Injury Fremantle 2020 Injury Thread

[Superkoops]

That injury report really is a disgrace and an insult to the fans. Moving Young and Hamling to season with no actual update, is Young just a case of the reduced season or are there more ******* complications?

Is Sturt now in doubt for the rest of the year, how is he now TBA when it was 1-2 weeks 2 weeks ago.

You can’t make serious changes to where players are at with rehab and completely gloss over it. It’s ridiculous and this is without mentioning Hamlings rehab has been so ******* poor his career is in doubt and Sturt has been mismanaged from just missing a game to 3 weeks to TBA

I said a few weeks ago Hamling likely suffered a infection from his second surgery. My Physio who talked me out of having ankle surgery from a bad basketball lateral tear I did to my ankle and it was a story he relayed from a Collingwood WA footballer who suffered a terrible golden staph infection.

Not sure if Hamling’s infection is that bad but they are seeking further medical opinion.

I’m pretty confident that they are seeking surgical advice on Sturt. Really hope he doesn’t require surgery to his ankle.

Young hasn’t got worse. He would still be in a moon boot but they have become more aware of the timeframe left of the season with a bit more understanding of the fixtures. So they have put a line through him.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I said a few weeks ago Hamling likely suffered a infection from his second surgery. My Physio who talked me out of having ankle surgery from a bad basketball lateral tear I did to my ankle and it was a story he relayed from a Collingwood WA footballer who suffered a terrible golden staph infection.

Not sure if Hamling’s infection is that bad but they are seeking further medical opinion.

I’m pretty confident that they are seeking surgical advice on Sturt. Really hope he doesn’t require surgery to his ankle.

Young hasn’t got worse. He would still be in a moon boot but they have become more aware of the timeframe left of the season with a bit more understanding of the fixtures. So they have put a line through him.

All that is perfectly fine but besides the point.

That should be communicated in the report, but its not. Your explanations are likely true but we dont know because the club hasnt explained it.

 

[noise36]

What the hell is going on with Hamling? Seems like freo players start with an ankle and end up with the plague.

 

[Van_Dyke]

All that is perfectly fine but besides the point.

That should be communicated in the report, but its not. Your explanations are likely true but we dont know because the club hasnt explained it.

yeah all it’d take is simply just “given the timeline for Hayden’s injury and the AFL’s decision to condense the remaining fixture we’ll focus on getting Hayden fully fit for day 1 of preseason”

 

[Farrand]

Only one I’ll disagree on is McPharlin. He came over from hawthorn with terrible osteitis pubis. It was the Freo medicos that got him rehabbed/recovered and playing pretty much straight away. He was very durable after that, until the last few years when the calf injuries got him. But he had a good 10 years in between.

But let’s not forget also, that JLo retired at 26 because of buggered knees, numerous jabs and playing with bed mattresses wrapped around them.

Yep, I'll definitely accept I misremembered it with McPharlin.

Yeah, true with J-Lo. I remember we played him at any given opportunity while Sandi was developing. Most of the time when he was quite obvious in no shape to be out there.

I also vaguely remember Clem and Maher suing us for injuries.

Don't think we've always got it wrong but I think our history with injuries has been questionable.

 

[FreoRicci]

Why the quick need to operate on ankles? Such a complex and weight bearing joint.

Lots of normal citizens have rolled ankles, Grade 3 tears and avoided operation. Really tough rehab, slow but wtf have happened to Hamling’s mess. Career is very much in doubt now. All over a supposed ankle twist?

Absolutely shambles now. They went the operation route, stuffed it up and could’ve possibly been conservative and have him ready around about now. Joke. Physios hardly recommend surgeries until final option. There’s a lot going on for him to be bumped into that sort of decision.

I’m sorry but the medical department is done. That’s the writing on the wall. Now Sturt is going to be pushed for operation? Why? Just can him for the season and get a physio long term. These are career threatening surgeries.

 

[FreoRicci]

Here’s an indictment: Bennell has now played more games for Melbourne in one season then he has at Fremantle over 4 years. Close to 80% match time.

 

[Farrand]

Think we screwed the pooch on Bennell for sure but to the point that, yeah, he might get games, but he's never going to be anywhere near what he could have been.

 

[Mesc]

Why the quick need to operate on ankles? Such a complex and weight bearing joint.

Lots of normal citizens have rolled ankles, Grade 3 tears and avoided operation. Really tough rehab, slow but wtf have happened to Hamling’s mess. Career is very much in doubt now. All over a supposed ankle twist?

Absolutely shambles now. They went the operation route, stuffed it up and could’ve possibly been conservative and have him ready around about now. Joke. Physios hardly recommend surgeries until final option. There’s a lot going on for him to be bumped into that sort of decision.

I’m sorry but the medical department is done. That’s the writing on the wall. Now Sturt is going to be pushed for operation? Why? Just can him for the season and get a physio long term. These are career threatening surgeries.

So true . Ive been wondering the same thing. Player twists an ankle..straight to surgery. Player tears a hammy..straight to surgery. Surgery was like you said, the very last resort once upon a time.

 

[Taylor]

Here’s an indictment: Bennell has now played more games for Melbourne in one season then he has at Fremantle over 4 years. Close to 80% match time.

Isn't 80% of 75% of a full game closet to 60% of a real length AFL game we could have played him for, including multiple games off now for management?

