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Be interested to see if they think they can win again next year, whether they can recruit well enough to keep themselves topped up, or whether they are going to go full-cull mode like North.
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Hawthorn's decision to resign it's older players
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Be interested to see if they think they can win again next year, whether they can recruit well enough to keep themselves topped up, or whether they are going to go full-cull mode like North.
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How many good players do you think would be enticed to go to clubs other than the Hawks, or some other powerhouse? Do you honestly think good players will go to weaker clubs? Lake? Burgoyne? Gunston? O'meara? Hawks have had the luxury of being able to do it 'better' because they are in premiership window, most others haven't had that luxury. Gws and Gc also further enabled them to get good players in scarce times.
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Hawthorn are the best run club in Victoria by a long shot. They are a destination club. If they could of gotten something better, they would of.
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The point of the discussion is fair, but the quantity of troll you have to push through makes it feel like the Bay. Most main board topics seem to be like this unfortunately.
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I'm surprised they re-signed all of them. Thought 1-2 of them might have called time on their careers.
Surely unless the veterans are playing on 100-200k they have some salary cap issues. Does look a bit confusing why they wouldn't retire 1-2 of them to make room for O'Meara and Mitchell. At best they offer deteriorating returns next year (started this year really with Hodge and Gibson) and at worst they could even retire mid year.
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That's ok. Don't need both. I'd try and move Breust but keep Sicily, but if both go that's room to get more mids in the side and means they keep draft picks. The sides crying out for young depth mids at half forward anyway and they can impact early like a Dunkley at the Dogs.
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Isn't that supposed to be the goal of your club, to be the club people want to play for. I wish my club would trade to fill their holes but they will go to the draft and those drafted players will all play together at East Perth for the next 3 years and our window will be closed.
The Hawks were not the power club when Burgoyne and Gunston were recruited, it was just great recruiting instead of taking a kid with hope.
Lake wanted a career change and the Hawks offered it to him, again just great recruiting. O'Meara is not there yet.
Geelong themselves might win a flag this year based on good recruiting not by going to the draft.
Of course at some point you must go to the draft, but when in a window with a solid base trading wins you flags not drafting more kids.
Wasn't Sydney top 4 last year? Or do you mean after final results?
Both of them?
Love the stats Ron.
Which other years had a completely new top4? Interested to see if the new sheriffs have a habit of kicking on or if it's a temporary thing.
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Really? I was at the game so I missed this kind of detail that you get on the tv - what was he doing?
couple of time he played the man and not the ball. the one with dalhaus didn't look great.
Hawks have been an attractive destination for a long time now and a flag in 2008 ahead of their time means they have been in window all the time since. Would Lake have gone to Melbourne then? Nope- he wanted a flag so that limits his options.
Its completely understandable that players want to go there, but its also understandable that other teams don't have their pulling power. Of course Hawks have been brilliant at identifying a need and going after it. But their success has made that possible and then it feeds on itself so its a win win for them. Good luck to them.
Possibly it may. But who on here is going to second guess that little prick Clarkson?! As long as he's leading them, they will always be competitive at a minimum.
It may backfire on them but then again, it may land them a kid who was considered a ready made star, an accumulator of hard ball and a tall bloke who is capable of kicking 40 if on his game.
This post is far more articulate than your first, you have raised some valid points and have put them in a better context. Nice work
However, my issues with your initial post were relating to 'being lucky in 2016' and... 'res-signing older players being hasty' and... questioning whether 'Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis and Burgoyne at their best' is good enough and... the 'diminishing form of Gunston, Birchall, Smith and Hill'... Out of all the players you mentioned, I personally think that Hill has been the most disappointing. All the others have performed admirably throughout the season and contributed to us finishing top 4, yet again, in one way or another. And yes, they can all perform at the highest level once again next season. I have no doubts about that.
No doubt we have fallen a peg or two but when you lose your most important player (structurally) in Roughead and combine that with the added pressure of being hunted each and every week, teams striving to match it with the best, then the fact that we got as far as we did having won three flags in a row is a testament to the playing group.
I just find it hilarious that we were literally a kick away from a prelim, with a chance to face a 50/50 battle with the Swans on our home deck to reach the big dance again, and people want to question our club's decision making with regards to re-signing our champs and their desire to succeed. Only time will tell but if we follow in Geelong's footsteps and recruit hard over the summer then we'll still be a force to be reckoned with in 2017. Good luck against the $wannies next week, hope you bash the crap out of each other
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Been thinking about this over the last week.
When the Roo's made the "tough" decision on their 4 veterans, everyone derided their handling of it (not so much the decision), when in reality only really Boomer could be argued as the wrong decision. That handling may have cost them Wells (although time will tell how big a loss that is, and a 2nd round pick is pretty sweet compensation for a 32 year old).
Hawthorn came out soon after with this - almost trying to be on the front foot to promote its image and be in contrast to what North had done.
List management decisions with veterans (especially if champions) are always tough. The Pies have shown how badly it can turn out (even if you can defend almost every decision individually) and that fans don't easily forgive or forget.
The Cats have done pretty well, and the Hawks have done very well up until this year.
But I wonder if this off season, Hawthorn has tried to do too much - and it has backfired with losing Mitchell and Lewis. They tried to keep all the veterans, and bring in 2 gun youngsters, while staying under the cap and keeping everyone happy. (And trying to avoid losing any of your own young talent).
If you want to create cap space - who would you rather lose out of these 5 veterans? I would prioritise Mitchell and Lewis far above those other 3. IMO both Hodge and Gibson are either done, or at the point that they will be clearly done sometime over the next 12 months, and Burgoyne is great when on, but not always there. Lewis and Mitchell are still playing at a high level.
Now unless all 3 guys have only signed on at rookie level (I doubt) - then you'd assume that not resigning them would've gone a long way to creating the cap space that you have created now by sending Lewis and Mitchell away for dump picks.
When the Roo's made the "tough" decision on their 4 veterans, everyone derided their handling of it (not so much the decision), when in reality only really Boomer could be argued as the wrong decision. That handling may have cost them Wells (although time will tell how big a loss that is, and a 2nd round pick is pretty sweet compensation for a 32 year old).
Hawthorn came out soon after with this - almost trying to be on the front foot to promote its image and be in contrast to what North had done.
List management decisions with veterans (especially if champions) are always tough. The Pies have shown how badly it can turn out (even if you can defend almost every decision individually) and that fans don't easily forgive or forget.
The Cats have done pretty well, and the Hawks have done very well up until this year.
But I wonder if this off season, Hawthorn has tried to do too much - and it has backfired with losing Mitchell and Lewis. They tried to keep all the veterans, and bring in 2 gun youngsters, while staying under the cap and keeping everyone happy. (And trying to avoid losing any of your own young talent).
If you want to create cap space - who would you rather lose out of these 5 veterans? I would prioritise Mitchell and Lewis far above those other 3. IMO both Hodge and Gibson are either done, or at the point that they will be clearly done sometime over the next 12 months, and Burgoyne is great when on, but not always there. Lewis and Mitchell are still playing at a high level.
Now unless all 3 guys have only signed on at rookie level (I doubt) - then you'd assume that not resigning them would've gone a long way to creating the cap space that you have created now by sending Lewis and Mitchell away for dump picks.
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