Preview Geelong V North Sun Jul 9 110pm @ GMHBA

[Gunf]

we don't have the luxury right now of sitting a good midfielder in the VFL to "capture form"when we have close to the worst midfield in the AFL getting whooped every weekend and are fighting hard to qualify for the bottom half of the 8.

We need to run the risk and see if he can build into form in the AFL system, especially since guthrie may not return.

On this years form they aren't good though.

 

[CHAWKTS]

Menegola a sneaky chance for sub?

Don’t think so. He needs a couple of more weeks where he can play full games.

 

[cats_09]

VFL preferably.

I'm a Parfitt fan but he's not been good this year and shouldn't be in the senior team - I'd also have been happy to see Hardie named on the emergency list ahead of him

Give him a month in the VFL, no senior emergency list stuff or discussion of being the sub - he just needs a solid run of football under his belt which doesn't happen if you're in & out of the team, the sub or carry over etc

 

[CHAWKTS]

Hmm i like that but Dempsey is the player in form so would have him in the 22 over Knevitt and the sub toss up between Mullin and Knevitt.

I am surprised Hardie isn't even mentioned in that list though

That is what I would do.

But Mullin does look good (last two VFL games) as does Knevitt and Dempsey.

The Irish connection will win for sure.

Mullin will be in 22 and Dempsey sub which means Knevitt unlucky…

Of course who knows on the late change probability

 

[CHAWKTS]

You would assume Miers, Blicavs and Bruhn are certainties from our extended bench barring any injury.

So final spot and sub from Knevitt, Mullin, Dempsey, Menegola and Parfitt.

Hope Mullin gets a run in Tuohy’s milestone, and great to see Menegola close to a senior return.

I reckon it is almost a certainty

 

[geelong_crazy26]

On this years form they aren't good though.

I have no issues with playing dempsey or knevitt, but if our specific issue is a lack of quality and skill in the midfield week in week out, then surely you have to take a gamble on a known experienced quality mid returning in menegola and back him in for a month to find form.

 

[CHAWKTS]

Is "adductor" the new "managed" - third week in a row we've had a player miss due to an adductor issue but so far the first two have been available the following week:


Mark O'Connor is set to return to Geelong's line-up for Sunday's clash with North Melbourne at GMHBA Stadium.

O'Connor was a late withdrawal in last week's clash with Sydney, but has been named in the Cats' squad as they prepare to celebrate fellow Irish star Zach Tuohy's record-breaking game.

Tuohy will play his 265th AFL match - the most games by an Irish-born player in VFL/AFL history.

Jed Bews (knee) and Jake Kolodjashnij (adductor) will miss the game, but both are expected to be available next week, while Isaac Smith is being managed.

Jeremy Cameron (concussion) has been ruled out medically for Sunday's game, but got through training on Thursday and is expected to be available for next week's clash.

Geelong will name its final team on Friday evening, with the substitute to be confirmed one hour prior to the match on Sunday.

AFL Squad Selection | Round 17

Geelong has named its initial squad to take on North Melbourne on Sunday

www.geelongcats.com.au

In short - yes. Even Ceglar went from abductor to angle. when he got a real injury they needed to change!

Both of them trained today…

Assume it would have been disrepectful to manage 3.

And nobody knows what an abductor does…if somebody misses two for an abductor it will be a shock. Seems like a flat 1 week injury…

 

[cats_09]

we don't have the luxury right now of sitting a good midfielder in the VFL to "capture form"when we have close to the worst midfield in the AFL getting whooped every weekend and are fighting hard to qualify for the bottom half of the 8.

We need to run the risk and see if he can build into form in the AFL system, especially since guthrie may not return.

Based on form though, aren't Knevitt & Dempsey those couple of good midfielders?

One thing the coaches did well last year was recognise & reward current form versus the safe selection of known senior players - I'd like to think that that's something they'd continue with this year

Just maybe the hunger of a 20-yr old Mitch Knevitt will outdo what we know of a 31-yr old Menegola

 

[Gunf]

I have no issues with playing dempsey or knevitt, but if our specific issue is a lack of quality and skill in the midfield week in week out, then surely you have to take a gamble on a known experienced quality mid returning in menegola and back him in for a month to find form.

On from i would order them like this so far this year as mids.

