Analysis Hawthorn rebuild: are they tanking?

[NetworkNerd]

Well that would be the last match that wasn't genuine filler material then.

I'm still going biggest since 2016.

Nah imo for that timeframe the biggest game was the debut game of the holy trinity of Ablett, Dangerfield and Selwood on Easter Monday 2018.

 

[Mr Meow]

Nah imo for that timeframe the biggest game was the debut game of the holy trinity of Ablett, Dangerfield and Selwood on Easter Monday 2018.

It's a shame they were probably two years off being able to make that combo work (2014-2016 would've been insane) but yeah that was still a fun game.

Of course games at the G are "bigger" by default. But I still see this as the most important Geelong/Hawthorn since the 2016 QF, maybe for Hawthorn supporters it's different. I believe Geelong could be back in the top 4, or Hawthorn in the top 8, depending on the result. The late 2018 game you mentioned before is the only one close to those stakes this late in the season.

 

[threesixpio]

2018 was 5th v 9th in Round 21

From 2020 we have only played once early in the season

Was that the one where Roughy kicked a point on the siren or was it the one where Danger owned full forward ? Both great games

 

[NetworkNerd]

Was that the one where Roughy kicked a point on the siren or was it the one where Danger owned full forward ? Both great games

Roughead point was 2018 Easter Monday. Was a real Rocky v Drago win

 

[threesixpio]

Roughead point was 2018 Easter Monday. Was a real Rocky v Drago win

Ah of course it was. I was in Rome ignoring my children. I remember

 

[DogDaySonny]

Tanking.

 

[sr36]

SHould be a fun game to watch, as both teams get breakneck speed on the ball. My money is on Hawks, as I think their mids will get it done.

 

[threesixpio]

SHould be a fun game to watch, as both teams get breakneck speed on the ball. My money is on Hawks, as I think their mids will get it done.

Yep our midfield is singing atm. Only worry for me is Sicily being injured otherwise I think we will do it

 

[sr36]

Yep our midfield is singing atm. Only worry for me is Sicily being injured otherwise I think we will do it

It's a big test for the Hawks I think. Mainly because of Chris Scott. Part of me thinks that Hawks style will get worked out and if anyone can do it, it's Scott.

 

[Back One Out]

5 years out of the finals and then rising from there is pretty standard for a rebuild timeline.

Except we weren’t “rebuilding” for 2 of those years (2020-21) when Clarkson was still in charge and playing senior blokes like Burgoyne, Puopolo, Smith, Shiels, Mitchell, O’Meara, McEvoy, Hartigan, Phillips, Stratton, O’Brien, Howe, Bramble, Scully, Henderson, Frawley, Ceglar, Minchington and Hartley.

That’s the main reason why he had to go.

It’s only when Sam Mitchell replaced him as head coach that we started to prioritise our youth; we moved our older guys on and and the rebuild was properly underway.

How idiotic do the so-called experts look now for saying we should’ve kept Tom Mitchell, Jaeger O’Meara, Liam Shiels and Daniel Howe instead of clearing the way for Newcombe, Day, Worpel and Nash.

It amazes me how little accountability there is for their shitty opinions. They all just move onto their next target and continue to spout their garbage and pretend they’re football gurus who know what they’re talking about.

 

[Bugs1977]

I don't usually listen to it (saw Hawks in the title) but did anyone else list to the AFL Daily pod this morning and hear Damian Barrett fawning all over us saying how unbelievable our turn around has been. You have to wonder wether this guy knows how much of a diabolical w@nka he sounds like. At the start of this season he was still rolling with that we were a tanking team

 

[Leather Poisoning]

I'm pretty confident we aren't tanking.

 

[Bugs1977]

I'm pretty confident we aren't tanking.

Time to close this thread me thinks

 

[MadMaxx]

I dont think the AFL world is convinced by our form yet..

We have lost 1 game (by 1 point with 3 seconds to go) since the end of April.
In the same time period, the Cats have staggered to a 2Win 5 Loss record..
Yet the Bookies have them as very warm favorites ($1.58 to $2.39) for this weekends game.

I am happy to fly under the radar

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

1 win and ~10% from being equal 5th.

