Coach Fages and the coaching group

[StevoJenkins]

You don't think he'll go home as the inaugural Tassie coach?

He'll be 64 at the end of next year, has been the oldest coach in the AFL for some time. Unless he wants to become the worse, less successful, AFL version of Wayne Bennett (a guy who sticks around for way too long), I think he retires.

Tassie needed a Hardwick or Cameron type, but that boat has sailed. Whoever coaches Tassie, it will be new blood, don't want to repeat the mistakes of Gold Coast.

Old Luke Power is a name I have heard in the next round of potential head coaches. Currently head coach for Carlton's VFL side.

 

[Squizz89]

Hard to argue with the assessment of Cam. Like I said yesterday I honestly don’t know what more the coaches can do with him. Never thought I’d get to this, but it wouldn’t bother me if both parties wanted a clean break at the end of the year.

 

[KissKiss]

based on observations, I have not looked at stats, Charlie's set shot kicking is problematic. Almost every game we score more behinds then goals.

He looks like he has no idea what to do every time he marks the ball. He is constantly changing his approach - some times going round the corner, sometimes a set shot. He seems to have no plan or set routine of what to do in this location. His goal kicking confidence is completely gone if not snapping on the run. Aside from that Charlie was playing really well up the ground and delivering the ball forward this week. Suggests its totally mental

It does make his constant remonstration when players dont kick the ball perfectly to him look even worse. But to be honest if you arent kicking it to him in space I would be looking at other targets than Charlie at the moment. He's letting the team down way too much to be targetting in the forward line.

 

[briztoon]

If he was the 10th fittest at the club would it have been a good choice?

This is such a stupid question and totally ignores the point Jivlain is making about Sharp and picking him as a sub.

If you want to ask a pertinent question, ask about Fagan’s philosophy about using the sub, or ask what are the pro’s and con’s of a tactical sub.

 

[KissKiss]

This is such a stupid question and totally ignores the point Jivlain is making about Sharp and picking him as a sub.

If you want to ask a pertinent question, ask about Fagan’s philosophy about using the sub, or ask what are the pro’s and con’s of a tactical sub.

I'd suggest Fagan's philosophy on the sub is its the 23rd best player he has available each week. And he would prefer not to use it as he thinks he should back in the best 22 as much as possible. I would also guess he would prefer the sub wasnt a thing so he didnt have to deal with it.

 

[Nathan Barley]

This is such a stupid question and totally ignores the point Jivlain is making about Sharp and picking him as a sub.

If you want to ask a pertinent question, ask about Fagan’s philosophy about using the sub, or ask what are the pro’s and con’s of a tactical sub.

Why should being the fittest mean he can't be the sub?

Maybe even if it's not using his main strength which is his fitness he's still the best choice

 

[martinson]

I think Fages time is up as far as getting the best out of what we have goes.

It's no reflection on him and I think we'll have him see out his contract and I'd even understand in some ways if we re-signed him.

But considering his age ,the way some players have stagnated and we play like a tired ,going through the motions team I don't believe he's the person to take us forward.

I don't think that's a radical thought and I know everyone's doing their absolute best to get us going again. But the players aren't responding in any way that resembles desperation to win games.

 

[ice444]

Who do we replace fages with... I know - Ken Hinkley..... /s

 

[martinson]

As far as sub goes in theory it's probably someone who's not considered in your best 22 players so it's unlikely to be someone who could do anything special.

I would've played Sharp . But whoever we had as sub wasn't going to make any difference yesterday.

The issue was that playing Ryan was a complete brain fade , just a passenger when we were desperate for a goer.

 

[Sanchez365]

To be fair Sharp came on and made 3 crucial mistakes all in the last quarter that cost goals. He didn't look like a player that should have been out there.

But he also looked like he was trying to do too much to make an impact as the sub too which maybe wouldn't of been the case had he started early.

 

[Squizz89]

Having now reached the halfway point and seeing what we’ve dished up, can we now read into those comments from Lachie a little more after round 1 about “shitting on your teammates”, or do we still think that was a throwaway line?

 

[KissKiss]

To be fair Sharp came on and made 3 crucial mistakes all in the last quarter that cost goals. He didn't look like a player that should have been out there.

But he also looked like he was trying to do too much to make an impact as the sub too which maybe wouldn't of been the case had he started early.

He came on and at stages of the last quarter we were starting to just try and Hail Mary it forward so their were mistakes from a lot of players. I dont really blame the guy who just came on for trying to do too much to spark the team

 

[martinson]

Having now reached the halfway point and seeing what we’ve dished up, can we now read into those comments from Lachie a little more after round 1 about “shitting on your teammates”, or do we still think that was a throwaway line?

I've actually wondered about that ever since he said it.

Seemed an odd thing to say after Round 1 when he's virtually straight batted every question he's ever been asked in his whole career prior.

Water under the bridge now. The pertinent question is where are we at now and what can we do about it. With an eye on 2025. But if we don't get the desire for the contest back in 2024 it won't be coming back in 2025 without significant change in the coaching and playing group.

 

[On the quiet]

He looks like he has no idea what to do every time he marks the ball. He is constantly changing his approach - some times going round the corner, sometimes a set shot. He seems to have no plan or set routine of what to do in this location. His goal kicking confidence is completely gone if not snapping on the run. Aside from that Charlie was playing really well up the ground and delivering the ball forward this week. Suggests its totally mental

It does make his constant remonstration when players dont kick the ball perfectly to him look even worse. But to be honest if you arent kicking it to him in space I would be looking at other targets than Charlie at the moment. He's letting the team down way too much to be targetting in the forward line.

yep, almost prefer a 19 year old and 21 year old to be the main forward entry targets.

