Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

Continued From Part 4: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/how-would-you-rate-daniel-andrews-performance-as-victorian-premier-part-4.1257360/

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[Ned_Flanders]

Pretty sure even though they will be in front of the media, they won't be calling the shots on their own, he will surely still be involved in any decisions or policies being made.

depends upon what pain meds he's on, and how the pain is with that

when i busted my leg i could only concentrate for bursts at a time (its just exhausting)

 

[Snake_Baker]

We can rebuild him!

 

[Navyblues09]

I thought it was humorous

But Dans overpaid social media team don’t have a sense of humour

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Lol, the hire company was union affiliated. It was jobs for the boys (as usual) and the firm in question was not even on the approved tender list. I used to be a commonwealth auditor and that alone is enough for serious issues let alone your not following procedure led to deaths. But apparently they were a 'woke' firm employing minority types, no skills but hey at least Dan could tick the box. Oh sorry, no one approved them it was a consensus thing. Despite the links to Pakula.

Wasn’t it the police union that getting the ADF to take over hotel quarantine?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Hope the owner of the rental property has good insurance because Dan’s going to take him to the cleaners. Slippery stairs, obvious liability.

 

[Christopher Buttersnip]

I thought it was humorous

You must feel quite chuffed then

I have a family member who suffered significant vertebrae damage and saw first-hand the pain involved and the long-lasting adverse effects. To poke fun at that sort of suffering and with a lie is the type of thing people with no moral compass and/or are psychologically challenged would do. And there are a few here who fall into those categories.

Seems they get their jollies from others' pain and suffering. Maybe their turn will come and they will be subjected to derision too if it does. Karma!

 

[FRUMPY]

Based on that tweet above, it looks increasingly unlikely that not only Daniel Andrews will make a quick recovery, but also he might have to look at the prospect of announcing his resignation as Premier sooner rather than later.

That seems a rather fortunate way to step away from politics....

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[FRUMPY]

What a dumb post

Pretty funny I reckon......

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[FRUMPY]

Best way for a narcissist like Dan to go out.

"I resigned because I fell down stairs, it was totally because of that and not because of my absolutely abysmal performance leading to me being forced out!"

But luckily there was no one in ICU so I got better......

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[eddiesmith]

You must feel quite chuffed then

I have a family member who suffered significant vertebrae damage and saw first-hand the pain involved and the long-lasting adverse effects. To poke fun at that sort of suffering and with a lie is the type of thing people with no moral compass and/or are psychologically challenged would do. And there are a few here who fall into those categories.

Seems they get their jollies from others' pain and suffering. Maybe their turn will come and they will be subjected to derision too if it does. Karma!

Or public figure does something dumb and people laugh, it’s human nature. Like a certain fast bowler injuring his ribs mowing the lawn, it’s funny to most people.

But it’s interesting your more upset than the Acting Premier who was laughing it off as nothing.

How would you have coped when there was a popular TV show entirely devoted to laughing at people’s misfortune? That wouldn’t last 5 seconds with the modern snowflake generation.

 

[Linda_Lovelace]

Or public figure does something dumb and people laugh, it’s human nature. Like a certain fast bowler injuring his ribs mowing the lawn, it’s funny to most people.

But it’s interesting your more upset than the Acting Premier who was laughing it off as nothing.

How would you have coped when there was a popular TV show entirely devoted to laughing at people’s misfortune? That wouldn’t last 5 seconds with the modern snowflake generation.

Like the science of stupid?

 

[Christopher Buttersnip]

Or public figure does something dumb and people laugh, it’s human nature. Like a certain fast bowler injuring his ribs mowing the lawn, it’s funny to most people.

But it’s interesting your more upset than the Acting Premier who was laughing it off as nothing.

How would you have coped when there was a popular TV show entirely devoted to laughing at people’s misfortune? That wouldn’t last 5 seconds with the modern snowflake generation.

Just when I think you couldn't possibly post anything denser you surpass yourself. Comparing people on slapstick shows with someone in intensive care possibly facing major surgery is mind-numbingly asinine. A primary school kid would understand the stupidity of that. Not only are you a pinhead but one who is unhinged. Get help.

 

[sherb]

Just when I think you couldn't possibly post anything denser you surpass yourself. Comparing people on slapstick shows with someone in intensive care possibly facing major surgery is mind-numbingly asinine. A primary school kid would understand the stupidity of that. Not only are you a pinhead but one who is unhinged. Get help.

There's a reason Ed has 52.5k posts and only 8.7k likes.

 

[sherb]

I wouldn't wish back problems on anyone.

