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[Dalions]

Or just stealing rumours off reddit.

Guess we'll see.
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Haha Real Estate is booming, must be a new stadium coming.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Not sure who these guys are but they seem keen on Hamilton.

Why a Northshore Olympic Stadium Trumps Victoria Park & Gabba Rebuild

With Queensland’s incoming LNP government now officially sworn in and undertaking a 100-day review of Brisbane’s Olympic stadium options, the focus has shifted back to viable urban sites following the shelving of the previous government’s QSAC proposal in Nathan.

brisbanedevelopment.com

I get the train line but (although still just one line) but wouldn't we have issues with the post game crowd dispersal there?

Same things they said about Homebush. You know, that wonderful backwater ghost town at what is still the @rse end of Sydney, a quarter of a century later.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Maybe they could start the build on the old roof, Should be out of the flood zone then

 

[Section 5]

Some chat in today's paper apparently about Mirvac being approached about building a stadium at the old Toombul Shoppingtown site. Given the flood that wiped that place out, I'm not sure it could be considered feasible.

It does suggest there's plenty being done being the scenes with private money.

Kedron Brook defiantly subject to flooding on a regular basis.
It mostly affected the lower car park arears. And that can occur just with a heavy storm
But that last flood had everyone pulling the pin
The Shopping Centre was built a long time ago.
With more modern techniques they should be able to do something

Still too far out of the city in my opinion to run the risk of being a white elephant.
That's also one of the reasons i did not like Hamilton Northshore (8km).
As stated, the old Toombul Shopping Town has a Railway across the road and regular bus routes
Google maps state it is about 8.5 km from the city

 

[Johnny Bananas]

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Same things they said about Homebush. You know, that wonderful backwater ghost town at what is still the @rse end of Sydney, a quarter of a century later.

Except it isn't the arse end of Sydney, it's basically in the middle of the urban area. The biggest problem with Homebush is that they didn't keep adding more public transport options beyond the shuttle from Lidcombe, which is annoying to get. That will change in the coming years with a direct metro line from Sydney CBD and Parramatta CBD, plus a light rail line.

The next thing they need to fix after that is nightlife, and while that's challenging, it's not impossible to do given they've built a lot of apartments nearby in the past decade.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

Haha Real Estate is booming, must be a new stadium coming.

Lol , yeah let's all sell up where ever we live and buy in Nundah.
Get in NOW before the horse has bolted.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Kedron Brook defiantly subject to flooding on a regular basis.
It mostly affected the lower car park arears. And that can occur just with a heavy storm
But that last flood had everyone pulling the pin
The Shopping Centre was built a long time ago.
With more modern techniques they should be able to do something

Still too far out of the city in my opinion to run the risk of being a white elephant.
That's also one of the reasons i did not like Hamilton Northshore (8km).
As stated, the old Toombul Shopping Town has a Railway across the road and regular bus routes
Google maps state it is about 8.5 km from the city

Know it well - spent a lot of time in those shops as a youth.

It is better served by public transport options. 4 lines of rail. Sandgate Road and more importantly the Airport Link tunnel for moving people on buses. Quick egress by road to the east to the Gateway Motorway and the potential for people to drive to parking lots around the airport and to move them via shuttle. It’s not the worst location.

But I agree the flooding there pretty much rules it out for me, plus having the location central and having a portion of the punters leaving on foot is key. While Vic Park is a decent walk from the city, some people will hoof it like other stadia around the country.

 

[Section 5]

QSAC will be ruled out, but this guy has the potential to get us an Olympic medal in Brisbane
A long way to go and a lot of hard work but potential is huge.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/gout-gout-blows-queensland-away/video/e1ebab8acd1a48cbc0dbf676ca2982dd

 

[Grasshopper17]

Except it isn't the arse end of Sydney, it's basically in the middle of the urban area. The biggest problem with Homebush is that they didn't keep adding more public transport options beyond the shuttle from Lidcombe, which is annoying to get. That will change in the coming years with a direct metro line from Sydney CBD and Parramatta CBD, plus a light rail line.

The next thing they need to fix after that is nightlife, and while that's challenging, it's not impossible to do given they've built a lot of apartments nearby in the past decade.

So the primary comment still stands; it's a stadium and a precinct which people detest going to, 25 years on from the Olympics. Replicate that here and we're complaining in a similar manner until 2060.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

So the primary comment still stands; it's a stadium and a precinct which people detest going to, 25 years on from the Olympics. Replicate that here and we're complaining in a similar manner until 2060.

Sure, if they make all the same mistakes and don't learn anything from it. I'd like to think that our government, for all their faults, can at least do that.

