Review Fremantle Contest a Game in South Australia

[Snuffaluphagus]

Carlton peeps, come on, no one on here wants your advice, stay out

Edit: holy **** Carlton people, how can you think anyone here wants your input on umpires or anything to do with the game. Stay out or get pointed

 

[kingswood71]

Fogarty gets a week for his hit on Fyfe....

 

[eastfreo75]

Is the umpire didn't hear what Jordan said, How is that dissent?

 

[Madas]

That’s very harsh but I haven’t rewatched the game to make a better assessment.
I’d have Walters below Draper

I’m feeling like Snuff is taking this all pretty badly or having a bad hair day

 

[JammoMonty]

Got anything to show one umpire called play on? I haven't seen anything

Umpire no9 Stevic I believe it is called play on. I can’t remember where I saw this and please don’t make me relive the last 2 mins

 

[Ge3ks]

Fogarty gets a week for his hit on Fyfe....

Fair.

 

[Feathercap]

It's always tough not to pot players when we've had a bitter, close loss. Things can cut both ways. Brayshaw was pretty immense in a midfield that dominated - gut running, pressuring, stripping. He got close to 40D for gods sake, including a stack contested and a huge amount of pressure acts. Did he butcher the ball going forward - yes. Was that partly to do with poor leading and a good defence, yes. Would we have been nearly as close without him? Obviously no??

Equally Jackson was not what we've come to expect and probably lowered his colours but he competed in the air, covered ground and as with AB played a crucial roll in a dominate clearance performance.

What I can't really see is how people are strongly defending Taberner. He was serviceable at best. If I wanted to be a c*** I'd say he had one job: limit weitering, and got absolutely dominated and that battle probably cost us 2/3 goals and tf the game. Yeah he kicked a few but he was also lumbering, slow of mind, poor D pressure and generally clogs up space.

Draper was beaten but that's to be expected - he was pretty solid all considering. 3G to curnow is fine. We lost it in the forward line in my view and that's an inexperience / class issue.

 

[Wray27]

Wow
The knives come out pretty quick

That’s some pretty fickle supporting right there .
Those 2 have been instrumental in Freos 3 wins now they are pathetic ?
Expected more tbh Snuff

He’s being sarcastic!

 

[Fat Nyfe]

Fogarty gets a week for his hit on Fyfe....

Watch them challenge it and he’ll get off.

 

[hoss]

If you can find where I said decent I’m all ears?

How else is a mod supposed to reply? Completely devoid of all emotion and flavour?

Or, hear me out, maybe people just have a different opinion rather than "searching for likes". Taberner had 1 score involvement the whole game: his goal. This is a theme for him: when he's not scoring, he's not involved.

The idea that we're holding a key fwd to the standard of "can he basically do what Brennan Cox did against Brisbane" is ridiculous (and I'm not sure he even passes that test). The bone I'll throw Tabs is that he's a bit less washed than I thought he was, but he's 1 of the weak links.

The comparison btwn your thoughts on Tabs vs others is quite telling. Jackson is being held to "if you get beat by 1 of the most promising rucks in the game, you're suddenly pathetic" (as if he didn't win the ball frequently but just dropped some marks and made a poor decision late). Brayshaw is "let's forget everything else you did positively, your kicking was poor so let's throw the rest out the window". Amiss had a poor game in his own right, but at least he's being held to a real standard here.

Taberner meanwhile is "can you be grand final Billy Frampton" (and given Weitering's impact on the game despite poor ball use, I think the answer was no). If you're gonna be scathing on Jackson, you can't be treating Tabs with kiddy gloves.

Think the issue is you singling one person out yourself. Walters, Freddie, Amiss, Johnson all played crap. Treacy couldn't mark. Brayshaw's kicking was awful, Jackson played crap.

 

[Demons09]

With better thread titles (obviously not serious)

Well, in all honesty, how did you rate Brayshaws game?

Disregarding his wasteful disposal i50 he was easily in our top five.

 

[Feathercap]

Is the umpire didn't hear what Jordan said, How is that dissent?

So Clark said "clark you f**** idiot" BEFORE the goal?? Pearce then remonstrates when dissent is awarded and they slap 50 on top of it?

In what world is that even CLOSE to a rationale series of umpiring decisions. The AFL gestapo has literally closed shop on it "we won't discuss what was said".

I am quite literally melting and I wasn't melting yesterday cause I assumed Clark called him a cheating c*** (which they are)

 

[Ge3ks]

With better thread titles

Right? I would have gone with;

Carlton Pokes Fremantle in the Heart

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Think the issue is you singling one person out yourself. Walters, Freddie, Amiss, Johnson all played crap. Treacy couldn't mark. Brayshaw's kicking was awful, Jackson played crap.

