Etihad Stadium Gone by 2025?

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pazza said:
Here's a question.

If Waverley had been built at Laverton, which was one of the options the VFL had at the time, would it be now closed and would have Etihad been built in the first place?
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Laverton as in out past Altona?

Melbourne footy fans think Etihad is 'too hard to get to'. There's buckley's they'd find there way out there.
 

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pazza said:
Here's a question.

If Waverley had been built at Laverton, which was one of the options the VFL had at the time, would it be now closed and would have Etihad been built in the first place?
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Probably. It would've had a train line, but besides that would there be any difference? It would be even more in the middle of nowhere than Waverley and the issue would remain who would want to play there?

The only way for a outer suburb ground to work in Melbourne would be as a boutique stadium that at least 2 teams support. Would the Dogs (the obvious choice) and another team (Ess, North etc?) have supported Laverton?

Obviously it would change things and you never know exactly how but despite it's flaws Etihad is a good 2nd stadium. If the seats and profits were better split for the clubs and supporters it would probably have a great reputation.

Laverton could've been originally Waverley sized before being renovated and downgraded to a 30k stadium for Dogs home games and North and maybe Cats games in Melbourne. Then Princes Park could've been upgraded and become the home of Essendon and Carlton. Or Junction oval for the Saints, cricket and another side.

Ground rationalisation was always going to happen. Centralisation was a very good idea. That's how Melbourne's trains work, it makes sense for the footy grounds. So Etihad ticks those 2 boxes. The 50k capacity is realistic for most home and away games. The roof is a big winner.
 
catters05 said:
Can't the roof just be closed during games then it doesn't matter?
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Then why play any day games there, FFS ?
Just bulldoze the mistake. An abortion of an idea for new ground, built for wrong reasons from start and the legacy of Wayne Jackson as president.
 
master bate said:
Probably. It would've had a train line, but besides that would there be any difference? It would be even more in the middle of nowhere than Waverley and the issue would remain who would want to play there?

The only way for a outer suburb ground to work in Melbourne would be as a boutique stadium that at least 2 teams support. Would the Dogs (the obvious choice) and another team (Ess, North etc?) have supported Laverton?

Obviously it would change things and you never know exactly how but despite it's flaws Etihad is a good 2nd stadium. If the seats and profits were better split for the clubs and supporters it would probably have a great reputation.

Laverton could've been originally Waverley sized before being renovated and downgraded to a 30k stadium for Dogs home games and North and maybe Cats games in Melbourne. Then Princes Park could've been upgraded and become the home of Essendon and Carlton. Or Junction oval for the Saints, cricket and another side.

Ground rationalisation was always going to happen. Centralisation was a very good idea. That's how Melbourne's trains work, it makes sense for the footy grounds. So Etihad ticks those 2 boxes. The 50k capacity is realistic for most home and away games. The roof is a big winner.
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I think that was the original idea. Have Essendon, North, Footscray and maybe Geelong playing out of the venue.

Want to know how it didn't happen?

The Liberal Party.

Thanks to Bolte and his treatment of the Western Suburbs before 1970, what with no electrified trains and the delays in constructing the West Gate, eliminated the viability of the venue. The site the State Baseball Centre is now on, was going to be the site of it - right next to both the freeway and the railway line.
 
surely the ones calling for the removal need to suggest how the percieved problem can be fixed ?

Presumably more apartments and offces wont do it, but otherwise lots of public money is needed.

Money which is far more required elsewhere
 
My suggestion is sink the train lines and build a park on top. The park would have to have anough tree cover but not enough so that there was no light. This will hopefully help connect etihad up a bit more. The issue is that it doesn't open up the other side of etihad. The only other way is to sink the railway lines and continue the city across to the stadium. It might increase patronage a bit more. This would have to be done on both sides of southern cross though. The railway lines really are in a shit position. Wish they weren't there.
 
rippersnipper said:
My suggestion is sink the train lines and build a park on top. The park would have to have anough tree cover but not enough so that there was no light. This will hopefully help connect etihad up a bit more. The issue is that it doesn't open up the other side of etihad. The only other way is to sink the railway lines and continue the city across to the stadium. It might increase patronage a bit more. This would have to be done on both sides of southern cross though. The railway lines really are in a shit position. Wish they weren't there.
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Causes far too much disruption to all travellers.

