Review Fremantle Contest a Game in South Australia

[Snuffaluphagus]

Carlton peeps, come on, no one on here wants your advice, stay out

Edit: holy **** Carlton people, how can you think anyone here wants your input on umpires or anything to do with the game. Stay out or get pointed

 

[Purple Jesus]

Have been critical of Tabs forward craft.

However his bit of non body work to allow Amiss to mark in the last was superb.

Stepped in front of Weitering, then in front of McGovern without body contact but it was enough.
Good stuff

He used his ‘getting in the way’ powers for good instead of evil.

 

[hoss]

I've made 2 whole posts about Tabs, both replies to claims that he's not so bad when I think he has been poor. If someone wants to make claims about some of those others that I believe are absurd or treating them with kiddie gloves, I'll respond to them too. But nobody is claiming Brayshaw was a pinpoint kick or that Treacy wasn't fumbly, and if anything some of the others with extenuating circumstances behind poor performances aren't being treated with the kiddie gloves that some are treating Tabs with (Draper's the only exception really).

"Jackson played crap" while somewhat defending Tabs' 1 whole score involvement while managing to hold Weitering to 21 touches is also very strange to me. Jackson got beat in the ruck, fumbled some marks, and made a poor call that led to the game-winning goal. These past 2 games should show all the "should Jackson play ruck over Darcy" crowd that Jackson is best used in the contest in bursts, not full games, and that Darcy is still obviously our best ruck. He also got 13 CPs, 6 IPs, 4 SIs, and 5 CLRs. If you can't spot that Jackson is being judged to a standard that's galaxies away from what Tabs is, I can't help you.

It's also, to a large extent, about what's the alternatives. Tabs being poor stands out to me more than Draper being poor because next week we can drop Tabs, whereas Davies is our only alternative to Draper until the bye at least (and I think Davies is a level below Draper). If Darcy is fit this week, any argument other than "Darcy with Triple J is a far superior combo than what we've fielded the past 3 weeks" I think is obviously wrong. There's people in the changes thread arguing for Amiss out while keeping Tabs or keeping all the talls while getting Darcy back. If you don't think that's silly, I can't help you.

I've not said Tabs has been anything more than serviceable the last three games. He'll be out with Darc coming back in. You singled him out by cherry picking one stat. He may have one SI on the stats sheet but Jye doesn't get a mark and kick for goal in the last without the work of Tabs. Jye doesn't goal last week without the work of Tabs. He's 'not involved' but you failed to notice that the same stats sheet says he had more tackles inside 50 than Walters or Emmett or Freddie or Treacy, even more tackles in the game than Fyfe or Johnson. If you don't hold our small forwards to account for not tackling, I'm not sure why you expect so much from a lumbering and cooked Tabs.

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[hoss]

Yea if what Ralph says its true its dumbfounding that you pay a free kick without hearing what is said. Its like the Cogniglio free kick when he just threw his hands in the air.

Yet Kane Cornes has already determined that Clark's dissent was 'vicious'. What a clown.

 

[genac]

Who's woken up nice and flat this morning?

I love a win and I can handle a loss but I felt in shock and confused after yesterday's robbery game. My take on it now is whatever was meant to happen because Aish touched the ball with his arm should of. If people at the game say the umpire near Aish called ball touched play on and then the next umpire paid the mark then the second umpire doesn't want to hear about what the other umpire said before the mark or after the kick because he had decided its his call for whatever reason..Final decision was an obvious scapegoat and a guaranteed win for a team that needed help.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

I've not said Tabs has been anything more than serviceable the last three games. He'll be out with Darc coming back in. You singled him out by cherry picking one stat. He may have one SI on the stats sheet but Jye doesn't get a mark and kick for goal in the last without the work of Tabs. Jye doesn't goal last week without the work of Tabs. He's 'not involved' but you failed to notice that the same stats sheet says he had more tackles inside 50 than Walters or Emmett or Freddie or Treacy, even more tackles in the game than Fyfe or Johnson. If you don't hold our small forwards to account for not tackling, I'm not sure why you expect so much from a lumbering and cooked Tabs.

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We could go in circles here on and on. Switta's goal was an advantage being played from a Jye free kick, and Walters' goal came 30 seconds after Weitering decapitated Jye on a no-call. If he slots those 2, 3 goals suddenly looks a decent game from him.

