How do you choose a sub?

[DocT]

I have assumed that the ideal sub is a versatile, running, 'Jack of all trades' type who could potentially fill lots of needs depending on personnel problems during the game.

I'm having second thoughts about this.

Freo already has a lot of on-ground versatility. So we don't necessarily need a sub to be versatile.

Perhaps the best sub would be chosen very specifically for each game and would address the question, 'Who in this week's opposition is most likely to take us apart?' What are our Plans B/C/D if this player gets away? The choice of sub would be the player who can maximally facilitate this 'Break Glass in Case of Emergency' scenario.

How do others approach the Pick a Sub question?

 

[Mr Cheese]

I agree with you Doc, and I think it's why we may see a Sturt over Hughes/Johnson despite the latter's versatility. We have at least 4/5 players (Aish / Chappy / Fyfe / JOM / Ryan) that can play multiple positions at a very high level. Great position to be in.

Assuming all fit, for mine I'd start with Sturt, as I think Johnson and Erasmus would be better served getting games into them in the WAFL. Really rough on a few though, tough team to break in to.

Reasoning being we gave players that can stem the bleeding, but not a lot of pure goal kickers for a hail mary finish.

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[masai tu]

Why spend time thinking of who to choose as the sub, the sub selects themself.

Banfield come on down.

 

[Dump Truck]

Usually it depends on their dungeon set up and quality of equipment if you're comfortable being the dom.

Oh, you mean footy.... Probably just Bannas :/

 

[DQ 4EVER]

footlong rye
chicken classic
no cheese
not toasted
spinach, cucumber, capsicum, carrot, jalapenos, lots of pickles
southwest chipotle sauce
no salt, but lots of pepper

 

[DocT]

footlong rye
chicken classic
no cheese
not toasted
spinach, cucumber, capsicum, carrot, jalapenos, lots of pickles
southwest chipotle sauce
no salt, but lots of pepper

In the right forward pocket?

 

[DocT]

I agree with you Doc, and I think it's why we may see a Sturt over Hughes/Johnson despite the latter's versatility. We have at least 4/5 players (Aish / Chappy / Fyfe / JOM / Ryan) that can play multiple positions at a very high level. Great position to be in.

Assuming all fit, for mine I'd start with Sturt, as I think Johnson and Erasmus would be better served getting games into them in the WAFL. Really rough on a few though, tough team to break in to.

Reasoning being we gave players that can stem the bleeding, but not a lot of pure goal kickers for a hail mary finish.

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Yep, Sturty could break upo the defensive structure and pinch a couple of goals.
On the other hand Higgins kicked 4 against us last year. Do we need a specific anti-Higgins armament?

 

[DocT]

Usually it depends on their dungeon set up and quality of equipment if you're comfortable being the dom.

Oh, you mean footy.... Probably just Bannas :/

I love BF...

 

[Joao]

Edit:

 

[DQ 4EVER]

In the right forward pocket?

Nah, gotta carry it flat, like a pizza 2 maintain the integrity of the sandwich

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[Mr Cheese]

Do we need a specific anti-Higgins armament?

Ross's S & C pick should do it I reckon.

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[apuchar]

Johnson for me. When he is ready.

 

[MadMundy]

Your name is Bailey Banfield

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. That's how.

 

[Puregold]

I’d start the season with Walters as sub. Bring him on when mothers are slowing down. Allows him to get into the season slowly without having to make hard decisions around choosing Stuart

 

[Quazar]

footlong rye
chicken classic
no cheese
not toasted
spinach, cucumber, capsicum, carrot, jalapenos, lots of pickles
southwest chipotle sauce
no salt, but lots of pepper

 

[Quazar]

Usually it depends on their dungeon set up and quality of equipment if you're comfortable being the dom.

Oh, you mean footy.... Probably just Bannas :/

 

[go_the_dockers]

A quick mid, who lacks fitness. Ideally one with good skills.

Should not select the same sub two weeks in a row during the year, except if the players name is Banfield.

 

[DocT]

Bumped as indicated in the Preseason 2024 thread...

