Interesting Premiership Fact in the 2000s

[STC]

I noticed this stat when Geelong lost to St Kilda in round 14, and I remembered it again after we won the flag.

Basically, since 2002, every premiership team had lost its most recent meeting with the team it beat in the Grand Final. 2001 was the last time this did not happen, when Brisbane beat Essendon in Round 10 and then again the next time they met in the Grand Final.

2002: Round 8: Collingwood 17.12 (114) def Brisbane Lions 16.15 (111)
Grand Final: Collingwood 9.12 (66) def by Brisbane Lions 10.15 (75)
2003: Qualifying Final: Collingwood 9.12 (66) def Brisbane Lions 7.9 (51)
Grand Final: Brisbane Lions 20.14 (134) def Collingwood 12.12 (84)
2004: Round 11: Brisbane Lions 18.15 (123) def Port Adelaide 12.14 (86)
Grand Final: Port Adelaide 17.11 (113) def Brisbane Lions 10.13 (73)
2005: Qualifying Final: West Coast 10.9 (69) def Sydney 10.5 (65)
Grand Final: Sydney 8.10 (58) def West Coast 7.12 (54)
2006: Qualifying Final: West Coast 12.12 (84) def by Sydney 13.7 (85)
Grand Final: Sydney 12.12 (84) def by West Coast 12.13 (85)
2007: Round 21: Geelong 15.11 (101) def by Port Adelaide 16.10 (106)
Grand Final: Geelong 24.19 (163) def Port Adelaide 6.8 (44)
2008: Round 17: Hawthorn 11.11 (77) def by Geelong 12.16 (88)
Grand Final: Geelong 11.23 (89) def by Hawthorn 18.7 (115)
2009: Round 14: St Kilda 14.7 (91) def Geelong 13.7 (85)
Grand Final: St Kilda 9.14 (68) def by Geelong 12.8 (80)

So the result was reversed on GF day every year from 2002 to the end of the decade. Very interesting I think, is it random or is it that the team that lost last time learnt the most ahead of the big day? Are they more determined? Are the other team overconfident? Or is this a stupid statistic that means nothing?

2006 is pretty amazing too in that the scores were identical, although the winners with a different goal-behinds too.

 

[Kid A]

very interesting. I remember in 2005 we beat the Coasters in R22 on their turf to sela top spot then lost to them in a prelim. I don't know if it's just coincidence or if the incumbent side simply were hiding an ace up their sleeve.

 

[collingwood1992]

I noticed this stat when Geelong lost to St Kilda in round 14, and I remembered it again after we won the flag.

Basically, since 2002, every premiership team had lost its most recent meeting with the team it beat in the Grand Final. 2001 was the last time this did not happen, when Brisbane beat Essendon in Round 10 and then again the next time they met in the Grand Final.

2002: Round 8: Collingwood 17.12 (114) def Brisbane Lions 16.15 (111)
Grand Final: Collingwood 9.12 (66) def by Brisbane Lions 10.15 (75)
2003: Qualifying Final: Collingwood 9.12 (66) def Brisbane Lions 7.9 (51)
Grand Final: Brisbane Lions 20.14 (134) def Collingwood 12.12 (84)
2004: Round 11: Brisbane Lions 18.15 (123) def Port Adelaide 12.14 (86)
Grand Final: Port Adelaide 17.11 (113) def Brisbane Lions 10.13 (73)
2005: Qualifying Final: West Coast 10.9 (69) def Sydney 10.5 (65)
Grand Final: Sydney 8.10 (58) def West Coast 7.12 (54)
2006: Qualifying Final: West Coast 12.12 (84) def by Sydney 13.7 (85)
Grand Final: Sydney 12.12 (84) def by West Coast 12.13 (85)
2007: Round 21: Geelong 15.11 (101) def by Port Adelaide 16.10 (106)
Grand Final: Geelong 24.19 (163) def Port Adelaide 6.8 (44)
2008: Round 17: Hawthorn 11.11 (77) def by Geelong 12.16 (88)
Grand Final: Geelong 11.23 (89) def by Hawthorn 18.7 (115)
2009: Round 14: St Kilda 14.7 (91) def Geelong 13.7 (85)
Grand Final: St Kilda 9.14 (68) def by Geelong 12.8 (80)

So the result was reversed on GF day every year from 2002 to the end of the decade. Very interesting I think, is it random or is it that the team that lost last time learnt the most ahead of the big day? Are they more determined? Are the other team overconfident? Or is this a stupid statistic that means nothing?