 

[Section 5]

Below image 1 from Brisbane Times article mentioned in Perrip post 5542, as the Quirk Vic Park site.
My reply post 5545 basically doubted there was enough space and also straddles the Inner Northern Busway.
But Quirk's information should know more than me
To give people an idea of the land size.
The underground section of the Inner northern Busway (it's about 90-100cm beneath the surface) is about 135 meters

There was work in the area when i visited recently.
It looked nearly finished (a few weeks left) but until now i did not know what it was.
The blue lines on the map (image 1) is the nearly completed work section which started in October 2023.
The 2nd image is the intended final result.
Note there are no trees in the area yet, except on the very edges of Herston Road and the Inner Northern Busway.

Image 1


Image 2

 

[Elixuh]

Victoria Park is the best option for this project by daylight. The area is so big that in addition to the stadium infrastructure you can upgrade the parklands into something that is more useable and build other infrastructure on the site including housing, shops and restaurants. It is close to public transport and the CBD. It then also frees up the Gabba site to build more housing, shops etc.

At the moment the Victoria Park site is completely underutilised and needs significant spending to transform it. Even with the money that has already been earmarked by the BCC, that won't happen unless there is a major project developed on site.

The only downside is the topography of the site so things need to be pretty carefully planned out.

 

[Section 5]

Victoria Park is the best option for this project by daylight. The area is so big that in addition to the stadium infrastructure you can upgrade the parklands into something that is more useable and build other infrastructure on the site including housing, shops and restaurants. It is close to public transport and the CBD. It then also frees up the Gabba site to build more housing, shops etc.

At the moment the Victoria Park site is completely underutilised and needs significant spending to transform it. Even with the money that has already been earmarked by the BCC, that won't happen unless there is a major project developed on site.

The only downside is the topography of the site so things need to be pretty carefully planned out.

I agree the site is the best option for an international standard stadium. Also, better for Lions and cricket.
However, the bolded is just not going to happen in my opinion. Maybe some restaurants attached to the stadium perimeter.

It will be hard enough to get a smooth approval process should the LNP give just a stadium build the green light.
The proposed BCC master plan will go ahead in some format or other and should be integrated into any stadium build.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

Victoria Park is the best option for this project by daylight. The area is so big that in addition to the stadium infrastructure you can upgrade the parklands into something that is more useable and build other infrastructure on the site including housing, shops and restaurants. It is close to public transport and the CBD. It then also frees up the Gabba site to build more housing, shops etc.

At the moment the Victoria Park site is completely underutilised and needs significant spending to transform it. Even with the money that has already been earmarked by the BCC, that won't happen unless there is a major project developed on site.

The only downside is the topography of the site so things need to be pretty carefully planned out.

I agree and disagree with what you are saying and at the end of the day it comes down to how you see the city progressing with it's requirements.
Totally agree with Victoria Park being the best site for a stadium.
But I don't see why genuine green space has to be transformed into housing or restaurants , shops to be the only way the space is utilised for the best of the city.

I think the Bcc plan to create activity and spaces alone would bring people into the area and even if you don't go into the area to walk, bike ride, rope climb etc. it is still important for the diversity of plants and animals and the pure sanity of ourselves.
I believe if you think the last part is not important then I would say this.
With the densification of Brisbanes suburbs , not only inner city but all suburbs , that if not so much now but in 20 even 30 years this space will be so valuable for the function of a city.

Now having said that , there is still space for maybe one or two of these being a stadium or public housing or a string of restaurants or a Indoor Stadium but to have all , this bold plan to have all these builds is a slap in the face for anyone wanting only the Bcc proposal. Put it simply if we are going to get a stadium into Vic Park , that alone will be a comprimise for what is already planned.

And the need for restaurants close to the new stadium ,lets face it the MCG hasn't got restaurants close by ,you have a long walk in, and I have no problem doing this.
I think we are just spoiled with the Gabba precint, but as we all know the site of the stadium is too limited.

I would say no to a restaurant precint or any housing developements unless it's on a smaller scale for Hospital residents.
As I said ealier there are plenty of places around the City where there are 6 or 8 story residential buildings going up around the suburbs so why we have to use this space I just don't get that argument at all.

I would say something like Quirks proposal is where I sit.

 

[Macca225]

Still clear as mud

 

[Dalions]

I agree and disagree with what you are saying and at the end of the day it comes down to how you see the city progressing with it's requirements.
Totally agree with Victoria Park being the best site for a stadium.
But I don't see why genuine green space has to be transformed into housing or restaurants , shops to be the only way the space is utilised for the best of the city.