 

[Tonga Bob]

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[DocT]

Thx pK75

for this:

I don’t have the injury stats, but due to the change to tactical sub we activated it 100% of the time.
Here’s the list of players who came on as subs.
Erasmus 6
Johnson 4
Sturt 2
Walters 2
Stanley 2
Fyfe 2
Brodie 1
Banfield 1
Worner 1
Corbett 1
NOD 1

So it looks like we currently choose the sub according to these priorities:
1 Give the young-uns and newbies a crack.
2 Ease someone back in from injury

Banfield and Brodie are the only 2 that don't immediately fit one of those criteria.

While the above approach has some merit I think there are smarter and more effective ways to use a sub.
I'm still keen picking a sub based primarily on their capacity to execute a Team Plan B to counter a principal threat from that week's opposition.

Examples of this approach might be:
Oppo have strong tall forwards then our sub is a tall defender.
Oppo have dominant inside mids then our sub is an inside mid.
Oppo has a dominant individual player then our sub can cover the role of our Tagger B if our Tagger A fails.

 

[DQ 4EVER]

Footlong wheat
Chicken classic
No cheese
Not toasted
Lots of spinach
Cucumbers
Capsicum
Lots of pickles
Jalapenos
Thin layer of south west Chipotle sauce
Lots of pepper

No cookies usually, but on the odd occasion the raspberry one & only one of them

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[freo1997]

I am leaning towards JOM to be sub round 1.

He played well yesterday. Vision through traffic is best 22 and skills are top 5 in the club. Probably won’t have as much match fitness as the others but you can’t leave him out of the best 23. So reckon he gets sub duties for the first few games. He played bit of wing yesterday, can play onball and fwd so has the versatility.

 

[arsesmart]

Footlong wheat
Chicken classic
No cheese
Not toasted
Lots of spinach
Cucumbers
Capsicum
Lots of pickles
Jalapenos
Thin layer of south west Chipotle sauce
Lots of pepper

No cookies usually, but on the odd occasion the raspberry one & only one of them

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Your first mistake is going to Subway. Find yourself a good continental deli.

 

[pK75]

I am leaning towards JOM to be sub round 1.

He played well yesterday. Vision through traffic is best 22 and skills are top 5 in the club. Probably won’t have as much match fitness as the others but you can’t leave him out of the best 23. So reckon he gets sub duties for the first few games. He played bit of wing yesterday, can play onball and fwd so has the versatility.

I don’t mind this idea, I believe if we’re going to be contenders this year our sub should be our next best player available, whether that’s JOM, Brodie, Ras, Switta or Simpson remains to be seen who we select in the starting 22.
Last year our 3 most impactful Subs were Walters, Brodie and Fyfe, all experienced players who had immediate impact. This should be our reasoning this year.
It’s nice for developing plays to get a taste of the top level, but not once in 6 games did I think Ras had an impact on the game, Johno was “why hasn’t he been on the whole game”.
I also don’t really like a forward as sub, Sturt, Banfield and Corbett were all fairly uneventful as sub.
While it’s nice for supporters to see the likes of Stanley and Worner at the higher level, I do think it’s better to give these guys full games like Wagner and Emmett got.

 

[DocT]

I don’t mind this idea, I believe if we’re going to be contenders this year our sub should be our next best player available, whether that’s JOM, Brodie, Ras, Switta or Simpson remains to be seen who we select in the starting 22.
Last year our 3 most impactful Subs were Walters, Brodie and Fyfe, all experienced players who had immediate impact. This should be our reasoning this year.
It’s nice for developing plays to get a taste of the top level, but not once in 6 games did I think Ras had an impact on the game, Johno was “why hasn’t he been on the whole game”.
I also don’t really like a forward as sub, Sturt, Banfield and Corbett were all fairly uneventful as sub.
While it’s nice for supporters to see the likes of Stanley and Worner at the higher level, I do think it’s better to give these guys full games like Wagner and Emmett got.

Good points all.
JOM as sub has many strengths.
Our mids are still relatively inexperienced. We need the experience/leadership of one of Fyfe/JOM in there or thereabouts I would have thought.
Fyfe will be physically targetted by the oppo because 1. He is so good. 2. He is structurally important to our mids. 3. He has physical vulnerabilities.
For all these reasons JOM makes very good sense.