Best wishes to Dan Andrews.

 

[Frank Bunn]

I've seen that operation done on Supervet. Dan should be back to walking on all fours and licking his balls within a week.

 

[Crankyhawk]

You must feel quite chuffed then

I have a family member who suffered significant vertebrae damage and saw first-hand the pain involved and the long-lasting adverse effects. To poke fun at that sort of suffering and with a lie is the type of thing people with no moral compass and/or are psychologically challenged would do. And there are a few here who fall into those categories.

Seems they get their jollies from others' pain and suffering. Maybe their turn will come and they will be subjected to derision too if it does. Karma!

Andrews is a political figure and historically it is ok to poke fun at political figures in Australia. Sure there are limits but I don’t think the previous comment crossed the line

 

[Saint]

Wasn’t it the police union that getting the ADF to take over hotel quarantine?

Private security was a non-issue created by the media to apportion blame to somebody. Not sure why the Govt played along.

I think the procurement of the contract is more what they had to distance themselves from, but I think that about nearly every govt contract at Local, State and Govt level, anything procured quickly is likely to stink of corruption.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

being reported no op for now, but its 50:50 and a final decision will be made later in the week.

also they are speculating that he will be dealing with pain and mobility restrictions for several months.

 

[The Punter]

There's a pre-approved list of contractors - which enables governments to move quickly while also covering due diligence. This didn't happen with hotel quarantine, when a non-pre-approved contractor was appointed in part because of non-operational objectives.

 

[Saint]

There's a pre-approved list of contractors - which enables governments to move quickly while also covering due diligence. This didn't happen with hotel quarantine, when a non-pre-approved contractor was appointed in part because of non-operational objectives.

Did they have a list of security providers who were also health-qualified? Or a list of health-qualified providers who were also security providers?

My guess is that those two things are always separate.

Is 'non-operational objectives' a euphemism for corruption?

 

[Blue Arrow]

 

[The Punter]

Did they have a list of security providers who were also health-qualified? Or a list of health-qualified providers who were also security providers?

My guess is that those two things are always separate.

Is 'non-operational objectives' a euphemism for corruption?

A few nice gotcha attempts, to be sure.

- The pre-approved lists is so you know the company isn't run by crooks, and has a proven track record of delivering what it has said it would deliver
- Perhaps, but using security firms from a pre-approved list means who have at the very least less uncertainty about who they are
- No. It's a "euphemism" for "we took into account things that may have little to no relation to if they can do the basic job or not".

 

[Ned_Flanders]

There's a pre-approved list of contractors - which enables governments to move quickly while also covering due diligence. This didn't happen with hotel quarantine, when a non-pre-approved contractor was appointed in part because of non-operational objectives.

its messier than that. Across all jurisdictions (state and fed) multiple depts (including dept of defence) now have procurement guidelines that give preferential treatment to bidders with indigenous owners or which will use a significant number of indigenous workers in the project.

The intent is a good one (it was to stop bidders fifo'ing workers into areas with indigenous populations and effectively giving no employment benefit to the local community), but some (not all, or even most, some) are engineering their responses to game the system

 

[Saint]

A few nice gotcha attempts, to be sure.

- The pre-approved lists is so you know the company isn't run by crooks, and has a proven track record of delivering what it has said it would deliver
- Perhaps, but using security firms from a pre-approved list means who have at the very least less uncertainty about who they are
- No. It's a "euphemism" for "we took into account things that may have little to no relation to if they can do the basic job or not".

But just because you're not pre-approved doesn't mean you can't be approved.

The hiring of these services was a big problem, but not sure anywhere else did it any better or there was a clear-cut option which was overlooked.

My personal contacts in the security industry tell me it was the usual suspects trying to round up accredited staff who wanted the work.

I guess it was just under a different head contract, but would have led to the same people being employed doing the job. So not sure that if they hired an approved contractor that the result would have been any different.

 

[Saint]

its messier than that. Across all jurisdictions (state and fed) multiple depts (including dept of defence) now have procurement guidelines that give preferential treatment to bidders with indigenous owners or which will use a significant number of indigenous workers in the project.

The intent is a good one (it was to stop bidders fifo'ing workers into areas with indigenous populations and effectively giving no employment benefit to the local community), but some (not all, or even most, some) are engineering their responses to game the system

Have heard quite a few stories of companies fronting up with famous indigenous people to meetings only to have them sit silently while the white guy does all the talking. Only heard it 2nd/3rd hand though. So not sure if it's one or two stories doing the rounds or permeating through the industry.