Analysis Hawthorn rebuild: are they tanking?

[Strapping Young Lad]

But you didn’t have the injuries you do now , you said it yourself

This time last year Fergus Greene was our Key Forward. Lewis was nursing a strained ACL, and Day had missed 2 matches for a tackle.
We'd lost by 81, 59 and 82 pts. Lost to the Giants by 2pts.
We had 1 win, and that was against North.

The return of Day, Lewis, Jiath, Breust, Watson and Wingard will all be welcome.

 

[Saab NLAW]

And?

I think you're missing a couple of elements that would make Hawthorn's midfield one of the best in the competition

Who?

May last year I had the audacity to have the above opinion about your midfield, the resulting replies were hilarious.

Hawk fans are so cute when they get angry

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Read my post again, it's that that hard to work it out

And yes, Hawk fans were very bullish about being a top 5 midfield, and generally got very lippy if anyoen dared to disagree with them.

You're very, very good at rewriting history, you'd be perfect working for our current Government

Hawks fans might have been bullish about their midfield going forward, but you won't find a single one saying that we had a top 5 midfield.

I read your post, you seem to think Hawthorn are in some sort of danger of middling out....when we're rolling out with 12 players under 50.

 

[SSSSSS]

May last year I had the audacity to have the above opinion about your midfield, the resulting replies were hilarious.

Hawk fans are so cute when they get angry

Still wondering who thought we had a top 5 midfield?

 

[Saab NLAW]

The return of Day, Lewis, Jiath, Breust, Watson and Wingard will all be welcome.

Jiath is ordinary, Breust is 33 and pretty much at the end of his career and Wingard...wow, imagine your season relying on a player like Wingard...fmd

 

[VinnieB]

Still wondering who thought we had a top 5 midfield?

Not difficult to find out who when you look internally.

 

[Saab NLAW]

Still wondering who thought we had a top 5 midfield?

That's nice for you, I don't really care what you're wondering. Hawk fans have proved themselves many times over in this thread, it's hilarious watching it happen

 

[VinnieB]

Jiath is ordinary, Breust is 33 and pretty much at the end of his career and Wingard...wow, imagine your season relying on a player like Wingard...fmd

I’m surprised he didn’t add Gunston to that list.

 

[boncer34]

Jiath is ordinary, Breust is 33 and pretty much at the end of his career and Wingard...wow, imagine your season relying on a player like Wingard...fmd

I thought Wingard retired.

 

[Saab NLAW]

Hawks fans might have been bullish about their midfield going forward, but you won't find a single one saying that we had a top 5 midfield.

I read your post, you seem to think Hawthorn are in some sort of danger of middling out....when we're rolling out with 12 players under 50.

How many of those 12 players do you think are elite talent?

Any team can field kids, but having elite talent is the crucial thing

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Jiath is ordinary, Breust is 33 and pretty much at the end of his career and Wingard...wow, imagine your season relying on a player like Wingard...fmd

Who said our season relied on them?

They'll all be welcomed back from injury, because young lists don't have great depth.
Pretty straight forward stuff I'd say.

 

[Saab NLAW]

Who said our season relied on them?

They'll all be welcomed back from injury, because young lists don't have great depth.
Pretty straight forward stuff I'd say.

You pretty much said it

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

You pretty much said it

Is this like how someone pretty much said Hawthorn had a top 5 midfield?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

How many of those 12 players do you think are elite talent?

Any team can field kids, but having elite talent is the crucial thing

Of those 12 players under 50 games I'd be pretty bullish on 4 of them becoming topliners for us in the years to come. With another 3-4 at Box Hill/injured who could very likely be as well.

 

[Saab NLAW]

Is this like how someone pretty much said Hawthorn had a top 5 midfield?

I was replying directly to your post, quoting the players you posted haha

It's funny watching you weasel your way around.

Still waiting for your to list the elite talent, somehow I think I'll be waiting for a very long time.

It's funny, i very occasionally visit this thread, but every time i do you're here. It's impressive how invested you are with your time on this topic

Of those 12 players under 50 games I'd be pretty bullish on 4 of them becoming topliners for us in the years to come. With another 3-4 at Box Hill/injured who could very likely be as well.

Which ones do you think are elite talents? I'm not surprised you weasel your way out of a query

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The second youngest list in the comp missing 3-4 players is equal to the Cats or Pies having 8-10 players out, because all of a sudden you’re playing too many youngsters, and surrounding them with other fringe players who are also still learning and developing rather than with experienced leaders.

Does that mean when Eagles had 18 injured last year we actually had 36 injured so should have just forfeited

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Does that mean when Eagles had 18 injured last year we actually had 36 injured so should have just forfeited

You had the 10th youngest list last year, and with that many injuries you were just plain shit.

 

[Saab NLAW]

Hawthorn fanatic posting about Hawthorn. Do you bigfooty often?


Don't really know why I'm bothering with someone who argues in bad faith, but Weddle, MacKenzie, Ward, Ramsden I'm quite bullish on talent-wise.
From the Box Hill/injured guys, McCabe, Watson, B.MacDonald and possibly Dear all have something that could make them very significant players in time.

Bad faith? Your replies all through this thread are appalling, especially considering your position here.

I said elite talent, not good ordinary players.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You had the 10th youngest list last year, and with that many injuries you were just plain s**t.

So rating the young players is wrong but judging the entire club itself on having young players is the way to go ?

I mean that’s one way to be. The reality though is you could give me every player you drafted in 2021, 2022 and 2023 and I wouldn’t give you Harley Reid because it’s just a bunch of delistables and a few players who are worth picks in the 20s. Would like Weddle though

Quality is much more important than quantity and Hawthorn are lacking that former

 

[Stottzy]

We're actually doing better than what we were this time last year. Shockers against Suns and Dee's. But other than that, we've been fairly competitive, as you'd expect with a young list. But people, including us hawks fans really have to be more patient with full rebuilds these days. They aren't as quick as what rebuilds in the 2000's were and you can almost expect to be out of finals for 4-5 years.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

So rating the young players is wrong but judging the entire club itself on having young players is the way to go ?

I mean that’s one way to be. The reality though is you could give me every player you drafted in 2021, 2022 and 2023 and I wouldn’t give you Harley Reid because it’s just a bunch of delistables and a few players who are worth picks in the 20s. Would like Weddle though

I don't even know what you're trying to argue to be fair.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I don't even know what you're trying to argue to be fair.

That having a bunch of random assortment youngsters isnt a good thing, its having the good ones that is.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Bad faith? Your replies all through this thread are appalling, especially considering your position here.

I said elite talent, not good ordinary players.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

That having a bunch of random assortment youngsters isnt a good thing, its having the good ones that is.

Cool argument. Have fun with that one with whoever you're having it with.

 

[Saab NLAW]

Thanks for proving my point.

No, you proved my point.
All your posts are pretty much the same, smug and condescending, as you liked to boast about yourself just above, you are the perfect poster boy for BF