Dempsey-Knevitt


Hardie












Gola






Parfitt

So no make them earn it

 

[Cataholic]

I'm a Parfitt fan but he's not been good this year and shouldn't be in the senior team - I'd also have been happy to see Hardie named on the emergency list ahead of him

Give him a month in the VFL, no senior emergency list stuff or discussion of being the sub - he just needs a solid run of football under his belt which doesn't happen if you're in & out of the team, the sub or carry over etc

This.

Not only will a solid stint in the VFL give him a chance to redeem himself, it'll also help the club decide his future.

 

[CHAWKTS]

I have no issues with playing dempsey or knevitt, but if our specific issue is a lack of quality and skill in the midfield week in week out, then surely you have to take a gamble on a known experienced quality mid returning in menegola and back him in for a month to find form.

They might do that. But I watched the last two VFL games and he is a long way off being back to anywhere near what he needs to be. that might come quickly (ie. long way isn’t time wise just pace of the game)…and if it does he will be given a shot ahead of the kids - fair or not

 

[Kobe Gryant]

On this years form they aren't good though.

I'd argue Menegola gets a pass. His issues are age and injury.

Parfitt is healthy, now in his prime years and performing worse than he ever has.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

In: Knevitt, Dempsey, Mullin

Out: Bews, Kolo, Smith

Let's see some flare from the young boys, they've earned it.

 

[Turbocat]

GEELONG v NORTH MELBOURNE

Sunday July 9, 1:10pm at GMHBA Stadium

CATS

B: J.Bowes, S.De Koning, Z.Guthrie

HB: J.Henry, E.Ratugolea, T.Stewart

C: M.O’Connor, Z.Tuohy, M.Duncan

HF: O.Henry, G.Rohan, T.Stengle

F: M.Holmes, T.Hawkins, B.Close

FOLL: R.Stanley, P.Dangerfield - C, T.Atkins

I/C (FROM): G.Miers, M.Blicavs, T.Bruhn, O.Dempsey, M.Knevitt, O.Mullin, S.Menegola, B.Parfitt

In: M.O’Connor, O.Dempsey, M.Knevitt, O.Mullin, S.Menegola, B.Parfitt

Out: J.Kolodjashnij (Injured), I.Smith (Managed), J.Bews (Injured)



KANGAROOS

B: A.Corr, G.Logue, B.McKay

HB: T.Thomas, H.Sheezel, L.McDonald

C: E.Ford, L.Davies-Uniacke, B.Scott

HF: C.Zurhaar, D.Tucker, J.Stephenson

F: C.Harvey, N.Larkey, P.Curtis

FOLL: T.Xerri, J.Simpkin - C, G.Wardlaw

I/C (FROM): T.Goldstein, C.Coleman-Jones, M.Bergman, H.Greenwood, C.Lazzaro, J.Ziebell, La.Young, F.Perez

In: C.Harvey, T.Xerri, C.Lazzaro, La.Young, F.Perez


Out: L.Shiels (Injured), W.Phillips (Omitted)

Why no Neale? No Cameron ..3 goals last week.. and some good marks as part of it. Not sure I understand the logic of not selecting a marking forward who can pack mark.. Rohan and Henry really are third up options.... yet down back we have at least three or four pack marking guys. It means we must pressure on ball, force rushed kicks ...meanwhile we have to have several mids all trying to be Miers like.

 

[Gunf]

Why no Neale? No Cameron ..3 goals last week.. and some good marks as part of it. Not sure I understand the logic of not selecting a marking forward who can pack mark.. Rohan and Henry really are third up options.... yet down back we have at least three or four pack marking guys. It means we must pressure on ball, force rushed kicks ...meanwhile we have to have several mids all trying to be Miers like.

He needs more time coming back from injury or he would be 100% in

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Why no Neale? No Cameron ..3 goals last week.. and some good marks as part of it. Not sure I understand the logic of not selecting a marking forward who can pack mark.. Rohan and Henry really are third up options.... yet down back we have at least three or four pack marking guys. It means we must pressure on ball, force rushed kicks ...meanwhile we have to have several mids all trying to be Miers like.

Still doesn't have the match fitness. It's two games all year after a foot/ankle? His conditioning wouldn't be there.