I think the Bcc plan to create activity and spaces alone would bring people into the area and even if you don't go into the area to walk, bike ride, rope climb etc. it is still important for the diversity of plants and animals and the pure sanity of ourselves.
I believe if you think the last part is not important then I would say this.
With the densification of Brisbanes suburbs , not only inner city but all suburbs , that if not so much now but in 20 even 30 years this space will be so valuable for the function of a city.

Now having said that , there is still space for maybe one or two of these being a stadium or public housing or a string of restaurants or a Indoor Stadium but to have all , this bold plan to have all these builds is a slap in the face for anyone wanting only the Bcc proposal. Put it simply if we are going to get a stadium into Vic Park , that alone will be a comprimise for what is already planned.

And the need for restaurants close to the new stadium ,lets face it the MCG hasn't got restaurants close by ,you have a long walk in, and I have no problem doing this.
I think we are just spoiled with the Gabba precint, but as we all know the site of the stadium is too limited.

I would say no to a restaurant precint or any housing developements unless it's on a smaller scale for Hospital residents.
As I said ealier there are plenty of places around the City where there are 6 or 8 story residential buildings going up around the suburbs so why we have to use this space I just don't get that argument at all.

I would say something like Quirks proposal is where I sit.

Yep, if you want it to be a precinct with restaurants and accomodation then it needs to be either Hamilton or the Gabba.
Can’t take more land from the Greens for that sort of thing.
That’s why Brisbane Bold never really got off the ground.
There is a restaurant precinct around the ekka grounds I believe.
Which is close to VIC Park.

 

[Bjo187]

Still clear as mud

What? I never knew he said they won't be doing Victoria park, news to me. It's concerning he's saying that post election. He's literally ruled out everything but the gabba, before the review has even happened, it's a strange strategy if he's even going to consider backflipping, why put yourself in that position when you don't have to?

The gabba is a really bad idea too, I don't get why government can't see Victoria park is such the obvious solution to all problems, it's staggering.

 

[Elixuh]

I agree and disagree with what you are saying and at the end of the day it comes down to how you see the city progressing with it's requirements.
Totally agree with Victoria Park being the best site for a stadium.
But I don't see why genuine green space has to be transformed into housing or restaurants , shops to be the only way the space is utilised for the best of the city.

I think the Bcc plan to create activity and spaces alone would bring people into the area and even if you don't go into the area to walk, bike ride, rope climb etc. it is still important for the diversity of plants and animals and the pure sanity of ourselves.
I believe if you think the last part is not important then I would say this.
With the densification of Brisbanes suburbs , not only inner city but all suburbs , that if not so much now but in 20 even 30 years this space will be so valuable for the function of a city.

Now having said that , there is still space for maybe one or two of these being a stadium or public housing or a string of restaurants or a Indoor Stadium but to have all , this bold plan to have all these builds is a slap in the face for anyone wanting only the Bcc proposal. Put it simply if we are going to get a stadium into Vic Park , that alone will be a comprimise for what is already planned.

And the need for restaurants close to the new stadium ,lets face it the MCG hasn't got restaurants close by ,you have a long walk in, and I have no problem doing this.
I think we are just spoiled with the Gabba precint, but as we all know the site of the stadium is too limited.

I would say no to a restaurant precint or any housing developements unless it's on a smaller scale for Hospital residents.
As I said ealier there are plenty of places around the City where there are 6 or 8 story residential buildings going up around the suburbs so why we have to use this space I just don't get that argument at all.

I would say something like Quirks proposal is where I sit.

I agree the site is the best option for an international standard stadium. Also, better for Lions and cricket.
However, the bolded is just not going to happen in my opinion. Maybe some restaurants attached to the stadium perimeter.

It will be hard enough to get a smooth approval process should the LNP give just a stadium build the green light.
The proposed BCC master plan will go ahead in some format or other and should be integrated into any stadium build.

The housing and shops bit is my idea of what should happen with the site, not a view that it will happen. Cover over the train/icb and connect with the park on the other side. The footprint of a residential + shopping precinct would be small relative to the whole site and much less than the land gained by covering over the train/icb.

 

[Section 5]

Still clear as mud

I have followed Crisafulli's statements from 12 months before the election
At no time has he mentioned specifically Victoria Park to my recollection.
He has stated repeatedly "no new stadium" and more recently "wait and see after the 100-day review"
He may be taking the statement "no new stadium" and tagging it to Vic Park or any other place being obvious to everyone. Nothing has been obvious about our major Olympic venue choices, and still isn't.
However, you can also tag the statement "no new stadium" to a "Gabba rebuild"
Thats a new stadium. No other way to describe it.

