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[Sherrinator]

You really should just delete the post.

You’re allowed to scroll on hey

 

[blackshadow]

No, you are not. If you were you would understand what the connotations of that comment were. You represent the worst of Australian culture.

If you looked at them context you’d understand but and context don’t seem to play very well together.

Your seem to go around trying to find things to be outraged about.

 

[sr36]

Wasn't the whole point of the AFL appointing an external panel that it was pretty clear from the outset the claimants had no faith in the AFL to handle it properly internally?

But it's only the panel that is external and that panel is internally appointed. They've just got to step back and get it externally assessed, because they have a very vested interest.

 

[The 747]

What? And accept a comment that is as racist as black face, or the N word? In a thread about racism where the flog has been denying he is racist?

Stop throwing the word racist around like your food. Other posters have explained the meaning of that post, pls cease your tantrum.

 

[sr36]

Stop throwing the word racist around like your food. Other posters have explained the meaning of that post, pls cease your tantrum.

The fact that it is referencing another time that it most likely shouldn't have been used, doesn't cut it. Just delete it.

 

[The acurate one]

If you looked at them context you’d understand but and context don’t seem to play very well together.

Your seem to go around trying to find things to be outraged about.

Some folks are just mad for outrage, outrage is the new black.


oh well

 

[Ricketz]

OK I see you are unable to have a normal conversation. Byeeee

Not with apologists for racist twats.

 

[Ricketz]

Any more terms of abuse you’d like to throw my way?

Racist
Ignorant twat
Coward

Go on let it all out…

You are pathetic?

 

[blackshadow]

You are pathetic?

 

[QuietB]

Please do enlighten us all on how they are making these judgements.

Judgements about who?

Judgements about the players or judgements about the coaches?

Pretty sure all judgements are being made based on a deliberately emotive and one sided media article.

 

[JyeDye]

Some people really just need to take a couple of days off from this thread, it's not healthy.

 

[faible]

Like I said - of all the things he could have said...

Pathetic.

It's unfortunate given the rest of this thread, but as I've tried to explain, it's an Essendon WADA meme. Which pretty directly related to my comment to him.

You've misread the context of his comment, and launched in to some pretty detailed name-calling off the back of it.

 

[Ricketz]

Judgements about who?

Judgements about the players or judgements about the coaches?

Pretty sure all judgements are being made based on a deliberately emotive and one sided media article.

The players, the reporter, the lawyer.

 

[perplexed]

The issue is that the AFL themselves are in the firing line for anything that occurred, yet they're expecting the claimants to just along with an AFL inquiry with terms, conditions and panel set by the AFL. It should be an external inquiry.

I agree, but who is going to run the external inquiry? Neither the players not the coaches are taking legal action or making an application to have it heard elsewhere. The AFL are way too conflicted to handle this credibly, but they are being forced to invent a process and they will do it to best fit their needs.

This is all the evitable outcome of the players going to Jackson and agreeing to have their stories published. They should have got legal advice before doing this and Jackson was irresponsible not insisting that they do so. Once the allegations were made public there was no way they could be acted on without the players appearing before such as injury and having their evidence tested.

 

[faible]

Now you are trolling. I have already reported you, and hopefully the mods have the decency to get your distasteful, gutless crap out of here.

I suspect if anyone is getting posts deleted it'll be you for the personal attacks you launched in to.

The mods will be well aware of the wada meme.

Sorry.

 

[blackshadow]

Now you are trolling. I have already reported you, and hopefully the mods have the decency to get your distasteful, gutless crap out of here.

lol

Okay mate.

 

[Ricketz]

It's unfortunate given the rest of this thread, but as I've tried to explain, it's an Essendon WADA meme. Which pretty directly related to my comment to him.

You've misread the context of his comment, and launched in to some pretty detailed name-calling off the back of it.

Yes, and repeating ad nauseum shows your own ignorance of how casual racism works.

If the shoe fits.

 

[Ricketz]

I suspect if anyone is getting posts deleted it'll be you for the personal attacks you launched in to.

The mods will be well aware of the wada meme.

Sorry.

Are they well aware of what that term also means to anyone of indigenous descent reading it here?

 

[faible]

Yes, and repeating ad nauseum shows your own ignorance of how casual racism works.

If the shoe fits.

Are they well aware of what that term also means to anyone of indigenous descent reading it here?

As I keep trying to tell you, understanding the context of his comment is important before deciding it's racist.

If someone of indigenous descent is aware of the wada meme at the time they can feel free to comment, but it seems to me it's quite new to you and therefore you've decided it can only be a racist thing, used intentionally and knowingly by racist people, in an attempt to be racist.

You've also decided that understanding the context is irrelevant, despite the search function producing posts as far back as 2013 referring to the comment, quite clearly not having any mention or relation to race (unless WADA is a race now).

Sometimes context matters, understanding when and how a word is used matters - especially for a language like English where the usage of a word can change over time, and can simultaneously mean multiple things.

Take the word monkey or ape for example. It's not a racist word when used in one context, but is incredibly racist in another. Context matters.

 

[sr36]

I agree, but who is going to run the external inquiry? Neither the players not the coaches are taking legal action or making an application to have it heard elsewhere. The AFL are way too conflicted to handle this credibly, but they are being forced to invent a process and they will do it to best fit their needs.

This is all the evitable outcome of the players going to Jackson and agreeing to have their stories published. They should have got legal advice before doing this and Jackson was irresponsible not insisting that they do so. Once the allegations were made public there was no way they could be acted on without the players appearing before such as injury and having their evidence tested.

Disagree with the last paragraph, as I've got no qualms about victims sharing their stories with the press and frankly the press story will result in a much larger NDA agreement if it goes that way, which is where it's likely to head. Quick inquiry being run by a group in the firing line who the claimants don't trust. The claimants have absolutely no reason to give evidence to this inquiry - what is the advantage for them in doing so? Inadequate inquiry followed by a Non Disclosure Agreement so that it doesn't get aired in court. Voila. Unless the claimants value the point more than the money they'll be offered.

 

[gouki88]

Victim blame… you really are a struggler. They were ready to go with their story to the media a month ago, but apparently not ready to go to an inquiry now. That’s on them.

You are painfully thick

 

[gouki88]

What? And accept a comment that is as racist as black face, or the N word? In a thread about racism where the flog has been denying he is racist?

Uses a racist dogwhistle, then cries about being called out for it. Ridiculous

 

[mcnulty]

You are painfully thick

ok ad hominem rather than engage. At least it’s not with emojis this time…baby steps

 

[gouki88]

Lol what a meltdown

ok ad hominem rather than engage. At least it’s not with emojis this time…baby steps

There is nothing to engage with. Nothing of value, at least.

You're equating something done on their terms (engagement with media, participation in review) with something done on the terms of the AFL (a notorious champion of POC well-being ). That is stupid.

 

[QuietB]

I agree, but who is going to run the external inquiry? Neither the players not the coaches are taking legal action or making an application to have it heard elsewhere. The AFL are way too conflicted to handle this credibly, but they are being forced to invent a process and they will do it to best fit their needs.

This is all the evitable outcome of the players going to Jackson and agreeing to have their stories published. They should have got legal advice before doing this and Jackson was irresponsible not insisting that they do so. Once the allegations were made public there was no way they could be acted on without the players appearing before such as injury and having their evidence tested.

There is not going to be an external inquiry. There won't be an internal one either. The lawyer made it quite clear that they had other options yesterday including (this is not a direct quote) "the civil courts, we are looking at the discrimination act, human rights" - ie. we want to get paid and we will do it on our terms.

I cannot help but believe this is petty grievances being settled under the guise of "racism".