 

[Sanchez365]

He came on and at stages of the last quarter we were starting to just try and Hail Mary it forward so their were mistakes from a lot of players. I dont really blame the guy who just came on for trying to do too much to spark the team

Agreed I don't put the loss down to Sharps influence alone. Our mids IMO and their defensive structure continues to be the reason we lose games. Somehow we won center clearances vs the hawks but it's hard to believe that stat. Might have to send some requests to ZoBlitz for direction of center clearance when he does his game reviews!

 

[notliondown]

To be fair Sharp came on and made 3 crucial mistakes all in the last quarter that cost goals. He didn't look like a player that should have been out there.

But he also looked like he was trying to do too much to make an impact as the sub too which maybe wouldn't of been the case had he started early.

You're a hard marker singling him out of that team but I get your point.

I think we use the sub in a way - especially yesterday at that point in the game - that creates an expectation that they need to lift the team or be the difference.

Sharpie has his deficiencies but enthusiasm and effort aren't them.

If we dropped players from yesterday on mistakes half the mids and nearly all of the forwards don't play

 

[On the quiet]

Having now reached the halfway point and seeing what we’ve dished up, can we now read into those comments from Lachie a little more after round 1 about “shitting on your teammates”, or do we still think that was a throwaway line?

the comment was after the OR game against Carlton and Payne (who played a reasonable first half, but did have a poor second half) was dropped for round 1 against freo. We have lost a further 5 games since that OR and apart from Payne and one or two fringe players no permanent player has been dropped.

 

[Sanchez365]

You're a hard marker singling him out of that team but I get your point.

I think we use the sub in a way - especially yesterday at that point in the game - that creates an expectation that they need to lift the team or be the difference.

Sharpie has his deficiencies but enthusiasm and effort aren't them.

If we dropped players from yesterday on mistakes half the mids and nearly all of the forwards don't play

Just to be clear I like what Sharp brings and I'm not putting our loss on his shoulders at all. I don't think we generally use the sub as an impact, must make a difference kind of player. We normally don't use it at all. I'm pretty sure there was a game earlier in the year we didn't use it at all.

I just wish all our players had the same defensive intensity as Lohmann is displaying at the moment. The bloke is running past 3-4 team mates to apply pressure up and down the ground at the moment.

 

[StevoJenkins]

Who do we replace fages with... I know - Ken Hinkley..... /s

You can do worse than Hinkley, but he wouldn't want to move up here and his recent finals record is worse than ours.

 

[western royboy]

100% what happened in the US is having an affect. Been clear as day since round one regardless of what the club and players said. No coincidence Charlie has been down - it is affecting him in some way.

Rayner was the main one affected - pretty obvious

 

[davemc_lions]

Was at the game yesterday.. Same problem we had since Fagan took over
We cannot stick tackles, too slow in midfield and have no mid who can break lines.
None of our mids can break a game apart. Put all our Eggs into Rayner who plays 3-4 good games a year still.
Apart from Dunkley most are crap sticking tackles.
Neale a great player tries his guts out although he is not damaging
Nor is McCluggae or Berry. I really like Bruce and Fletcher although again not going to have 5 min spell that breaks the game open.
Of all our knee injuries I think Kiddy been the hardest to cover. Apart from kicking we lost his intercepting, dropping into a hole and tackling was great. His kicking was a difference and did break games open.
We replaced him with Zorko who kicks 20-30m and cannot defend. Gives away stupid frees still
So basically we running one defender down.

I watch a lot of non lions games.. You just do not see our players chase or tackle hard.
The word soft does come to mind. At the game you see players jog after guys. Or just let them kick it instead of throwing themselves at the player.

Fagan seems a great people manager builds guys up. Really backs the guys and believes in them
Said time and again not a great tactician seems no plan B.
A new voice help even as I said lots of times we got someone in to help Fagan.

 

[davemc_lions]

Rayner was the main one affected - pretty obvious

Maybe although he always plays one break out game every 6 weeks. Where we go that's the real Rayner
Although the real Rayner is the other 5 weeks

 

[Section 5]

To be fair Sharp came on and made 3 crucial mistakes all in the last quarter that cost goals. He didn't look like a player that should have been out there.

But he also looked like he was trying to do too much to make an impact as the sub too which maybe wouldn't of been the case had he started early.

I usually don't care who the sub is as they rarely make a difference to the end result.
Just another player available for rotations that usually is struggling to be best 22.
However, because of the role of sitting idle usually for 3/4 of a game an experienced player over youth would be my choice.
I would class experienced as 50 plus AFL games or 3 years minimum in the system.
So, this is the list of players i would choose a sub from each week. Including a few regulars people will disagree on.

50 Plus AFL games: Lyons, Ah-Chee, Answerth.
3 years + in AFL system: Fort, Joyce, Madden, Carter Michael, Prior, Dev Robertson, Sharp, Smith,

 

[Viceregal]

You can do worse than Hinkley, but he wouldn't want to move up here and his recent finals record is worse than ours.

If we got Josh Carr and left them with Hinkley the melts on the Port board would be epic

 

[CarterS]

based on observations, I have not looked at stats, Charlie's set shot kicking is problematic. Almost every game we score more behinds then goals.

Stats show we are the most inaccurate team in the comp this year. Kicking 26.7 vs Richmond may have changed that not sure.