Coach Fages and the coaching group
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One assistant I would like us to grab is Adam Yze. From all reports he is a great assistant and could be a Fagan replacement if Fagan was to be let go next year. The guy has been working his arse off to get a head coaching gig and could be open to a succession plan if the club knew roughly when Fagan is set to retire as well (in the case of if Fagan does get an extension to his contract).
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I think only been two succession plans that worked. Both was Roos moving on to Horse and Goodwin
All the rest ended up a mess of a hand over.
Clarko-Mitchell, Malthouse-Buckley and Worsfold-Rutten
All the rest ended up a mess of a hand over.
Clarko-Mitchell, Malthouse-Buckley and Worsfold-Rutten
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To coach a AFL team you need a EGO.
Very few coaches move retire willingly while the club is up.
Lethal moved on although final few years where we where on the ladder 11,13,10 and 10.
I am happy Fagan go around again.
Just as others said we need a shake up in assistants. A few the same since Leppa days.
Gardiner a great example. Was so banged up mid year. Just kept being put out there. Looked very hampered. When he got an impact injury and had to miss 4 weeks, he came back looking so much better. So why on earth play him through injury, when we have Lester sitting there as replacement? The 'squads win flags' line is true but is empty words from Fagan.
And yes Gardiner was terrible on the weekend. No theory on that one
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Perhaps it would be best if we started to 'manage' Gardiner.
Funny how things change, only a few seasons ago we were happy to lose by under 5 goals, now we are about to enter our fourth finals series in a row (three finishing top four) and people want the coach gone. People wanted Dimma Hardwick gone and it took him 7-8 years with a fairly hefty off-field cleanout to get them to a premiership of which he has now coached three. I think Fages would be one of the best coaches in the league to extract what he has out of our list, realistically we are very thin in a number of areas.
Save him for mad monday
Winning solves everything. We win in 2 weeks and Fagan and Zorko become redeemed again until they get another losing streak. Its the same everywhere. If Melbourne went on losing streak after the bye we would be talking about a premiership hangover, lack of leadership allowing the likes of May to assault their own team-mate, Goodwin's alcohol/gambling shenanigans rubbing off on the team, is his position tenable given the early season revelations etc etc.
At the bye everyone was talking up on the leadership of Cripps, Walsh, Weitering for standing up and winning whilst the chips are down; Voss was coach of the year etc. Now they are on a losing streak and apparently their onfield leadership is poor and they are still disorganised etc.
Its interesting to see Collingwood get so lauded for their performances this year. Everyone says thier coach is coach of the year and its hard to argue against that. What I would like to see is how Collingwood replicate that again next year when they have to face multiple top 6 performers and Pendelburry/Sidebottom/Howe/Elliot/Roughhead are into their 30s. We've already seen how a year can see a big change in performance with Lyons, Robinson, Zorko, Rich all underperforming. I will be interested to see if Pies can replicate their success in 2023.
Our list looks in a much better shape age-wise. We also get the luxury of getting a couple of high end FS picks (and potentially another high end pick if the other Aschcroft lives up to their potential in 2024).
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Mate, Davis has been here since the VOSS days
Fagan has had his 7 years. Next year will bring him to 8. Are you content to keep going with him after that time period?
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What if he wins a flag between now and then and wants to continue?
Then I'll change my mind. Do you see that happening, realistically?
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I think we're as good as chance as any in 2023. List is healthy and in its prime. Trade in a missing piece and Rayner + Bailey takes another step and we could do anything.
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from where we where 8 not bad..
depends where 2023 heads. A lot of coaches get 10 years although ww cannot keep heading backwards
It’s really only 6 years. 7 years next year.
Fagan was hired in the off-season after the 2016 season. So 2017 was his first year in charge of coaching us.
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Do we consider moving Fagan on to a more senior role at the club? I think he is someone we should keep around the club. Whether he is our best option as head coach and just needs new and better assistants still remains to be seen.
You're a lot more optimistic than I.
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FWIW and I think he was just spitballing but Ralphy was saying on radio this morning we should ask the question of Noble once again to take over the Footy Manager job that he had previously. Apparently his family is still living up here in Brisbane.
Said whilst Daly is doing a good job in that space it seemed to be better when he was the senior/tactical assistant to Fages.
Not sure Daly would be overly keen on a demotion like that, although it’s hard to argue things weren’t working better with that set up.
FWIW I actually think Fages as the Footy Manager would be the way to go in the future but again not sure how he’d feel hanging around in that role after being head coach.
Said whilst Daly is doing a good job in that space it seemed to be better when he was the senior/tactical assistant to Fages.
Not sure Daly would be overly keen on a demotion like that, although it’s hard to argue things weren’t working better with that set up.
FWIW I actually think Fages as the Footy Manager would be the way to go in the future but again not sure how he’d feel hanging around in that role after being head coach.
He has performed greater than Hardwick had at the same point of his career, so yes I am. Particularly when you consider the team Fagan took over. 7th season next year.
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That is sort of what I was wondering about Fages as well. Something coaching wise doesn't seem to be working. You can't tell me our list isn't better than Collingwood's. Whether he is still the man for the job and needs some changes around him or not is what we are all wondering I guess. I would prefer to see Fages 'promoted' than leaving the club though.
My only worry about Fages is the altercation he had with the footy journo reeks of the fake tough guy act that we seemed to employ against Melbourne. Those kinds of things, along with our captain being a dick set a terrible example of what is and isn't ok to our players and certainly have a negative influence on our club culture.
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But is our current list better or worse than what Hardwick was working with? Particularly in 2017.
Hard to say really. They had better staff around Hardwick though, no doubt about that.
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