Hobart Stadium: $750 million cost

[Mr Taswegian]

I'm just interested to know if people believe the new proposed $750 million stadium for Hobart will ever be built?

 

[master bate]

I think it’s a ridiculous idea when you can pretty much swim to Bellerive, which is more than adequate to host what I assume will be 7-8 games a year. Establish the team first, get a passionate local fan base and then work on upgrading to a specialist stadium

But yes, I do think in order to win over the AFL and clubs they’ll fork out the cash to build it.

The Tassie government need to show they’re committed to the 20 million or so a year required to stop the team becoming a drain on the comp. There’s no better way to show that commitment by forking over a stash of cash for the stadium.

 

[RUNVS]

I think it’s a ridiculous idea when you can pretty much swim to Bellerive, which is more than adequate to host what I assume will be 7-8 games a year. Establish the team first, get a passionate local fan base and then work on upgrading to a specialist stadium

But yes, I do think in order to win over the AFL and clubs they’ll fork out the cash to build it.

The Tassie government need to show they’re committed to the 20 million or so a year required to stop the team becoming a drain on the comp. There’s no better way to show that commitment by forking over a stash of cash for the stadium.

Yep. Save the $750 million and spend it on funding the Tasmanian team for 15 years.

 

[melbournemartin]

Agreed!

 

[Mr Taswegian]

I think it’s a ridiculous idea when you can pretty much swim to Bellerive, which is more than adequate to host what I assume will be 7-8 games a year. Establish the team first, get a passionate local fan base and then work on upgrading to a specialist stadium

But yes, I do think in order to win over the AFL and clubs they’ll fork out the cash to build it.

The Tassie government need to show they’re committed to the 20 million or so a year required to stop the team becoming a drain on the comp. There’s no better way to show that commitment by forking over a stash of cash for the stadium.

The big problem with Blundstone is it's lack of parking and for this reason I think Hobart will get a new stadium but I think they will end building a cheaper one because they will probably never get the money for this proposed one.

 

[00Stinger]

What did Optus stadium cost to build? like $1.6 billion

So you could assume with the increase in building cost since then it would now coast around $2b

So what do you get for like $750m? a 30k boutique type of stadium

If so redeveloping one of the existing grounds would seem like a more sustainable financial idea

 

[theyellowsash]

Lets be honest, tas are only doing this because the afl are being dickheads about the tas team and still leaning in this idea that the money isn't there. The afl are basically forcing tas to spend they money to prove they have the money.

Just give them a ****ing team and let them upgrade bellreive

 

[Andy_Mac]

What did Optus stadium cost to build? like $1.6 billion

So you could assume with the increase in building cost since then it would now coast around $2b

So what do you get for like $750m? a 30k boutique type of stadium

If so redeveloping one of the existing grounds would seem like a more sustainable financial idea

The operating cost of a 60k seat stadium is huge. The thing would almost never be filled in Tassie anyway. Start with a 25k seat venue with the planning (and infrastructure) in place to expand it to maybe 40k in 10-15 years time.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

The operating cost of a 60k seat stadium is huge. The thing would almost never be filled in Tassie anyway. Start with a 25k seat venue with the planning (and infrastructure) in place to expand it to maybe 40k in 10-15 years time.

You're absolutely right about the operating cost, a factor that many don't take into account. If they were to upgrade Blundstone Arena they'd hit that 25-30k mark pretty comfortably you would imagine.

I do think that Tasmania would have a pretty big following though. The only thing I'm concerned about is the socio-economic status of Tasmanians. It's not a wealthy state. So you need to balance the costs appropriately so that the consumer isn't wearing it.

Probably best case is to upgrade Blundstone and plan it so that future extensions can be conducted with less stress than the initial one would.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

Lets be honest, tas are only doing this because the afl are being dickheads about the tas team and still leaning in this idea that the money isn't there. The afl are basically forcing tas to spend they money to prove they have the money.

Just give them a ******* team and let them upgrade bellreive

So you believe the AFL has made this a requirement to get a team pretty much?