What a rollercoaster season it has been for Hawthorn starting way back at 0-5

 

[Roddy]

I'm pretty confident we aren't tanking.

YeAh bUt dA mEdiA sAiD wE iS sO iT mUsT bE tRuE!!

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

This is our bottoming out year too, it’s got to be remembered.

 

[Philhawk]

This is our bottoming out year too, it’s got to be remembered.

My kingdom for an updated Chadwiko diagram.

 

[Caj]

Current ladder positions of teams Hawks have defeated over the last 8 weeks:

16
17
10
14
8
15
9

Form isn’t nearly as impressive as the media are making out

If they can beat Geelong then it might mean something, but I doubt they will

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Current ladder positions of teams Hawks have defeated over the last 8 weeks:

16
17
10
14
8
15
9

Form isn’t nearly as impressive as the media are making out

If they can beat Geelong then it might mean something, but I doubt they will

In any other year, you're probably right.

You can throw a blanket over 3rd-13th though, so their form is impressive nonetheless.

Clear top 2, and a clear bottom 5.

Everyone else is around the same level, and for a young side like Hawthorn to be in that discussion is a testament to their improvement.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Current ladder positions of teams Hawks have defeated over the last 8 weeks:

16
17
10
14
8
15
9

Form isn’t nearly as impressive as the media are making out

If they can beat Geelong then it might mean something, but I doubt they will

I’ll be the ying to your yang.

Hawks are doing a shitload right at the moment, and only the most simplest of analysis is done via wins/losses.

Hawks are 1st in the Comp for Disp Eff in last 5 weeks, but also…

1st for rebounds per oppo in50.
2nd for marks in50.
2nd for marks in50 per in50
3rd shots on goal per in50
2nd scores from CB
2nd scores from kick in
3rd defensive loss %
4th for scores from stoppage

Now for all the things we squeeze the opposition on while doing it well ourselves.

1st inside 50’s differential
1st mark in50 differential
1st scores from kick in diff
2nd scores from stop diff
1st scores from CB diff
2nd scores from defensive half diff
1st intercept possession diff
2nd meters gained diff
4th Centre clearance diff
4th intercept mark diff
2nd marks on lead diff

 

[Blackhawk42]

Current ladder positions of teams Hawks have defeated over the last 8 weeks:

16
17
10
14
8
15
9

Form isn’t nearly as impressive as the media are making out

If they can beat Geelong then it might mean something, but I doubt they will

3 of those sides above us on the ladder.

St.Kilda were above us when we beat them.
Adelaide may have been at the time if memory serves me correct. Regardless, it was a make or break game for both sides and we wiped them off the park, with the final scoreline flattering them.

We had the second or third (can't remember which) hardest fixture this season according to Champion Data, despite finishing bottom 4 last year.

Also lost by less than a kick to Port Adelaide and Collingwood.

I'm not even convinced the form from a win-loss perspective is sustainable for the remaining rounds, as the side is still young and developing. Downplaying one of the form teams of the competition after an ultra-impressive 8 week stretch is foolish though.

 

[Sixpence]

This is our bottoming out year too, it’s got to be remembered.

Just imagine how good we'd look if all our players hadn't peaked already!

 

[Bugs1977]

I’ll be the ying to your yang.

Hawks are doing a shitload right at the moment, and only the most simplest of analysis is done via wins/losses.

Hawks are 1st in the Comp for Disp Eff in last 5 weeks, but also…

1st for rebounds per oppo in50.
2nd for marks in50.
2nd for marks in50 per in50
3rd shots on goal per in50
2nd scores from CB
2nd scores from kick in
3rd defensive loss %
4th for scores from stoppage

Now for all the things we squeeze the opposition on while doing it well ourselves.

1st inside 50’s differential
1st mark in50 differential
1st scores from kick in diff
2nd scores from stop diff
1st scores from CB diff
2nd scores from defensive half diff
1st intercept possession diff
2nd meters gained diff
4th Centre clearance diff
4th intercept mark diff
2nd marks on lead diff

SYL I've wondered who you were on social media and now I know

 

[bzparkes]

Clearly tanking but they've got the ladder upside-down.