Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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[Evolved1]

Road construction with the reduced traffic is fairly sensible policy I would have thought.

 

[Paul Kersey]

? it could simply be a result of the outer suburbs having a younger demographic and therefore less access to vaccines.

but it may also show how important vaccination is and where resources need to be directed

Be interested to see statistics surrounding compliance to rules per postcode.

 

[hamohawk1]

Dont care what it is.. just wanna know roughly what 80% and 90% first dose might look like. And also what 60-70-80% double dose looks like. Extra exercise outside, more numbers at construction and more kms to move around isn’t going to cut it.

Its perplexing isn't it. What good is an extra hours exercise and the ability to go an addition 5km when you can't do anything.

It is absolute madness that we're taking such a slowly slowly approach to a virus that is so fast moving, and a lockdown that has no formal end in sight.

 

[Evolved1]

We're not going back to zero. Forget case numbers and the over-zealous policing, and push out the vaccines.

 

[Paul Kersey]

Dont care what it is.. just wanna know roughly what 80% and 90% first dose might look like. And also what 60-70-80% double dose looks like. Extra exercise outside, more numbers at construction and more kms to move around isn’t going to cut it.

Yeah - does he think the office workers, city retailers and hospitality industry are gonna stand up and give a round of applause when he gives his union mates the green light before the rest of us (again)?

 

[Brad Goodman]

Especially given how stupid an extra hour of exercise really is. Who the fu** actually polices that?

Yeah I pretty much assume nobody takes notice of the time limit. I don't even know what it is.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Yeah - does he think the office workers, city retailers and hospitality industry are gonna stand up and give a round of applause when he gives his union mates the green light before the rest of us (again)?

Mostly agree but dunno about the office workers, we aren't missing out on anything by working from home.

 

[Paul Kersey]

Yeah I pretty much assume nobody takes notice of the time limit. I don't even know what it is.

Imagine the meetings when they workshop such harebrained ideas.

Just a reminder that politics generally gets the people not cut for business.

 

[Paul Kersey]

Mostly agree but dunno about the office workers, we aren't missing out on anything by working from home.

Depends what industry you work in and what your role is.

 

[Paul Kersey]

Whilst I blame this year’s disaster on Morrison, the Victorian appetite for lockdowns would not be as fatigued if we didn’t have the 2020 experience produced by Andrews.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Apparently the plan is a few weeks overdue but on its way Ned reckons.

not according to me, according to news.com.au

apparently peeps in govt (according to the rag) are getting frustrated with the delays and the lack of comms as to why

as i mentioned yesterday, my ignorant guess would be they are struggling to predict where the numbers go with certainty, thus making the decisions on what restrictions to ease at the respective vaccine brackets more difficult.

its easy to say "do xxx at 70%", so im guessing the only factor is the rising case numbers

again, this part is pure guess. fact the govt have no info from him on the delay means there is literally nothing to make the call on with any certainty

 

[Crankyhawk]

It will need to be out soon or the public will do their own thing. Dangling pissy carrots like an extra hour of exercise or another 5km of movement isn't going to cut it.

The simple fact is that NSW have a plan and Vic doesn't.

Yes NSW have a plan
It is a plan which is likely going to lead to their health system being overwhelmed for a period of time
Yet it is still a plan. And any player of chess will know that a bad plan beats no plan every time.

Dan currently is not showing any plan.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Whilst I blame this year’s disaster on Morrison, the Victorian appetite for lockdowns would not be as fatigued if we didn’t have the 2020 experience produced by Andrews.

that and looking across the border at a place with more cases which doesn't appear to be imposing general lockdowns, so people in victoria likely to say "why must I lockdown as my local area has no cases"

the problem with this thinking is that the areas of most cases in Melbourne (my area - northern/ northwestern suburbs) have high numbers of younger people who had less opportunity to get vaccinated, do jobs that aren't WFH, and they live there because thats where housing has been affordable in the last 5 - 10 years). So these people will stay mobile even under "localised lockdowns"

 

[eddiesmith]

Yeah I pretty much assume nobody takes notice of the time limit. I don't even know what it is.

When my mate and I went for walks we’d just walk, not always with a clear destination in mind let alone a time limit.

 

[Collingwoodity]

that and looking across the border at a place with more cases which doesn't appear to be imposing general lockdowns, so people in victoria likely to say "why must I lockdown as my local area has no cases"

the problem with this thinking is that the areas of most cases in Melbourne (my area - northern/ northwestern suburbs) have high numbers of younger people who had less opportunity to get vaccinated, do jobs that aren't WFH, and they live there because thats where housing has been affordable in the last 5 - 10 years). So these people will stay mobile even under "localised lockdowns"

Except these factors exist in NSW too and their location based measures are effective.