 

[G Mus]

Isn't 80% of 75% of a full game closet to 60% of a real length AFL game we could have played him for, including multiple games off now for management?

The 7 in a row he played for Peel one year could easily have been 5 in a row for freo at 60% if there was no WAFL and shortened games etc

 

[G Mus]

Also they should have learned from Pearce and sent Hamling to Dr Salleh straight away

 

[Scham]

So true . Ive been wondering the same thing. Player twists an ankle..straight to surgery. Player tears a hammy..straight to surgery. Surgery was like you said, the very last resort once upon a time.

This is what I don’t get about these ankle injuries. Can someone with medical knowledge let me know when, and how bad does an ankle twist injury have to be before surgery is considered the best option?

 

[Taylor]

The outcomes from rest and surgery are the same when one of the tibialis posterior, flexor digitorum longus or flexor halluislogus tendons are injured - if two of the three or all three are damaged then surgery is a better outcome. These are the ones that run down the outside, behind your ankle.

But that was from the WCE surgeon, so take that as you wish.

 

[Bring back Drum]

Gil said if we need too, the GF will be played New Years Eve, will anybody be ready for that?
& will Giro still be 1-2 weeks?

 

[Lach72]

Why the quick need to operate on ankles? Such a complex and weight bearing joint.

Lots of normal citizens have rolled ankles, Grade 3 tears and avoided operation. Really tough rehab, slow but wtf have happened to Hamling’s mess. Career is very much in doubt now. All over a supposed ankle twist?

Absolutely shambles now. They went the operation route, stuffed it up and could’ve possibly been conservative and have him ready around about now. Joke. Physios hardly recommend surgeries until final option. There’s a lot going on for him to be bumped into that sort of decision.

I’m sorry but the medical department is done. That’s the writing on the wall. Now Sturt is going to be pushed for operation? Why? Just can him for the season and get a physio long term. These are career threatening surgeries.

Sounds like things have gone pear shaped but it was more than a twisted ankle. He dislocated it

 

[Taylor]

It's quite rare to dislocate your ankle without a fracture.

 

[Square Peg]

The outcomes from rest and surgery are the same when one of the tibialis posterior, flexor digitorum longus or flexor halluislogus tendons are injured - if two of the three or all three are damaged then surgery is a better outcome. These are the ones that run down the outside, behind your ankle.

But that was from the WCE surgeon, so take that as you wish.

You say what now? They're tendons that have nothing to do with the integrity of the ankle joint. There are three components to the lateral ligament of the joint. I think that if all three ligament components rupture you'll have an unstable joint and hence the rush to operate even though it can be rehabbed nonoperatively

 

[Taylor]

You say what now? They're tendons that have nothing to do with the integrity of the ankle joint. There are three components to the lateral ligament of the joint. I think that if all three ligament components rupture you'll have an unstable joint and hence the rush to operate even though it can be rehabbed nonoperatively

I don't think ankle joint injuries are the only ankle injuries.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

The outcomes from rest and surgery are the same when one of the tibialis posterior, flexor digitorum longus or flexor halluislogus tendons are injured - if two of the three or all three are damaged then surgery is a better outcome. These are the ones that run down the outside, behind your ankle.

But that was from the WCE surgeon, so take that as you wish.

Really? Those are all medial to the ankle? Surely the fibulari muscle group is more important - particularly for inversion sprains?

Surely there's little significance regarding operations having all those three muscles strong when all they do is reinforce the likely mechanism of injury.

 

[Taylor]

Really? Those are all medial to the ankle? Surely the fibulari muscle group is more important - particularly for inversion sprains?

Surely there's little significance regarding operations having all those three muscles strong when all they do is reinforce the likely mechanism of injury.

I expect you're right, peroneal retinaculum repair is what I've suspected most of the long delay between surgery has been related to - but I don't know. Does that have a positive outcome when left to heal without surgical intervention?

 

[ImperialPurple]

Can someone share what the problem appears to be with Hamling right now, and why the talk is that the injury is potentially career ending? Thanks

 

[Deathly]

Can someone share what the problem appears to be with Hamling right now, and why the talk is that the injury is potentially career ending? Thanks

From what I remember, he injured his ankle at training back in Jan/Feb and had surgery on it then and had more surgery in April. Hard to tell what hiccups are occuring during the recovery process since the club has been vague.

It's only potentially career ending because he's at Fremantle.

 

[ImperialPurple]

From what I remember, he injured his ankle at training back in Jan/Feb and had surgery on it then and had more surgery in April. Hard to tell what hiccups are occuring during the recovery process since the club has been vague.

It's only potentially career ending because he's at Fremantle.

Ok thanks. I knew the history up until now, but I was keen to know what was the latest news that means we’re talking a career ending injury. Fremantle S&C/Physio/whoever TF specialists and surgeons they consult - makes sense.

But do we really believe it’s career ending? Or is that just rumour and innuendo because ‘things’ keep happening with him?

 

[Bring back Drum]

Can someone share what the problem appears to be with Hamling right now, and why the talk is that the injury is potentially career ending? Thanks

I’m guessing it’s to do with the infection he picked up in the hub after flying presumably.
If a staph infection, it could undo any repair/healing that had taken place & if bad enough is definitely career ending. There have been numerous careers ended because of staph infections, particularly knees after surgery.
Others might be able to give you specifics on ankles & infections, but this is my guess as I have seen staph infections first hand & they are very dangerous.