2006 is pretty amazing too in that the scores were identical, although the winners with a different goal-behinds too.

There has been like 4 threads on this in the past month... but yea, i think it is a pretty interesting fact

 

[FootyJunkie]

2001 was the last time this did not happen, when Brisbane beat Essendon in Round 10 and then again the next time they met in the Grand Final.

The infamous "if it bleeds, we can kill it" game.

 

[watermelonslice]

So the result was reversed on GF day every year from 2002 to the end of the decade. Very interesting I think, is it random or is it that the team that lost last time learnt the most ahead of the big day? Are they more determined? Are the other team overconfident? Or is this a stupid statistic that means nothing?

Most of the H&A encounters have been extremely close. Five have been within a goal, which indicates the outcomes could have gone either way. The way I see it, the team that got close but ultimately lost may have a sense of 'we can beat them' optimism, whereas the team that barely won may think more along the lines of 'damn, we barely got over the line that one time'. Purely speculative concept on my behalf. I know that this trend did not give me any confidence heading into the Grand Final this year. This stat probably doesn't mean all that much.

Apparently, you don't haunt Bigfooty enough because this has been posted everywhere in the last month or so.

 

[STC]

Most of the H&A encounters have been extremely close. Five have been within a goal, which indicates the outcomes could have gone either way. The way I see it, the team that got close but ultimately lost may have a sense of 'we can beat them' optimism, whereas the team that barely won may think more along the lines of 'damn, we barely got over the line that one time'. Purely speculative concept on my behalf. I know that this trend did not give me any confidence heading into the Grand Final this year. This stat probably doesn't mean all that much.

Apparently, you don't haunt Bigfooty enough because this has been posted everywhere in the last month or so.

Oops

I actually looked it up myself after Round 14, I realise I'm a bit late anyway...

 

[GoTheSwannies]

i find the following interesting

2005: Qualifying Final: West Coast 10.9 (69) def Sydney 10.5 (65)
Grand Final: Sydney 8.10 (58) def West Coast 7.12 (54)
2006: Qualifying Final: West Coast 12.12 (84) def by Sydney 13.7 (85)
Grand Final: Sydney 12.12 (84) def by West Coast 12.13 (85)

in both 05 & 06 the games were won/lost by the same margin...4 points in 05 and 1 point in 06...so it was only fitting that sydney n wce shared a flag each...it would've been a b!tch if either team won both

 

[Brett5150]

The Swans and The Eagles had some great rivalry 4/5 years ago, and their games were tough, and low scoring. Miss those days.

 

[Ruse]

Interesting fact, Every premiership club for the last 21 years had a player with the name Brown somewhere on their list.

 

[#14Ward]

The Swans and The Eagles had some great rivalry 4/5 years ago, and their games were tough, and low scoring. Miss those days.

You enjoy low scoring?

 

[Spluff]

I believe every premiership team this decade has had a brownlow medallist in the side, as well.

You enjoy low scoring?

He supports St Kilda.

 

[Lensen]

Low scoring close games >>> high scoring close games

When every goal absolutely means everything, desparation is higher and the sense of excitement is much higher IMO

 

[GoTheSwannies]

high scoring games kinda cheapen the value of goals...not saying they're not fun to watch...but i'd much prefer an arm wrestle

plus....with high scoring games there's always the possibility one team just gets blown out of the water and falls behind by 5 or 6 goals and the game's over way before the siren sounds (barring a miracle)...with tight games where there's a goal or two the difference the game can be turned very quickly

 

[pacemaker]

Great statistic

Adelaide lost 05 and 06 preliminary finals to WCE by both less by 10 i think kid A

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Interesting fact, Every premiership club for the last 21 years had a player with the name Brown somewhere on their list.

Could you name the Port Adelaide player please?

 

[Ferris_rules]

very interesting. I remember in 2005 we beat the Coasters in R22 on their turf to sela top spot then lost to them in a prelim. I don't know if it's just coincidence or if the incumbent side simply were hiding an ace up their sleeve.

Blight did that in 98 during the late minor round against North, he deliberately didnt expose game plans, we subsequently lost that game. The rest is history.

 

[shoe]

2006: Qualifying Final: West Coast 12.12 (84) def by Sydney 13.7 (85)
Grand Final: Sydney 12.12 (84) def by West Coast 12.13 (85)

Epic.

Knew this was how it worked out a few times, but didn't realise it was such a long trend.

 

[trashos mob]

Could you name the Port Adelaide player please?

wanganeen

 

[Eddie Dingle]

wanganeen

You are a clever little boy aren't you?

 

[Whispers]

Could you name the Port Adelaide player please?

Is that when the club won the premiership or just in the past 21 years, each club has had a Brown on their list?

David Brown played for the Power - not in 2004 though.

 

[Jeebus]

The Swans and The Eagles had some great rivalry 4/5 years ago, and their games were tough, and low scoring. Miss those days.

It's far from over..

1 Sydney 10 16.10 (106) vs West Coast 11 15.11 (101) 2009 8 ANZ 5
2 Sydney 5 12.11 (83) vs West Coast 13 11.12 (78) 2008 11 Sub 5
3 Sydney 4 16.11 (107) vs West Coast 13 5.15 (45) 2008 4 ANZ 62
4 Sydney 8 15.10 (100) vs West Coast 4 16.16 (112) 2007 16 Sub -12
5 Sydney 10.13 (73) vs West Coast 11.8 (74) 2007 1 ANZ -1
6 Sydney 12.12 (84) vs West Coast 12.13 (85) 2006 GF MCG -1
7 Sydney 13.7 (85) vs West Coast 12.12 (84) 2006 1QF Sub 1
8 Sydney 6 9.11 (65) vs West Coast 2 9.13 (67) 2006 15 Sub -2
9 Sydney 8.10 (58) vs West Coast 7.12 (54) 2005 GF MCG 4
10 Sydney 10.5 (65) vs West Coast 10.9 (69) 2005 2QF Sub -4

8 of the last 10 games decided by less than a goal n one by 12 points.

The last two games in 08 and 09 have been 5 points including a kick right on the siren by Jude Bolton.

Rivalry is still going strong.

 

[UpForGrabs]

Interesting fact, Every premiership club for the last 21 years had a player with the name Brown somewhere on their list.

West Coast in 2006 didn't.

We signed Mitch Brown in the 2006 NAB Draft.

Also, I don't think Sydney had a Brown in 2005 - correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

[Power King]

It's far from over..

1 Sydney 10 16.10 (106) vs West Coast 11 15.11 (101) 2009 8 ANZ 5
2 Sydney 5 12.11 (83) vs West Coast 13 11.12 (78) 2008 11 Sub 5
3 Sydney 4 16.11 (107) vs West Coast 13 5.15 (45) 2008 4 ANZ 62
4 Sydney 8 15.10 (100) vs West Coast 4 16.16 (112) 2007 16 Sub -12
5 Sydney 10.13 (73) vs West Coast 11.8 (74) 2007 1 ANZ -1
6 Sydney 12.12 (84) vs West Coast 12.13 (85) 2006 GF MCG -1
7 Sydney 13.7 (85) vs West Coast 12.12 (84) 2006 1QF Sub 1
8 Sydney 6 9.11 (65) vs West Coast 2 9.13 (67) 2006 15 Sub -2
9 Sydney 8.10 (58) vs West Coast 7.12 (54) 2005 GF MCG 4
10 Sydney 10.5 (65) vs West Coast 10.9 (69) 2005 2QF Sub -4

8 of the last 10 games decided by less than a goal n one by 12 points.

The last two games in 08 and 09 have been 5 points including a kick right on the siren by Jude Bolton.

Rivalry is still going strong.

I'd say it may appear not to be strong to the eyes of neutrals because there is now less attention on these two teams seeing as they haven't been at the top for a couple of years now.

 

[tin can sam]

Interesting fact, Every premiership club for the last 21 years had a player with the name Brown somewhere on their list.

Geelong didn't in 2007.

 

[wazcats]

every premiership teams this decade has had
- a brownlow medalist
- a rising star winner
- a previous premiership winner
and - at least 5 All Australians

Geelong only had 2 all australians and a ppp in 2007 but had all bases covered by grand final day.