Hawthorn to play finals in 2024?

[VinnieB]

From round 8...

6 wins
9 losses
19% increase on percentage.

Improvement isn't always linear, but this is why some optimism is being shared.

To be fair, each second half of the season over the past few years you have performed better and got excited for the next season.

This year it may be different…..or it may not.

 

[HBFlanker]

Laughable would be North for the last decade

You have no leg to stand on criticizing any club, perennial victims

Ginnivan kicked 40 goals in a season, name a small forward 21 and under that has done that for North recently?

He would be your second best forward

We arn't, and thats just being selectively deluded

Because there's a reason he's been in the SANFL

Nah, you did it worse, you just torched pick 3 on Will Phillips

So many holes in this.

1. Ginnivan hasnt done anything for Hawthorn.
2. He would not be Norths second best forward at all. Thats complete rubbish.
3. I can criticise whoever i want. Its all opinion. Mine is Hawthorn will be rubbish this season. Bottom 4.

This isnt North vs Hawthorn, although i look forward to those contests this season.

 

[perplexed]

Hawthorn aren't playing finals this year, this feels like a troll thread.

They are building nicely and should be up there in a few years.

The same Collingwood poster created a thread about how good Mitch Lewis is yesterday. Safe to say that they are trolling Hawthorn fans. I approve.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Well, it’s over 3000 days now so kinda figured hawks supporters would be starting to come to terms with the jolting reality of these kind of rebuilds.
Good luck … you’ll need it …

Good to see the usual suspects in the “top contributors” tab.

 

[Blackhawk42]

To be fair, each second half of the season over the past few years you have performed better and got excited for the next season.

This year it may be different…..or it may not.

I'm pretty confident we'll see more of the second half of 2023 form this year than the 1-7 with a percentage of 60 form. That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

hahahaha. Talk about clueless. That forward line is genuinely laughable.

Ginnivan stinks. Chol has had one good season and Gunston is completely done.

You're relying on a 33 year old to kick your goals again.

How can you judge Pink without him playing a game for the club? He could be anything. At least we didnt torch pick 6 on him like you guys did with DGB.

Just make sure you are about on here after round 5 so we can continually laugh at you.
but no doubt you will disappear much like did last season. and good knows how many seasons before it.

pre season. North’s premiership window.

 

[Angus Young]

Miss. It´s a very competitive and close top 8 this year.

But future is good.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

A team that recruits reserves players year on year will more than than likely stagnate or regress.

Hawthorn supporters remember a recent team of ours that did ok.

They too recruited "reserves players year on year" to fill roles.

David Hale was the backup for Todd Goldstein and in the VFL but played a crucial role in 3 flags.
Brent Guerra was delisted (twice) but played a key role in 2 flags (fun fact: in over 250 games, he never experienced a loss to Carlton)
Paul Puopolo was recruited from the SANFL and played in 3 flags.
Brian Lake was being played forward by the Dogs and told he had no future at the club - was a key position star in 3 flags, including a Norm Smith win.
Isaac Smith was recruited from the VFL (and had been playing local footy earlier in the season) - was one of the game's best wingers during a threepeat era.
Josh Gibson was being played through the middle at North when he was desperate to play key defence (but they had others ahead in his preferred role) - went on to be AA and win 2 b&f's in flag years on the last line of defence.

Others, like Josh Simpkin, Matt Spangher, etc were no world beaters but were reserves that were turned into premiership players.

Not to mention, of course, the current coach himself - who was recruited from the reserves (VFL) and was pretty decent.

Those names comprise about 40% of one of the greatest teams of all time.

I think you'll find most good/premiership teams have players recruited to fill roles that were reserves at their former clubs (or from the reserves competition). Doing this effectively is one of the key building blocks for producing a decent side.

 

[Blue1980]

With their list and age profile, they’d be battling the odds to make the 8.