 

[Mr Taswegian]

You're absolutely right about the operating cost, a factor that many don't take into account. If they were to upgrade Blundstone Arena they'd hit that 25-30k mark pretty comfortably you would imagine.

I do think that Tasmania would have a pretty big following though. The only thing I'm concerned about is the socio-economic status of Tasmanians. It's not a wealthy state. So you need to balance the costs appropriately so that the consumer isn't wearing it.

Probably best case is to upgrade Blundstone and plan it so that future extensions can be conducted with less stress than the initial one would.

Bluestone still has the parking issues though that will reduce crowds by a certain amount obviously.

 

[Purple Suit]

Bluestone still has the parking issues though that will reduce crowds by a certain amount obviously.

Modern stadiums all having parking issues. It’s time to not expect to park within walking distance of the stadium. It happened with Optus, people complained but it didn’t impact crowds as they put on enough buses and set it up so it is smooth. Once the transition has happened, people accept it.

With a significant amount potentially travelling from Launceston, they might need several car parks close by that they can bus people from on game day.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Modern stadiums all having parking issues. It’s time to not expect to park within walking distance of the stadium. It happened with Optus, people complained but it didn’t impact crowds as they put on enough buses and set it up so it is smooth. Once the transition has happened, people accept it.

With a significant amount potentially travelling from Launceston, they might need several car parks close by that they can bus people from on game day.

GMHBA stadium has barely any and it regularly sells out, you're spot on. Even with the MCG, there is very little parking nearby. You are best suited to parking on Flinders Street and walking, or just getting public transport in.

Parking needs to be a factor but certainly shouldn't be a huge one.

 

[00Stinger]

The operating cost of a 60k seat stadium is huge. The thing would almost never be filled in Tassie anyway. Start with a 25k seat venue with the planning (and infrastructure) in place to expand it to maybe 40k in 10-15 years time.

Yeah I agree with that

Surely for less you could upgarde one of the existing stadiums to 25-30k with the potential to increase it towards 40-45k in the future

 

[theyellowsash]

So you believe the AFL has made this a requirement to get a team pretty much?

I think its more that the afl isn't taking tas seriously when they say they have the money, so they're being basically forced into it to prove themselves

 

[Fitzey]

Upgrade Utas, no one wants to go watch the footy in Hobart. Blundstone Arena can’t get a lot bigger unless they close streets off anyway.

 

[TassieSaint]

GMHBA stadium has barely any and it regularly sells out, you're spot on. Even with the MCG, there is very little parking nearby. You are best suited to parking on Flinders Street and walking, or just getting public transport in.

Parking needs to be a factor but certainly shouldn't be a huge one.

Haven't been to Geelong but you can't compare Bellerive to the G in terms of transport links. Bellerive is surrounded by suburban houses and small suburban streets. They put extra busses on on game day but it is still absolute chaos. The bottleneck is simply the lack of space on the road. Ferries from the city help a bit but if you increase the capacity by 50% there's no way it will cope.

I love Bellerive but having a new stadium at Mac Point walking distance from the city and with plenty of space to upgrade transport links makes much, much more sense in the long run. There's even an existing rail corridor if the northern suburbs light rail ever gets off the ground. I believe the proposal was going to have a roof too which would be important, I'm not sure if it's even feasible to retrofit a stadium with a roof.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

Upgrade Utas, no one wants to go watch the footy in Hobart. Blundstone Arena can’t get a lot bigger unless they close streets off anyway.

I love my mighty Roos but I have no doubt AFL crowds have declined in Hobart since the first 7 years of the deal because sadly we have little drawing power and can't pull crowds anywhere. It would be a lot different if Tasmania got their own team to support and I would happily travel from Scottsdale if we get our own AFL team because it would be a weekend away for me and my family.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

Haven't been to Geelong but you can't compare Bellerive to the G in terms of transport links. Bellerive is surrounded by suburban houses and small suburban streets. They put extra busses on on game day but it is still absolute chaos. The bottleneck is simply the lack of space on the road. Ferries from the city help a bit but if you increase the capacity by 50% there's no way it will cope.

I love Bellerive but having a new stadium at Mac Point walking distance from the city and with plenty of space to upgrade transport links makes much, much more sense in the long run. There's even an existing rail corridor if the northern suburbs light rail ever gets off the ground. I believe the proposal was going to have a roof too which would be important, I'm not sure if it's even feasible to retrofit a stadium with a roof.

I agree they should build a new stadium in Hobart but $750 million is just too much.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Haven't been to Geelong but you can't compare Bellerive to the G in terms of transport links. Bellerive is surrounded by suburban houses and small suburban streets. They put extra busses on on game day but it is still absolute chaos. The bottleneck is simply the lack of space on the road. Ferries from the city help a bit but if you increase the capacity by 50% there's no way it will cope.

I love Bellerive but having a new stadium at Mac Point walking distance from the city and with plenty of space to upgrade transport links makes much, much more sense in the long run. There's even an existing rail corridor if the northern suburbs light rail ever gets off the ground. I believe the proposal was going to have a roof too which would be important, I'm not sure if it's even feasible to retrofit a stadium with a roof.

Geelong is the same, have a look at it on Google Maps. Obviously, it's still a lot better than Bellerive but it's still less than ideal. The Scouts use the train station nearby (10 min walk) as a parking lot, which fills to capacity.

Public transport links a massive issue in Tassie though. Happy to take a Tasmanian's word for it over my very brief experience there as you live it, not me.

Just keen to see a team stood up there. Should've happened before GWS or GC tbh.

 

[juss]

A dozen AFL games a year and some cricket.

Is a new stadium really needed? Has the current need really outgrown what is already available?

 

[Mr Taswegian]

A dozen AFL games a year and some cricket.

Is a new stadium really needed? Has the current need really outgrown what is already available?

Also going to used for concerts and round ball sports,I agree that $750 million is too much but they still need to build a new stadium that is located in a better place with better parking.

 

[madmug]

As much as I advocate for a Tas AFL team, fact is were stuck with Boot park.

It can be expanded to 25k-30k. Access will remain a problem. Boot park is basically a good stadium. They were idiots for building it their in first place. But that's that.

For 6 games a year & in the current economic climate it makes no sense to spend that sort of money.

The public would have a fit. And rightfully so. We have serious health, housing & infrastructure issues here & over
the country as a whole. Fire & flood victims still in strife,

Its not the right time for such a grandiose plan.

Get a team & improve what we already have.

EOR!!

 

[jim boy]

Geelong is the same, have a look at it on Google Maps.

Nah - Geelong has a station nearby and major arterial road next to it as well as being next to wide commercial roads to its east. Bellerive is in the middle of the burbs across a bridge that acts as a bottleneck and relies on buses.

FWIW though, a stadium of 20-25,000 should be more than enough. -Geelong and Hobart are of a similar size, but Geelong has Melbourne next to it, so a much, much larger population base to draw from.

 

[Andy_Mac]

Haven't been to Geelong but you can't compare Bellerive to the G in terms of transport links. Bellerive is surrounded by suburban houses and small suburban streets. They put extra busses on on game day but it is still absolute chaos. The bottleneck is simply the lack of space on the road. Ferries from the city help a bit but if you increase the capacity by 50% there's no way it will cope.

I love Bellerive but having a new stadium at Mac Point walking distance from the city and with plenty of space to upgrade transport links makes much, much more sense in the long run. There's even an existing rail corridor if the northern suburbs light rail ever gets off the ground. I believe the proposal was going to have a roof too which would be important, I'm not sure if it's even feasible to retrofit a stadium with a roof.

So much of the cost in building is in the foundations and super structure to support a second level and a roof. It would be a very expensive 25k seat stadium to start with, but i dont think theres another way...

Well actually there is, and its what will happen. They will build it on the cheap and then its the next persons problem in 15 years when they want to upgrade it.