The only thing that pleases me is finally someone is querying the $2.5 billion Brisbane Arene situation.
I have written to enough people and politicians for this to finally come to the discussion stage.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

The housing and shops bit is my idea of what should happen with the site, not a view that it will happen. Cover over the train/icb and connect with the park on the other side. The footprint of a residential + shopping precinct would be small relative to the whole site and much less than the land gained by covering over the train/icb.

Exactly. I think it's a case of build it and they will come in terms of that sort of thing.

I was playing around this morning and had a look at the Brisbane Bold location for a stadium which makes the most sense the further I look at it.

Like I've said previously, I've spent a bit of time on weekends in the park. The Purple hachured areas are the areas of the park I'd consider poorly utilised. That area on the south of the park next to Gregory Terrace (bottom of the image) is crying out for better usage - I can't recall seeing anyone ever using that area.



Next image shows the same, but with the BB site. It really leaves a lot of parkland, especially it you start to factor in any plaza areas made by covering the Inner City Bypass and rail.



Let's zoom in to the footprint for the stadium itself. This is an approximation based on the standard IAAF Olympic standard layout. The thick orange rings represent the outside of the stadium and the thinner orange ring is the inside footprint of the stands for Olympic Competition. They're mismatched to allow the width of a footy field (which here is the dimensions of the Gabba shown in light green).



As you can see, if you allow for the BB plan which seems to use ground level of 27m ASL for the plaza areas around the stadium, there's is very little removal of earth (pink hachured). This would allow the stadium to be built above the natural ground level and allow the drainage through York's Hollow waterhole underneath, as well as whatever infrastructure needed there.



Even the orientation of the proposed stadium works to let more natural light in winter.

If I get time later, I'll try and mock up the stadium in different locations.

 

[Dalions]

I have followed Crisafulli's statements from 12 months before the election
At no time has he mentioned specifically Victoria Park to my recollection.
He has stated repeatedly "no new stadium" and more recently "wait and see after the 100-day review"
He may be taking the statement "no new stadium" and tagging it to Vic Park or any other place being obvious to everyone. Nothing has been obvious about our major Olympic venue choices, and still isn't.
However, you can also tag the statement "no new stadium" to a "Gabba rebuild"
Thats a new stadium. No other way to describe it.

The only thing that pleases me is finally someone is querying the $2.5 billion Brisbane Arene situation.
I have written to enough people and politicians for this to finally come to the discussion stage.

I guess he could be thinking that anything done at the Gabba could be a direct replacement for an existing stadium. So not necessarily a “new stadium”.
Or he is considering the renovation/extension model rather than a complete re-build?

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I just checked out the BB plans and I've moved the stadium a little north east of where they had it, but it's roughly the same locations.

And for anyone unfamiliar with the area, here's a nice little drone view from Google: https://maps.app.goo.gl/dZSwZHma7wWw1W3k9

 

[Grasshopper17]

Exactly. I think it's a case of build it and they will come in terms of that sort of thing.

I was playing around this morning and had a look at the Brisbane Bold location for a stadium which makes the most sense the further I look at it.

Like I've said previously, I've spent a bit of time on weekends in the park. The Purple hachured areas are the areas of the park I'd consider poorly utilised. That area on the south of the park next to Gregory Terrace (bottom of the image) is crying out for better usage - I can't recall seeing anyone ever using that area.

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Next image shows the same, but with the BB site. It really leaves a lot of parkland, especially it you start to factor in any plaza areas made by covering the Inner City Bypass and rail.

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Let's zoom in to the footprint for the stadium itself. This is an approximation based on the standard IAAF Olympic standard layout. The thick orange rings represent the outside of the stadium and the thinner orange ring is the inside footprint of the stands for Olympic Competition. They're mismatched to allow the width of a footy field (which here is the dimensions of the Gabba shown in light green).

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As you can see, if you allow for the BB plan which seems to use ground level of 27m ASL for the plaza areas around the stadium, there's is very little removal of earth (pink hachured). This would allow the stadium to be built above the natural ground level and allow the drainage through York's Hollow waterhole underneath, as well as whatever infrastructure needed there.

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Even the orientation of the proposed stadium works to let more natural light in winter.

If I get time later, I'll try and mock up the stadium in different locations.

Love this! Thanks for the effort you've gone to here. My only comment would be that I'd anticipate any stadium built there would be much closer to a circle than the oval you seem to have presented there. The overlay there would end up being more like Kardinia Park which arguably is not what we want.

 

[Elixuh]

I think the other thing that is underplayed is you can't build a 60k stadium at Vic park and then not spend a lot of $$$ on the surrounding site and parkland, if not for the reason that you can't have 60k people dispersing into an old dark golf course.

 

[Nunez]

The best part about the proposed Vic Park stadium placement is that it's safe from any potential asteroid impact. Scientists have already run many models and have confirmed it will be safe: