Preview Hawks vs Saints Sat 29 Apr 1:45pm at UniTAS stadium

[Crusty Undies]

Technically if you had 21 brilliant players , you could have a 22nd who didn't do anything at all. ie ... we don't "need" him in general play or anywhere else.
HOWEVER
If its possible for someone who is standing out there anyway to get the ball and give it to a team mate, or to use their massive height to take a mark and link up play..... then that's a bonus isn't it?

Of course you're right, it's a bonus though. The most essential part of his role is to give our midfielders first use, anything more is just a bonus.

 

[Joffaboy]

We know a knee knock forces a player to miss 2 weeks.

How many for a knee jerk?

Well if it is a circle knee jerk, quite some time

 

[Joffaboy]

So Richo got outcoached yet again?

What does this mean? Outcoached?

Every time a player beats another player has the coach been outcoached?

 

[Saint Shags]

So Richo got outcoached yet again?

So please tell me what Richo could have done to combat the change?

If Longer was the only real ruckman in the team what was Richo to do? Leave him on the bench the entire time?

And what are the other times Richo has been outcoached? Im sensing you are not a fan of his at all.

 

[Crusty Undies]

So please tell me what Richo could have done to combat the change?

If Longer was the only real ruckman in the team what was Richo to do? Leave him on the bench the entire time?

And what are the other times Richo has been outcoached? Im sensing you are not a fan of his at all.

Swing Carlisle into the ruck instead of Bruce for a bit maybe? Or perhaps Gilbert as some people suggested?

 

[Rors]

Exactly. It was alternative facts.

Longer was embarrassingly bad even before he copped the 'knock". Smith is a poor ruckman and Hickey was killed by Gawn, terrific in Perth, OK against Brisbane and shaded by Grundy.

Fake news from CU

CU is jealous of Melbourne....

Enough said really

 

[pebblesofsand]

So Richo got outcoached yet again?

I think you'll find that Richo got outcoached just like Simon Goodwin got outcoached.

If your only ruckman gets injured its a fair chance you might start losing the ruck contests.

 

[Saint Shags]

Swing Carlisle into the ruck instead of Bruce for a bit maybe? Or perhaps Gilbert as some people suggested?

So we still have a ruckman on the bench and lose out from the backline? Carlisle is only 5 games back from an extended lay off so I am happy to have him not in the ruck just yet. The problem is that the anticipation is that Longer should have been out on the ground for the same amount that Hickey has been. Unfortunately Longer needed more time and that was even before his niggles in the 2nd half.

Gilbo would have been just as effective as Bruce. Isnt that why people seem to want to rush Marshall in?

 

[Crusty Undies]

So we still have a ruckman on the bench and lose out from the backline? Carlisle is only 5 games back from an extended lay off so I am happy to have him not in the ruck just yet. The problem is that the anticipation is that Longer should have been out on the ground for the same amount that Hickey has been. Unfortunately Longer needed more time and that was even before his niggles in the 2nd half.

Gilbo would have been just as effective as Bruce. Isnt that why people seem to want to rush Marshall in?

I wasn't personally advocating for either tbh. You asked a question and those were the best answers I could give. FWIW though when Smith or Stanley rested forward Carlisle could be on them and then rotate with them into the ruck. May give Billy the break he needs for a couple mins and Carlisle is an elite runner from the looks of it.

 

[burningdwarf]

Lol at this Billy Longer shit.

None of us want him to fail, but he was terrible against the Cats. If Hickey had played that game his head would be being called for.

Hickey is a much better player at this point and hopefully, he plays against the Hawks.

 

[Persevering Saint]

I think if the coaches thought he wasn't up to it they wouldn't have played him. To hear some want to replace him in the side with Jason Holmes is quite frankly insulting towards Bill.

Then the coaches were wrong, as evidenced by his performance, especially in the second half.

 

[Saint Shags]

I wasn't personally advocating for either tbh. You asked a question and those were the best answers I could give. FWIW though when Smith or Stanley rested forward Carlisle could be on them and then rotate with them into the ruck. May give Billy the break he needs for a couple mins and Carlisle is an elite runner from the looks of it.

I think I can see why Richo uses Bruce rather than Carlisle. Most of the teams we have played have played a tallish forward line which has hurt the ability to change our backline. Whereas we can interchange Bruce for Roo while Hickey/Longer are off getting a rest. Problem against Geelong was they didnt just have 1 capable of going in the ruck they had 3. And there was no way we were putting Blicavs original opponent (Roo) in to combat and Carlisle was desperately needed in defence. Gilbo perhaps could have been a stop gap but I think unfortunately would have been worse than Bruce.

 

[VDS66]

Then the coaches were wrong, as evidenced by his performance, especially in the second half.

In: Kingsley

Out: Richo

 

[FQFjt]

Lol at this Billy Longer shit.

None of us want him to fail, but he was terrible against the Cats. If Hickey had played that game his head would be being called for.

Hickey is a much better player at this point and hopefully, he plays against the Hawks.

Longer's tapwork was average at best. It's his round the ground stuff that is totally deplorable. When Longer takes possession in open play it's an almost guaranteed turn over. His reaction time last week between receiving ball and disposing of ball (in open play) was no better than Holmes.

 

[my name was taken]

Like Spencer White apparently being the best footballer to ever step foot inside the saints footy club?

Its like you've never seen Space-Jam, Buddy is an alien that came to earth and stole Whites talent.

 

[Crusty Undies]

I think I can see why Richo uses Bruce rather than Carlisle. Most of the teams we have played have played a tallish forward line which has hurt the ability to change our backline. Whereas we can interchange Bruce for Roo while Hickey/Longer are off getting a rest. Problem against Geelong was they didnt just have 1 capable of going in the ruck they had 3. And there was no way we were putting Blicavs original opponent (Roo) in to combat and Carlisle was desperately needed in defence. Gilbo perhaps could have been a stop gap but I think unfortunately would have been worse than Bruce.

All true. Not sure how much worse than Bruce you can be though tbh. He's a terrible ruckman and it ruins the rest of his game as a forward.

 

[JG22]

Dunstan keeps his spot?

 

[pebblesofsand]

Dunstan keeps his spot?

I think its Holmes in - Longer "managed"

 

[Saint Shags]

All true. Not sure how much worse than Bruce you can be though tbh. He's a terrible ruckman and it ruins the rest of his game as a forward.

In a perfect world instead of rucking the whole ground. I would have Bruce ruck in the F50 and have Hickey/Longer cover the rest therefore not needing big chunks of time off the ground. Unfortunately players need some time off the ground. Perhaps Gilbo in the ruck for those very small periods? That would bring down Bruce's role in the ruck and perhaps extend Hickey/Longers time on ground.

 

[Saint Shags]

I think its Holmes in - Longer "managed"

Probably something to do with Hawks or Collingwood.

 

[TheEnsign]

Probably something to do with Hawks or Collingwood.

Jaegar omitted for knee awareness...

 

[pebblesofsand]

Probably something to do with Hawks or Collingwood.

Chris Mayne dropped????

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

Cyril not playing woop woop!!!

 

[66sainter]

Rioli out!!!

 

[pebblesofsand]

Gears will be disappointed.