Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

Continued From Part 4: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/how-would-you-rate-daniel-andrews-performance-as-victorian-premier-part-4.1257360/

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[Doss]

Louise certainly knows how to drink...and cover up her crimes.

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Well now I'm conflicted.

On the one hand Staley is a dickhead.

On the other hand, Kevin Andrews is a ****head.

 

[aCunningPlan]

Well now I'm conflicted.

On the one hand Staley is a dickhead.

On the other hand, Kevin Andrews is a fu**head.

Louise has a margin of 15 votes, she is desperate to cling on to her job. She is going to throw anything she can out to get her name in the papers and honestly it is going to backfire on her bigtime. Ripon aren't going to stand for someone who wanted to let covid rip through the regions, have support taken off Victorians, and show a complete lack or morality.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Now some Victorians tried to sneak into NZ to attend a funeral. Again broke 5km rule to leave Melbourne, broke the NSW rules, and made a false declaration at customs.

Fmd

 

[Frank Bunn]

On 8th June James Merlino confirmed that the Delta variant outbreak that has infected an aged care home and has 5,500 primary close contacts isolating was most likely due to yet another Victorian hotel quarantine leak. A returned traveller from Sri Lanka arrived at the Novotel Ibis on 8th May and tested positive the same day.

Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton and COVID-19 Quarantine Victoria Commissioner Emma Cassar were fully aware of serious issues at the Novotel Ibis in late April after the discovery of more than 51 breaches, including 15 infection-control violations. Yet the hotel continued to be used.

After testing positive the man was moved to a medical hotel. But they are having trouble tracing who interacted with him because the state’s medical hotels don't use a QR check-in system. You couldn't make this up. There's millions of people across the state, where there is no virus, having to check in at supermarkets and garden centres. Yet at a dedicated facility for people who have tested positive you don't have to check in!

Why did it take a full month between the guy testing positive at a hotel known to have serious quarantine compliance issues and the confirmation of the link to the Delta outbreak?

There are several levels of incompetence here. How do these people still have their jobs?

 

[Magnum27]

On 8th June James Merlino confirmed that the Delta variant outbreak that has infected an aged care home and has 5,500 primary close contacts isolating was most likely due to yet another Victorian hotel quarantine leak. A returned traveller from Sri Lanka arrived at the Novotel Ibis on 8th May and tested positive the same day.

Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton and COVID-19 Quarantine Victoria Commissioner Emma Cassar were fully aware of serious issues at the Novotel Ibis in late April after the discovery of more than 51 breaches, including 15 infection-control violations. Yet the hotel continued to be used.

After testing positive the man was moved to a medical hotel. But they are having trouble tracing who interacted with him because the state’s medical hotels don't use a QR check-in system. You couldn't make this up. There's millions of people across the state, where there is no virus, having to check in at supermarkets and garden centres. Yet at a dedicated facility for people who have tested positive you don't have to check in!

Why did it take a full month between the guy testing positive at a hotel known to have serious quarantine compliance issues and the confirmation of the link to the Delta outbreak?

There are several levels of incompetence here. How do these people still have their jobs?

I note with interest QLD send any infected people to a dedicated hospital, like the two clowns who did the runner recently, maybe Vic could look into that, although given their reluctance to admit other states are doing it better than them i highly doubt they would entertain that idea.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Where did you read this? I've seen nothing reported of even a set back (let alone a fatal one)

Has anyone seen Dan?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I note with interest QLD send any infected people to a dedicated hospital, like the two clowns who did the runner recently, maybe Vic could look into that, although given their reluctance to admit other states are doing it better than them i highly doubt they would entertain that idea.

we have used hot hotels in the past

infection in hospitals in australia hasnt been an issue (our hospitals are actually designed for this shit - as long as the volume isnt insane)

 

[Magnum27]

we have used hot hotels in the past

infection in hospitals in australia hasnt been an issue (our hospitals are actually designed for this sh*t - as long as the volume isnt insane)

Maybe the hospital option should be looked at, as you are correct it they are designed for this, the so called hot hotels are not, it would only be a guess but if they had put the original case in hospital from Woolert we may have avoided this who knows.

And this is where The Cryptkeeper is correct, , the lock down last year was to get our hospitals prepared, it seems that is not the case and why they shit the bed, a lot like McGowan does in WA because their health system is in a worse condition. The No of infected coming back are not in the 100"s, so a hospital ward should be able to be dedicated to it.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Maybe the hospital option should be looked at, as you are correct it they are designed for this, the so called hot hotels are not, it would only be a guess but if they had put the original case in hospital from Woolert we may have avoided this who knows.

And this is where The Cryptkeeper is correct, , the lock down last year was to get our hospitals prepared, it seems that is not the case and why they sh*t the bed, a lot like McGowan does in WA because their health system is in a worse condition. The No of infected coming back are not in the 100"s, so a hospital ward should be able to be dedicated to it.

Hospitals (outside something like Thomas Embley) don't have the security required without intruding on hospital activities.

Also remember we need to budget for 100+ at any one time. And this can't be a normal ward (which used shared rooms for the most part).

Hot hotels for already infected people without illness make sense, as long as we risk manage as much as possible (segregated staff air and passageways for example)

 

[Doss]

Shifting it to hospitals is just another way for the federal government to avoid having to do its job.

 

[Magnum27]

Hospitals (outside something like Thomas Embley) don't have the security required without intruding on hospital activities.

Also remember we need to budget for 100+ at any one time. And this can't be a normal ward (which used shared rooms for the most part).

Hot hotels for already infected people without illness make sense, as long as we risk manage as much as possible (segregated staff air and passageways for example)

What a load of horse shit, we are not even close to 100 people returned with the virus since we re opened to returning travellers, we have had 10 in the last 7 days, that is hardly going to put a strain on a decently run health system , how are QLD managing it then they have had 6 in the last 7 days ?, they clearly can do it yet Vic can't, just another indictment on this sorry government we have running this and our health system if they cannot manage 10 people in 7 days.

 

[Magnum27]

Shifting it to hospitals is just another way for the federal government to avoid having to do its job.

See whining about the feds ain't going to fix the issue, pretty simple they are not going to do hotel quarantine, we can whinge all we like, and i agree they are ****ing useless, but sooking about something they clearly not going to take control over is ****ing stupid and pointless.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

What a load of horse sh*t, we are not even close to 100 people returned with the virus since we re opened to returning travellers, we have had 10 in the last 7 days, that is hardly going to put a strain on a decently run health system , how are QLD managing it then they have had 6 in the last 7 days ?, they clearly can do it yet Vic can't, just another indictment on this sorry government we have running this and our health system if they cannot manage 10 people in 7 days.

FFS you could be a liberal shadow minister!

this thinking is 100% how you **** up any risk management solution.

the 100 wasnt a number i picked out of the air. Its based upon whats called a foreseeable hazard - in this case HQ and inbound flights happening as per normal PLUS an outbreak in the local community at the same time. During our current wave we had 80-90 active infections. Thats what you need to budget for, not the low end of the bar when everything is working.

If you dont, one outbreak and your system is broken.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

the hubby has tested positive now.

also confirmed the only reason he and the wife were tested was because it was a requirement from his employer

ffs

 

[Crankyhawk]

we have used hot hotels in the past

infection in hospitals in australia hasnt been an issue (our hospitals are actually designed for this sh*t - as long as the volume isnt insane)

Some hospitals are replete with negative pressure rooms. The northern hospital in Epping is not (I think maybe 6 out of 330 beds- as an aside think how insane it is to have 330 beds for a hospital with usually 300-350 patients through ed per day compared to at Vincent’s who see 200/ day with more than 800 beds fml)

 

[Magnum27]

FFS you could be a liberal shadow minister!

this thinking is 100% how you fu** up any risk management solution.

the 100 wasnt a number i picked out of the air. Its based upon whats called a foreseeable hazard - in this case HQ and inbound flights happening as per normal PLUS an outbreak in the local community at the same time. During our current wave we had 80-90 active infections. Thats what you need to budget for, not the low end of the bar when everything is working.

If you dont, one outbreak and your system is broken.

Much like you could be a Labor staffer how quick you jump to defend them.

Yes you are correct on the No's, however if the Woolert case was put in hospital much like QLD have with the two from Vic, we could avoid the 80 to 90 cases.

I'll ask again since you ignored the question.