More likely bottom 4-5, but in a lot of games. Maybe 6-7 wins. Absolute max I’d say 9 wins.

If they have injuries problems, they could easily be dead last.

 

[Blue1980]

But we were told we wouldn't succeed ignoring the top end of the draft.

Now we're not.

But the narrative has changed to 'well every club is drafting players and developing them'. Except Hawthorn before 2019 right?

Those 2 things are interconnected.

Clarko constantly trying to top up delayed the rebuild, now they are getting access to good kids in the draft and using the picks which is good, but it will take time.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Hawthorn supporters remember a recent team of ours that did ok.

They too recruited "reserves players year on year" to fill roles.

David Hale was the backup for Todd Goldstein and in the VFL but played a crucial role in 3 flags.
Brent Guerra was delisted (twice) but played a key role in 2 flags (fun fact: in over 250 games, he never experienced a loss to Carlton)
Paul Puopolo was recruited from the SANFL and played in 3 flags.
Brian Lake was being played forward by the Dogs and told he had no future at the club - was a key position star in 3 flags, including a Norm Smith win.
Isaac Smith was recruited from the VFL (and had been playing local footy earlier in the season) - was one of the game's best wingers during a threepeat era.
Josh Gibson was being played through the middle at North when he was desperate to play key defence (but they had others ahead in his preferred role) - went on to be AA and win 2 b&f's in flag years on the last line of defence.

Others, like Josh Simpkin, Matt Spangher, etc were no world beaters but were reserves that were turned into premiership players.

Not to mention, of course, the current coach himself - who was recruited from the reserves (VFL) and was pretty decent.

Those names comprise about 40% of one of the greatest teams of all time.

I think you'll find most good/premiership teams have players recruited to fill roles that were reserves at their former clubs (or from the reserves competition). Doing this effectively is one of the key building blocks for producing a decent side.

Lmao. Hale, Lake and Gibson were not reserves players. Smith and Puopolo were players you drafted who had never set foot into the competition.

Stephens, Meek, D’Ambrosio, Chol are actual reserves players deemed not good enough by AFL clubs, and they aren’t taking you to the finals unfortunately.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Lmao. Hale, Lake and Gibson were not reserves players. Smith and Puopolo were players you drafted who had never set foot into the competition.

Stephens, Meek, D’Ambrosio, Chol are actual reserves players deemed not good enough by AFL clubs, and they aren’t taking you to the finals unfortunately.

I've not argued we'll be playing finals in 2024.

But David Hale played 2 games at AFL level in the second half of the season the year he was traded to the Hawks. He spent the rest of the time in the VFL. How is that not reserves?

Smith and Puopolo (and Mitchell) were drafted as mature agers from the competition that acts as the reserves to the AFL. Every other team had overlooked them. Surely that's even more 'reserve' than players like Meek, who Fremantle wanted to keep and had played some footy at AFL level as a young, developing ruck.

(That's of course with you ignoring that we traded in extra firsts and seconds and have drafted 2 first rounders both the last two years, picked up Amon, etc).

Our 2008 flag side also had Guerra (delisted from two clubs), Gilham (delisted), Dew (long retired and fat), etc, etc.

I'm not challenging the notion we will be playing finals in 2024. I'm challenging the notion that trading in role players that are fringe at other clubs will lead to a team 'stagnating or regressing' down the ladder. I've just focussed on my own club's recent flag sides but there are thousands of examples.

Right from Gary Ablett Snr through to recent examples like Peter Wright (reminiscent of Chol), Scrimshaw, Menegola, Darcy Cameron, etc, etc.

Collingwood just won the flag with about 20% of their team made up of players that couldn't get a game at their former club. As I said, good teams do it well.

 

[wahawk]

The key defenders are Frost and Blanck.
No wonder they went all in on McKay.

I’d take Blanck over McKay every day of the week

 

[Red Bull]

I’d take Blanck over McKay every day of the week

So you have concerns about your list management team then?