The park idea can be done, with minimal disruption.
 
rippersnipper said:
It needs to be done. It would make people go to that side of the city and obviously increase the patronage in docklands. More pubs and shops need to be opened in docklands as well.
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The economics of such a close down needed to be factored in here. Can Melbourne afford to have most of Victoria not being able to access the city by rail? We are taling people coming from Warrnambool, Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo, Echuca, Seymour, Shepparton, Albury, Wodonga, Wangaratta, Benalla, Vilet Town, Euroa, Nagambie, the Macedon Ranges, Maryborough, Ararat, Colac...plus the metropolitan areas to the north, north-west, west and south-west of the city? Doubt it.

The park can be built without massive disruption to all the above.
 
pazza said:
I think that was the original idea. Have Essendon, North, Footscray and maybe Geelong playing out of the venue.

Want to know how it didn't happen?

The Liberal Party.

Thanks to Bolte and his treatment of the Western Suburbs before 1970, what with no electrified trains and the delays in constructing the West Gate, eliminated the viability of the venue. The site the State Baseball Centre is now on, was going to be the site of it - right next to both the freeway and the railway line.
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A few people died during those delays.

Bit of respect please.
 

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pazza said:
The economics of such a close down needed to be factored in here. Can Melbourne afford to have most of Victoria not being able to access the city by rail? We are taling people coming from Warrnambool, Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo, Echuca, Seymour, Shepparton, Albury, Wodonga, Wangaratta, Benalla, Vilet Town, Euroa, Nagambie, the Macedon Ranges, Maryborough, Ararat, Colac...plus the metropolitan areas to the north, north-west, west and south-west of the city? Doubt it.

The park can be built without massive disruption to all the above.
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Couldn't we phase the works so that at most only half of the tracks into southern cross from the west are out of commission with services not able to reach southern cross terminating at North Melbourne temporarily.
 
pazza said:
I think that was the original idea. Have Essendon, North, Footscray and maybe Geelong playing out of the venue.

Want to know how it didn't happen?

The Liberal Party.

Thanks to Bolte and his treatment of the Western Suburbs before 1970, what with no electrified trains and the delays in constructing the West Gate, eliminated the viability of the venue. The site the State Baseball Centre is now on, was going to be the site of it - right next to both the freeway and the railway line.
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Sure that's fine. But long term I doubt North and Essendon fans would've loved it. That would've preferred their original grounds or the MCG for sure and if someone suggest Docklands to them they would've much preferred that idea. Geelong fans will always want games in Geelong or for Melbourne based Cats fans a mix of MCG and Geelong.

A centralised second stadium was the right answer not one in the middle of nowhere that is only attractive for people who live in the area and maybe 1 or 2 clubs.
 
KissKiss said:
Yep one of the big problems was the lack of things like schools. If they had got one in there a lot more families would live/stay in the area and it would improve naturally over time.

You can definitely see the same mistakes happening in Fisherman's Bend right now. People like Guy stuffed so many things up.
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Good point about schools
Junior catches the train to Newmarket each day as his school is in Flemington
 
pazza said:
I think that was the original idea. Have Essendon, North, Footscray and maybe Geelong playing out of the venue.

Want to know how it didn't happen?

The Liberal Party.

Thanks to Bolte and his treatment of the Western Suburbs before 1970, what with no electrified trains and the delays in constructing the West Gate, eliminated the viability of the venue. The site the State Baseball Centre is now on, was going to be the site of it - right next to both the freeway and the railway line.
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The other big issue is that it would have been on the very fringes of Melbourne.

Waverley was a lot closer to the center of population.
 
pazza said:
The Liberal Party once again was the cause of that...the suburbs east of Melbourne were well settled before those in the West (or allowed to be).
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Even if true, so what?

When the ground was built, that's where the people were.
 

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