The pressure thing was not per se meant as a critique of Tabs - he's exceeding low expectations in that regard. Rather, it was in reply to a comment that was crapping on Amiss and Treacy to make the point that Tabs isn't a problem. Within the confines of replying to that comment, the relevant focus is Tabs compared to Amiss and Treacy, not Tabs compared to Emmett. It was a part of my argument that Amiss and Treacy have been better than Tabs going through these 3 games (even with Amiss on a downpatch accuracy wise and Treacy's average position being centre half back at stages). It's rather telling that JL chose a tall defender over Tabs (or Voss for that matter, who I think got a bit too much "new flavour of the month" love), and that apart from the injury, hindsight is showing JL made the right call.

 

[mike91]

Jackson was awful.
Do you feel better now?
He’s a premiership player, yes, but he’s only 22.
Geez there are some ridiculous expectations being placed on our young KPs

So because he's a premiership player, he's not capable of playing a bad/awful game?

Wtf kind of logic is that?

This board can write off Erasmus, but God forbid I say a player played one single bad game

 

[Raz]

Sadly too many players ahd a bad game, so no point singling out anyone . Now it up to them to turn it around against an on fire Port Adeliade. i not hopeful and the upcoming Bulldogs game is looking dangerous too.

Hopefully West Coast have had thier one good game for the year and dont save it for Derby day.

 

[WilloTree]

God, this can't be true.

 

[vidwhal]

Jesus, if you value your big footy reading device, do not go to the Fremantle Under Longmuir thread

#StreisandEffect

 

[blue shark]

God, this can't be true.

Umps needed something to help the
love child.
Look at the Blues leading the free kick count, its not by accident.

 

[FreoRicci]

I've not said Tabs has been anything more than serviceable the last three games. He'll be out with Darc coming back in. You singled him out by cherry picking one stat. He may have one SI on the stats sheet but Jye doesn't get a mark and kick for goal in the last without the work of Tabs. Jye doesn't goal last week without the work of Tabs. He's 'not involved' but you failed to notice that the same stats sheet says he had more tackles inside 50 than Walters or Emmett or Freddie or Treacy, even more tackles in the game than Fyfe or Johnson. If you don't hold our small forwards to account for not tackling, I'm not sure why you expect so much from a lumbering and cooked Tabs.

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Haven’t seen Amiss been serviceable either in that regard.
Apart from 4 goals he managed from 6 disposals, he hasn’t taken advantage of having the second/third defender.
Tabs took on Weitering and brought him out of the 50. Amiss had Kemp, who took a game high 14 marks. Jye himself only had 4 disposals. What’s the difference in what Jackson would bring that Amiss’ output would suddenly increase?

 

[DockerDerek]

I have to shake my head at the disrespect shown to Tabs here.

For someone returning from a serious back injury, he’s shown enough to indicate he can be a very handy player for us this year. Given the seriousness of his injury there’s potential for more improvement.

That said, if Darcy is ready Tabs probably gets a rest next week.

 

[Wray27]

So because he's a premiership player, he's not capable of playing a bad/awful game?

Wtf kind of logic is that?

This board can write off Erasmus, but God forbid I say a player played one single bad game

Re read the post. That’s exactly what I’m saying.
I’m saying you and many others are being way too harsh on him for having a bad game.
I said it several threads, he had a bad game

 

[vidwhal]

Worried about Amiss, he doesn’t have the big game fire that champion players have from day 1

The man played hardcore Bunbury footy right? He'll be totally fine.

 

[Raz]

Umps needed something to help the
love child.
Look at the Blues leading the free kick count, its not by accident.