 

[hamohawk1]

not according to me, according to news.com.au

apparently peeps in govt (according to the rag) are getting frustrated with the delays and the lack of comms as to why

as i mentioned yesterday, my ignorant guess would be they are struggling to predict where the numbers go with certainty, thus making the decisions on what restrictions to ease at the respective vaccine brackets more difficult.

its easy to say "do xxx at 70%", so im guessing the only factor is the rising case numbers

again, this part is pure guess. fact the govt have no info from him on the delay means there is literally nothing to make the call on with any certainty

Have heard the same re frustration.

What is perplexing is that there is only one route of of this, and that is easing things. There is no way (unless you shut down construction lol) he can go any stricter, and it would not lend itself to having that much benefit.

Even something as easy as picnics outdoors are allowed from 1 October 2021 would change things again, giving VICS some hope they don't have to wait until mid november to be able to go 15km from their home for a takeaway coffee.

 

[Xtreme]

I wasn't aware we were allowed to play cricket (25 cars in the car park, people fielding, batters batting and a few people in the cricket nets).

 

[Crankyhawk]

Except these factors exist in NSW too and their location based measures are effective.

whereas location based measures didn't work in melbourne last time. Why would there be appetite to try again?

 

[Crankyhawk]

I wasn't aware we were allowed to play cricket (25 cars in the car park, people fielding, batters batting and a few people in the cricket nets).

outdoors, fairly socially distant, doubt anyone gaf.

 

[Evolved1]

I wasn't aware we were allowed to play cricket (25 cars in the car park, people fielding, batters batting and a few people in the cricket nets).

Antivaxxer wanting to police people looking after their health. Now I've seen it all.

 

[eddiesmith]

I wasn't aware we were allowed to play cricket (25 cars in the car park, people fielding, batters batting and a few people in the cricket nets).

Reminds me of last year when they eased restrictions at one stage and said cricket nets could be used. Problem was they never said they couldn’t and they’d been packed for at least a month prior once the weather improved!!!

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Have heard the same re frustration.

What is perplexing is that there is only one route of of this, and that is easing things. There is no way (unless you shut down construction lol) he can go any stricter, and it would not lend itself to having that much benefit.

Even something as easy as picnics outdoors are allowed from 1 October 2021 would change things again, giving VICS some hope they don't have to wait until mid november to be able to go 15km from their home for a takeaway coffee.

shutting down construction wont change anything. with kids and families and essential workers (like logistics) being key spreaders, shutting down construction would slow things IMO, but not reverse them

the only way to go "more" is martial law, but thats not something we want he (it would change our society forever)

 

[eddiesmith]

whereas location based measures didn't work in melbourne last time. Why would there be appetite to try again?

They abandoned localised restrictions because they did such a stupid job of it last time they’ve decided it couldn’t work.

It sounded like a great idea and then I saw the map and it was obvious it was going to failure. They had 2 postcodes in lockdown then 3 adjoining not, then another one in then next 2 not, then the next 2 postcodes in…

It was a giant cluster**** typical of the Victorian government’s response to this entire pandemic.

It also needs to have stricter rules on who is an essential worker. Construction workers being allowed to cross the city from hotspots to areas that were Covid free is what’s ****ing things up the most. Same thing with postcode lockdowns, they were letting so many people out for non essential work to spread it far and wide.

 

[Evolved1]

shutting down construction wont change anything. with kids and families and essential workers (like logistics) being key spreaders, shutting down construction would slow things IMO, but not reverse them

the only way to go "more" is martial law, but thats not something we want he (it would change our society forever)

The horse has bolted there. With a vaccum in federal leadership, reining in the premiers is going to be a difficult task. There's clearly an appetite from some people for the government to go harder.

 

[Paul Kersey]

that and looking across the border at a place with more cases which doesn't appear to be imposing general lockdowns, so people in victoria likely to say "why must I lockdown as my local area has no cases"

the problem with this thinking is that the areas of most cases in Melbourne (my area - northern/ northwestern suburbs) have high numbers of younger people who had less opportunity to get vaccinated, do jobs that aren't WFH, and they live there because thats where housing has been affordable in the last 5 - 10 years). So these people will stay mobile even under "localised lockdowns"

I don’t disagree but there are plenty of other areas that fit said description and they aren’t seeing the same (repeat) problem. Government needs to step up and deal with it rather than having us all under house arrest. Excuse the hyperbole but I’m sick of being told I need to wear a mask whilst walking alone as a fully vaccinated person in an area which has seen close to zero cases. It’s not that the mask inconveniences me - it’s the daily reminder that many of us have followed the rules since inception and given the government ample opportunity to deal with problem areas (which they are clearly incapable of doing).