Im not singling any one person out, I’m responding to posts on players. That was my first criticism on Tabs because I think he was one of the worst on ground or at best, almost completely invisible. I’ve also said Draper was categorically worse.

If someone wants to say Walter’s was good, I’ll disagree there as well. Johnson was between average and meh for me and Jackson / Brayshaw are being judged on being superstars IMO which could be a way to rate players if you want. I’ve had my say on both already.

 

[hoss]

Im not singling any one person out, I’m responding to posts on players. That was my first criticism on Tabs because I think he was one of the worst on ground or at best, almost completely invisible. I’ve also said Draper was categorically worse.

If someone wants to say Walter’s was good, I’ll disagree there as well. Johnson was between average and meh for me and Jackson / Brayshaw are being judged on being superstars IMO which could be a way to rate players if you want. I’ve had my say on both already.

Sorry, I didn't even notice I'd quoted you by error. I wasn't replying to you.

 

[Grape Bear]

Maybe someone wanted to

Anyone else hear what Ralph said on this half time interview speaking about that information?

"Alex Pearce went to clarify that with the umpires who said we didn't hear exactly what was said but we felt it was demonstrative"

That can't be right....

The story just gets worse and worse, doesn’t it?

 

[Grape Bear]

Won’t happen. It’s like a learned helplessness thing with this club.

 

[Madas]

He’s being sarcastic!

Oh
I was hoping so but didn’t read like that

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Think the issue is you singling one person out yourself. Walters, Freddie, Amiss, Johnson all played crap. Treacy couldn't mark. Brayshaw's kicking was awful, Jackson played crap.

I've made 2 whole posts about Tabs, both replies to claims that he's not so bad when I think he has been poor. If someone wants to make claims about some of those others that I believe are absurd or treating them with kiddie gloves, I'll respond to them too. But nobody is claiming Brayshaw was a pinpoint kick or that Treacy wasn't fumbly, and if anything some of the others with extenuating circumstances behind poor performances aren't being treated with the kiddie gloves that some are treating Tabs with (Draper's the only exception really).

"Jackson played crap" while somewhat defending Tabs' 1 whole score involvement while managing to hold Weitering to 21 touches is also very strange to me. Jackson got beat in the ruck, fumbled some marks, and made a poor call that led to the game-winning goal. These past 2 games should show all the "should Jackson play ruck over Darcy" crowd that Jackson is best used in the contest in bursts, not full games, and that Darcy is still obviously our best ruck. He also got 13 CPs, 6 IPs, 4 SIs, and 5 CLRs. If you can't spot that Jackson is being judged to a standard that's galaxies away from what Tabs is, I can't help you.

It's also, to a large extent, about what's the alternatives. Tabs being poor stands out to me more than Draper being poor because next week we can drop Tabs, whereas Davies is our only alternative to Draper until the bye at least (and I think Davies is a level below Draper). If Darcy is fit this week, any argument other than "Darcy with Triple J is a far superior combo than what we've fielded the past 3 weeks" I think is obviously wrong. There's people in the changes thread arguing for Amiss out while keeping Tabs or keeping all the talls while getting Darcy back. If you don't think that's silly, I can't help you.

 

[Madas]

Surely pathetic is a massive overstatement?

Ok sorry Snuff
I’m seeing the context now

I shouldn’t go to the last page and read backwards

 

[Waterhouzin]

There really is only one solution,
We need to replay that last quarter for the full 4 premiership points, starting at the 3/4 time scores.
I’d suggest in the bye week leading up to finals.
Would certainly be interesting to watch!
Oh and different umpires please.


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[blinkd]

Is the umpire didn't hear what Jordan said, How is that dissent?

Yea if what Ralph says its true its dumbfounding that you pay a free kick without hearing what is said. Its like the Cogniglio free kick when he just threw his hands in the air.

 

[BigTacoBandit]

Umpire no9 Stevic I believe it is called play on. I can’t remember where I saw this and please don’t make me relive the last 2 mins

I've sadly relived and couldn't see or hear any umpire say it was touched. I don't think it happened.

 

[FreoRicci]

Can Clark sue for defamation?
That’s some seriously accusatory claims by an umpire, regardless of whether he gambled or not?

 

[eastfreo75]

Yea if what Ralph says its true its dumbfounding that you pay a free kick without hearing what is said. Its like the Cogniglio free kick when he just threw his hands in the air.

Seems like Jordan was chatting too much to the umpires during the game, and they wanted revenge.

 

[vidwhal]

With all due respect MJ’s first years are nothing like Mundy’s. Mundy was an effective half back almost from the start and his accurate kicking was already prominent. There’s no comparison mate, they’re nothing alike

Sorry mate. Don't take it too literally. It's the sentiment behind it I'm highlighting.
People need to be patient. Johnsons got it in him.