How can QLD manage it yet Vic can't, they are both the same party here, so it's nothing to do with Lib or Lab bias.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Much like you could be a Labor staffer how quick you jump to defend them.

Yes you are correct on the No's, however if the Woolert case was put in hospital much like QLD have with the two from Vic, we could avoid the 80 to 90 cases.

I'll ask again since you ignored the question.

How can QLD manage it yet Vic can't, they are both the same party here, so it's nothing to do with Lib or Lab bias.

what the **** do you think a hot hotel is? it does exactly what you want - isolates infected people in one complex away from non-infected people. your proposal turns hospitals into detention centres for healthy people which is beyond stupid

notice in my reply you didnt address my point at all - your system would only work when everything is contained, not when there is an outbreak.

Also the Adelaide case might have been prevented with both a hot hotel or hospitalization, but it depends upon who gave the infection (if it was someone who just tested positive, they still would have been in regular HQ)

 

[Magnum27]

 

[Ned_Flanders]

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good news - all four in 1 house

bad news - link to existings still TBA

 

[Magnum27]

what the fu** do you think a hot hotel is? it does exactly what you want - isolates infected people in one complex away from non-infected people. your proposal turns hospitals into detention centres for healthy people which is beyond stupid

notice in my reply you didnt address my point at all - your system would only work when everything is contained, not when there is an outbreak.

Also the Adelaide case might have been prevented with both a hot hotel or hospitalization, but it depends upon who gave the infection (if it was someone who just tested positive, they still would have been in regular HQ)

My answer was clear, put the Woolert case in the hospital straight away, much like they have done in Brisbane with the two cases, and this possibly would not blow out.

So QLD are doing it wrong then ?, putting positive cases into a hospital and managing with out infecting the whole hospital in a setting that is perfect compared to any hotel, you did say hospitals were perfect for this.

Once again organised health system compared to a piss poor one here in Vic.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Much like you could be a Labor staffer how quick you jump to defend them.

Yes you are correct on the No's, however if the Woolert case was put in hospital much like QLD have with the two from Vic, we could avoid the 80 to 90 cases.

I'll ask again since you ignored the question.

How can QLD manage it yet Vic can't, they are both the same party here, so it's nothing to do with Lib or Lab bias.

perhaps may have avoided it or maybe already had spread to the main problem - the DH who did not realise he had symptoms and did not get tested (have heard conflicting reports as to whether he actually had symptoms or not, or i may be thinking of the next infected draftsperson who visited several locations who then later was tested then wife got sick and tested)

also knowing intimately the hospital they would likely have sent him to (mine), he would have sat in the ED for hours hoping for one of the few negative pressure beds on the ward to be available (at time likely used by TB patients)

 

[Magnum27]

good news - all four in 1 house

bad news - link to existings still TBA

New exposure sites, all in my hood, i have been to all those places, not recently though.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

My answer was clear, put the Woolert case in the hospital straight away, much like they have done in Brisbane with the two cases, and this possibly would not blow out.

So QLD are doing it wrong then ?, putting positive cases into a hospital and managing with out infecting the whole hospital in a setting that is perfect compared to any hotel, you did say hospitals were perfect for this.

Once again organised health system compared to a piss poor one here in Vic.

Again, what???

The Wollert guy didn't leak out of HQ. That was the Sri Lankan some time later. The issue of the Wollert guy was he got infected by someone who got infected by the sa guy.

 

[Magnum27]

perhaps may have avoided it or maybe already had spread to the main problem - the DH who did not realise he had symptoms and did not get tested (have heard conflicting reports as to whether he actually had symptoms or not, or i may be thinking of the next infected draftsperson who visited several locations who then later was tested then wife got sick and tested)

Never said it was fool proof, seems to be working in QLD though, and why keep trying the same thing if it fails.

 

[Magnum27]

Again, what???

The Wollert guy didn't leak out of HQ. That was the Sri Lankan some time later. The issue of the Wollert guy was he got infected by someone who got infected by the sa guy.

the Woolert guy caught in quarantine, maybe all states should follow QLD lead with positive cases

Yes and what i'm saying is why not as soon as he was infected put into a hospital setting, much like they do in QLD, both these two idiots from Vic have had happened in QLD, straight to a hospital, not some shitty hotel that cannot handle it. Hotels or medi hotels are not the best option for positive cases.