparents, maybe even,” Musk said, in an apparent reference to Germany’s Nazi past."
I see nothing wrong with that at all. He's absolutely right.

Do you consider that white supremacist rhetoric?
At a neo Nazi rally. Yes

Yes indeed I do.
 
I wouldn't trust the SRP to define centrism.

The far left and far right agreeing on something does not make it true by any means. It just means the extremities see things the same way - how do you feel about horseshoe theory?
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Do you consider that white supremacist rhetoric?
Do I think dog whistling the 14 words at an AfD meeting by talking about the Germany's children and their culture being lost in multiculturalism is white supremacist rhetoric?

Yes, but it's more subtle than him literally throwing out a sieg heil twice on stage so it's not surprising it's all above board to you.
 
This was the incident.

Killing of Wolfaardt, Uys, and Fourie​

Alwyn Wolfaardt pleads for his life.
The convoy of AWB vehicles had been firing into roadside houses as they passed through a poor black area of Mafikeng.[19] Members of the Bophuthatswana police had set up an ambush and opened fire on the AWB convoy, killing one AWB militant, Francois Alwyn Venter, and wounding eleven others. Although most of the AWB vehicles managed to escape, the last vehicle was left behind. AWB Colonel Alwyn Wolfaardt, AWB General Nicolaas Fourie and Veldkornet (Field Cornet) Jacobus Stephanus Uys were driving a blue Mercedes-Benz W108 at the end of the convoy. The driver, Fourie, was shot in the neck; another passenger, Wolfaardt; in the arm and the remaining passenger, Uys, in the leg. Wolfaardt and Uys were wounded and Fourie died almost instantly. Wolfaardt stumbled out of the car and brandished a handgun but was advised by the onlookers not to start shooting. A Bophuthatswana police officer relieved him of the weapon. Half a dozen reporters who had stumbled on to the scene recorded what followed. A journalist approached and spoke to Wolfaardt, asking if he was a member of the AWB. Wolfaardt confirmed this, reporting that they had been dispatched from Naboomspruit. He then pleaded for the lives of him and his injured comrade, "Please God, help us! Get us some medical help!", he said. In response, a police officer strolled up to the two men, pointed his R4 rifle, and fired two bullets into each men at point-blank range, firing a further two into the body of Fourie, which he then proceeded to kick in the ribs. The execution was captured by the nearby journalists and broadcast worldwide.[15][4]

Soon after the deaths of the AWB militants, the BDF ordered the Afrikaner Volksfront to leave Bophuthatswana. The Volksfront withdrew in a much more orderly fashion later that afternoon, accompanied by a military escort to avoid the general public, although one Volksfront militant, Francois Willem Jansen Van Rensburg, was shot and killed by an unidentified member of the BDF during the withdrawal.[4]

As the Volksfront and AWB completed their withdrawal, units of the South African Defence Force (SADF) moved to occupy Bophuthatswana and assume responsibility for the territory's security.[8][20][21] Mangope's regime was formally abolished by the South African government the same day.[8]
 
If you ask people like Joe Rogan, Musk, Jordan Peterson and Asmongold they'll all have told you that they're critical thinking centrists.

The problem is there too dumb to realise they need to fall on one position, if they're going to be strongly opinionated.

evolved2 is stuck in a self defeating loop and paradox when he believes these right-wing shills who often claim "centrism" as a rhetorical shield, framing themselves as free-thinking moderates above the partisan fray.

But their actual stances on anti-woke rhetoric, skepticism of progressive policies, and alignment with conservative talking points reveal a clear and extreme rightward stance.
 

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If you ask people like Joe Rogan, Musk, Jordan Peterson and Asmongold they'll all have told you that they're critical thinking centrists.

The problem is there too dumb to realise they need to fall on one position, if they're going to be strongly opinionated.

evolved2 is stuck in a self defeating loop and paradox when he believes these right-wing shills who often claim "centrism" as a rhetorical shield, framing themselves as free-thinking moderates above the partisan fray.

But their actual stances on anti-woke rhetoric, skepticism of progressive policies, and alignment with conservative talking points reveal a clear and extreme rightward stance.
****ing asmongold. i despise that destitute animal a great deal. of all the gamers to eventually “try” and enter politics he’s gotta be one of the dumbest out there. nothing of substance has left his jaw
 
In context of the speech and the man, I'm more inclined to view it as the awkward act of an autistic person.

The rest of the world is a tad hyperbolic.

What would be the purpose of Elon performing a nazi salute and thanking nazis for the election win? How many nazis are there in the US?

there's a pattern, whereby people come out of the trump closet to say they supported trump. some ordinary people and celebrities state they feel safe saying they support trump. while i think it's sad that they felt unsafe - i'm not pro-violence - it seems quite possible elon felt safe doing a nazi salute. evidence certainly points to him being safe if it was real, doesn't it?
 
I actually agree current-day Germans shouldn't feel personal guilt for the actions and ideology of their ancestors, with the proviso it's accepted they do have responsibility to learn from it and ensure they never allow anything that even remotely resembles that shit to kick-off again.

But I don't think Elon said that second bit to AfD did he? Probably the Autism.
 
I actually agree current-day Germans shouldn't feel personal guilt for the actions and ideology of their ancestors, with the proviso it's accepted they do have responsibility to learn from it and ensure they never allow anything that even remotely resembles that shit to kick-off again.

But I don't think Elon said that second bit to AfD did he? Probably the Autism.

Nobody is saying Germans should feel personally guilty. He’s echoing the neo Nazis dog whistling; the holocaust and ethno nationalism should not be something to reject.

He’s a neo nazi and anyone who denies it is a nazi, dumb or trolling.


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I actually agree current-day Germans shouldn't feel personal guilt for the actions and ideology of their ancestors, with the proviso it's accepted they do have responsibility to learn from it and ensure they never allow anything that even remotely resembles that shit to kick-off again.

But I don't think Elon said that second bit to AfD did he? Probably the Autism.
context matters, giving that message to a group of far right people will empower their personal belief that their movement is legitimate.

right wing populism is a plague on the world that will invariably cause things to keep getting worse.
 
Excellent piece that puts what's been swirling round in my mind for a while now far better than I could.
I've only had some passing interactions with white South Africans over the years but in all those cases they had a profound sense of self importance and superiority, not always warranted
 
I've only had some passing interactions with white South Africans over the years but in all those cases they had a profound sense of self importance and superiority, not always warranted
 
Whether it was a Nazi salute or an awkward guy doing awkward things is irrelevant.

It’s out there and it’s been perceived as such. Musk could have easily cleared it up and how he feels in one single tweet.

He hasn’t and we have our answer on the person he is and the views he has.
Even if it wasn't, the new dead cat on the table is his speech at a neo-Nazi rally.

He doesn't know that you're supposed to throw something out that is DIFFERENT to the thing you did that you're trying to distract people from.
 

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