 

[wahawk]

So you have concerns about your list management team then?

Not at all

You’re either over thinking my post or trolling.

My guess is the 2nd option as the 1st would be too hard

 

[Red Bull]

Not at all

You’re either over thinking my post or trolling.

My guess is the 2nd option as the 1st would be too hard

Not sure the personal insults are necessary but anyway …
Your personal preference for Blanck over McKay was obviously not shared by the list management team.
Are you happy with the KPD pairing of Blanck and Frost?

 

[smish]

Not sure the personal insults are necessary but anyway …
Your personal preference for Blanck over McKay was obviously not shared by the list management team.
Are you happy with the KPD pairing of Blanck and Frost?

Hey man

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

But David Hale played 2 games at AFL level in the second half of the season the year he was traded to the Hawks. He spent the rest of the time in the VFL. How is that not reserves?

You can garantee old mate would be calling him a reserves player if we’d traded him in 3 months ago.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

They're already being a Thorn in people's side with out playing a single game ( see what I did there )


I'm going to enjoy this thread. Because The Hawks are going to make more than a few teams nervous this season.

 

[Roddy]

They're already being a Thorn in people's side with out playing a single game ( see what I did there )


I'm going to enjoy this thread. Because The Hawks are going to make more than a few teams nervous this season.

I agree, I think we will, but I also think we'll be inconsistent again. We'll have some great wins, but we'll also have some shockers.

 

[theiaofseed]

Not sure whether this thread was intended as a troll or not.

Last year Hawthorn's percentage dropped 10% and they lost 8 games by more than 50 points last year. This year they will be trying to turn that around and hopefully avoid the spoon. Finals are still a few years away.

Easy task with North in the league.

 

[Cyclops]

So many holes in this.

1. Ginnivan hasnt done anything for Hawthorn.
2. He would not be Norths second best forward at all. Thats complete rubbish.

He'd be your best midfielder

Ginnivan facts: AFL teams he played in never finish lower than 4th, and jag the flag 50% of the time.

Jokes aside Ginnivan will be huge for Hawthorn on field if they can put up with his off field nonsense.

He's 100% a winner, all class and instinct. All those boring lumps and brick walls, he's electricity.

He was breathtaking for us. Only Ash Johnson has a more gifted fast brain. Slow, weak, yet he scored heavily. Most people didn't see past his one obvious trick, but he's not a one trick pony. Key shepherds, sly taps, spotlight hogging so others went free, he's a fine team player.

Teams can bound up out of the bottom 4 into finals. North and the Hawks both could , North have more class obvs, but the Hawks have a shot.

 

[hawkman]

He'd be your best midfielder

Ginnivan facts: AFL teams he played in never finish lower than 4th, and jag the flag 50% of the time.

Jokes aside Ginnivan will be huge for Hawthorn on field if they can put up with his off field nonsense.

He's 100% a winner, all class and instinct. All those boring lumps and brick walls, he's electricity.

He was breathtaking for us. Only Ash Johnson has a more gifted fast brain. Slow, weak, yet he scored heavily. Most people didn't see past his one obvious trick, but he's not a one trick pony. Key shepherds, sly taps, spotlight hogging so others went free, he's a fine team player.

Teams can bound up out of the bottom 4 into finals. North and the Hawks both could , North have more class obvs, but the Hawks have a shot.

Ginnivan did play in 2021. I remember getting annoyed at his blatant ducking in a late season game. He is now fine upstanding citizen who would never resort to such low tactics

 

[TheUnicorn]

‘Carnage’: Hawks hitout turns into ‘horror’ show as star seriously hurt, defender out for the year

‘Carnage’: Hawks hitout turns into ‘horror’ show as star seriously hurt, defender out for the year

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[HBFlanker]

No Day, CJ, Moore and potentially Blanck for round 1. Not a great start for your only winnable game in the first month.

Will be 0-5.

All the best making finals from there.