I love him, and think he's going to be a superstar...but he's not ready.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

They might do that. But I watched the last two VFL games and he is a long way off being back to anywhere near what he needs to be. that might come quickly (ie. long way isn’t time wise just pace of the game)…and if it does he will be given a shot ahead of the kids - fair or not

he might be past it, but given the predicament we are in dempsey or knevitt are not going to turn up and get 25-3- touches in the midfield and go head to head with the best midfielders just yet, you can bank that..... I feel menegola if he finds some form can match it and go another level.

if the aim is the flag, i am all for the risk of it going bust or pulling it off if we still think we are a genuine contender.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Based on form though, aren't Knevitt & Dempsey those couple of good midfielders?

One thing the coaches did well last year was recognise & reward current form versus the safe selection of known senior players - I'd like to think that that's something they'd continue with this year

Just maybe the hunger of a 20-yr old Mitch Knevitt will outdo what we know of a 31-yr old Menegola

I see it having a bit more too it than just form in the VFL. Sometimes you have to back in the elder statesmen if you have belief in what they once produced to reproduce it again. People talk about getting games and belief only with the kids, but what about the elder statesman with proven runs on the board? it should go both ways.

Menegola will not be better off for a month in the VFL system, he will be better off with a month in the AFL system.

i would go further and ask the question, if we are trying to win the flag, who would be a better contributor in 2023?

a fully fit menegola up and running, or a fully fit dempsey or knevitt up and firing?

i know my answer for the here and now of a flag attempt who to build form into. But in terms of future output, obviously the latter two get the nodd. And will all due respect to those two kids, they have shown very little at AFL to give confidence they will be future locks at AFL level, but the signs are promising from the exposure so far.

 

[Turbocat]

Still doesn't have the match fitness. It's two games all year after a foot/ankle? His conditioning wouldn't be there.

I love him, and think he's going to be a superstar...but he's not ready.

What was the approach with Hawkins? ...but yeah maybe. The sides seems unbalanced to me.

 

[Grimoz]

I thought Ziebel got injured last week, surprised to see him picked.

 

[Turbocat]

I'm a Parfitt fan but he's not been good this year and shouldn't be in the senior team - I'd also have been happy to see Hardie named on the emergency list ahead of him

Give him a month in the VFL, no senior emergency list stuff or discussion of being the sub - he just needs a solid run of football under his belt which doesn't happen if you're in & out of the team, the sub or carry over etc

Parfitt selection reeks of fattening the calf. How do his stats look compare to Hardie?

 

[cats_09]

In: Knevitt, Dempsey, Mullin

Out: Bews, Kolo, Smith

Let's see some flare from the young boys, they've earned it.

O'Connor & Bowes are already named in the starting 22, meaning there's only 1 more addition, plus the sub

That means we likely don't see all 3 of your suggested inclusions unless there's another change

 

[moond0g]

Based on form though, aren't Knevitt & Dempsey those couple of good midfielders?

One thing the coaches did well last year was recognise & reward current form versus the safe selection of known senior players - I'd like to think that that's something they'd continue with this year

Just maybe the hunger of a 20-yr old Mitch Knevitt will outdo what we know of a 31-yr old Menegola

Realistically none of them are good midfielders.

Not at AFL level, not now at least.

 

[cats_09]

Parfitt selection reeks of fattening the calf. How do his stats look compare to Hardie?

Parfitt's last 3 weeks: 20, 25 & 24 but hasn't hit the scoreboard
Hardie over the same period: 21, 14 & 14, with a behind in each of his first two matches and a couple of goals last week

Reading the match reports from those who've watched the matches, both have done nice things but not enough to warrant senior selection at this stage

 

[CHAWKTS]

he might be past it, but given the predicament we are in dempsey or knevitt are not going to turn up and get 25-3- touches in the midfield and go head to head with the best midfielders just yet, you can bank that..... I feel menegola if he finds some form can match it and go another level.

if the aim is the flag, i am all for the risk of it going bust or pulling it off if we still think we are a genuine contender.

I am not saying you are wrong. But I think relying on menegola to get us out of any predicament is just about as risky as a young fella. Remembering they chose not to play mene at the pointy end last year too

be good if he gets a game or two to test out whether he can be an option for us. no stress. But I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t make it back. Let’s see