RANK	TEAM	PLAYER	GAMES	TOTAL	AVERAGE
1​	​	Max Gawn​	5​	15​	3.00​
2​	​	Matthew Rowell​	4​	14​	3.50​
3​	​	Brodie Grundy​	5​	13​	2.60​
4​	​	Jack Viney​	5​	12​	2.40​
5​	​	Tom Liberatore​	4​	11​	2.75​
6​	​	Tristan Xerri​	4​	10​	2.50​
7​	​	Isaac Heeney​	5​	10​	2.00​
8​	​	Patrick Cripps​	4​	9​	2.25​
9​	​	Tom Mitchell​	4​	9​	2.25​
10​	​	Rowan Marshall​	4​	9​	2.25​
11​	​	Harley Reid​	4​	9​	2.25​
12​	​	Tim Taranto​	5​	9​	1.80​
13​	​	Max King​	3​	8​	2.67​
14​	​	Connor Rozee​	4​	8​	2.00​
15​	​	Oscar McInerney​	4​	8​	2.00​
16​	​	Cameron Zurhaar​	4​	8​	2.00​
17​	​	Tom De Koning​	4​	8​	2.00​
18​	​	Zach Merrett​	4​	8​	2.00​
19​	​	James Sicily​	4​	8​	2.00​
20​	​	Matt Crouch​	4​	8​	2.00​

 

[theGav56]

I dunno about this. Thought we were fine offensively bar execution.

Not letting the opposition do what they want is good attractive footy to me

That's great day. But I'm hoping for a game plan that enables Amiss to kick goals. And that features Clark, Frederick, and co running past opponents.

I'm struggling to remember a Fremantle mark from the game. We took heaps though.

 

[vidwhal]

Is Michael Pell an Umpire?
Did he himself previously abused some people?

Pell is a cheat and would do well to shut that trap of his.

 

[Ge3ks]

 

[dropbear101]

He certainly deserved to be dragged but it ended up being too early for tactical sub. You can’t carry a player who is playing so poorly they are tactically subbed before 3QT.

He needs to be dropped, and I think he needs enormous improvement before he is a full time midfielder. He just doesn’t have it at the moment, not in the same way it was obvious that Serong, Brayshaw or Young had it at an early age. If he doesn’t fix his game up he won’t make 100 games at Freo.

disagree, brayshaw was a slow burn. people forget that some people on this board were trying to say he was a bust

 

[Joao]

disagree, brayshaw was a slow burn. people forget that some people on this board were trying to say he was a bust

And Cerra.

He didn't really hit his straps until last year.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Haven’t seen Amiss been serviceable either in that regard.
Apart from 4 goals he managed from 6 disposals, he hasn’t taken advantage of having the second/third defender.
Tabs took on Weitering and brought him out of the 50. Amiss had Kemp, who took a game high 14 marks. Jye himself only had 4 disposals. What’s the difference in what Jackson would bring that Amiss’ output would suddenly increase?

I am wondering why Weitering took Taberner, is it because he was the greatest threat or was it because it allowed him to play 20m off him?

I think it was the later, and that is why he dominated in the game.

 

[FreoGirl]

Can Clark sue for defamation?
That’s some seriously accusatory claims by an umpire, regardless of whether he gambled or not?

I feel like he should - this incident could be very damaging

I am sorry, but I still believe JLo should have protected him. Even Fagan said he had no idea about what happened with his boys in Las Vegas, and we all know he did. He did what any coach would do and stuck up for them.

 

[FreoGirl]

Sadly too many players ahd a bad game, so no point singling out anyone . Now it up to them to turn it around against an on fire Port Adeliade. i not hopeful and the upcoming Bulldogs game is looking dangerous too.

Hopefully West Coast have had thier one good game for the year and dont save it for Derby day.

somehow I hate WCE a little less after this.

 

[FreoGirl]

I'm livid still. How many times have we seen Cripps get away with dissent because it's..Cripps?

 

[vidwhal]

and that's the thing, Jordan isn't verbally "abusive" if in the heat of the moment he's not so incensed by the situation. I know J-Lo says the group should have kept their cool, but in the heat of battle...and it was a battle all day. We knew we were going close and 4-0 takes this group forward A LOT!

I'm sick of these umps coming out post-game and 'admitting' they got it wrong and there's zero accountability. Oh well, that's fine then. Let's just all waltz on by. It happened with the Crows last year, no?! Cost them their Finals spot. Umps 'admit' they got it wrong. This sport is very trying at times...

I know no one is perfect and it's 100% human fallibility, but it's deflating and demoralizing when it occurs too often and it clearly needs to be rectified.

I think they have to allow reviews on those kicks i50 in future. Yes, more slow down, but correct adjudication matters way more to myself.