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pstew2dstew said:
People who want evidence about nazis coming to get us.
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Is your definition of ‘evidence’ a column of panzers rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue, because yeah, it won’t meet that standard.

pstew2dstew said:
You said that same thing about Trump the first 4 years.....
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No. And I certainly didn’t say that about Musk, who I assumed was just a wacky neurodivergent guy who liked science and tech.

pstew2dstew said:
We got the same bullsh"" we got from every president. But no nazis.
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January 6 = “same bullsh-t”? Gotcha.
 
pstew2dstew said:
Is there any red team who spout their BS on this board?

Or is it all team blue?
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We had that kid who sounded like a ChatGPT amalgam of Joe Rogan, Tim Pool, Nick Fuentes and Ben Shapiro who accused me of giving him a heart attack.
 
tribey said:
Is your definition of ‘evidence’ a column of panzers rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue, because yeah, it won’t meet that standard.



No. And I certainly didn’t say that about Musk, who I assumed was just a wacky neurodivergent guy who liked science and tech.



January 6 = “same bullsh-t”? Gotcha.
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My evidence for nazis taking over will have have to be more than tattoos as you can imagine. Extraordinary claims require Extraordinary evidence

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You personally might have not said nothing but i do remember blue team using nazis were coming.

Jan 6th had nothing to do with nazis

Jan 6th was 1 day (no excuses) legit crazy, but if this is nazis blue team burnt down and took over cities for months lol. Is blue team nazis now based on this?
 

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pstew2dstew said:
There's no nazis coming to get you tribes,

Nobody believes that ish anymore.

Except blue team circles.
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Let's shelve the Nazi word for a second...

On day 1 he releases hundreds of "political prisoners" who committed violence on his behalf

He has been calling the free press an enemy of the state for years

He's stacked the courts, his party and promoted unqualified people into the highest positions of power who are yes men

He's continuously threatened retribution for his political enemies.

He's done everything he can to undermine the concept of objective truth or that experts in their field are qualified to advise and make decisions in their area of expertise.


None of us know the future, but you can't be THAT blind to not see the potential danger, or that this has all happened before.
 
JimmyBC said:
You guys really have a problem with Germans shedding the past and not being weighed down by the sins of people the best part of 100 years ago?

Don't go looking in your family trees too closely there's bound to be someone in there that you deserve a flogging over.
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If you can’t see that this is musk, one of the most powerful men in the world, openly telling Germans following a pro-nationalist extremist party not to be ashamed of a mass genocide is a call to arms for pro-nationalist (Nazi) supporters then I can only assume you don’t want to see that.

As with anything context is everything. You know the context here.

This isn’t a bunch of people who need convincing they should not feel something in their history was bad, and Elon isn’t robin Williams telling them “it’s not your fault. It’s not your fault”

it’s a man who just openly heiled Hitler at the inauguration of the wannabe dictator he installed addressing the followers of a pro-nationalist party in Germany.
 
Cam1870 said:
Let's shelve the Nazi word for a second...

On day 1 he releases hundreds of "political prisoners" who committed violence on his behalf

He has been calling the free press an enemy of the state for years

He's stacked the courts, his party and promoted unqualified people into the highest positions of power who are yes men

He's continuously threatened retribution for his political enemies.

He's done everything he can to undermine the concept of objective truth or that experts in their field are qualified to advise and make decisions in their area of expertise.


None of us know the future, but you can't be THAT blind to not see the potential danger, or that this has all happened before.
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My problems with the term nazi is that blue team throws this at people who disagree with them, this is just how many who follow blue team ideology behave. Secondly red team slings the same BS at blue team political opponents with the same level of evidence and youtube links.who am I to believe are " the good guys"

You may have a legit claim but it's come to point where this nonsense has expired for both sides its been going on for over a decade. None of these political ideologies have made the world a better place or evolved humanity to a higher level. Just greater division and pure hatred for each other, stemming from absolute garbage fear mongering conspiracies.

I am willing to believe you but if I am going to get myself into a mindframe where I'm in genuine fear Nazis are coming back into power your going to have to provide hard hitting evidence. I think that's a fair request given the context.
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"On day 1 he releases hundreds of "political prisoners" who committed violence on his behalf"

Wait what? This is new information to me can please share what you mean regarding this.



"He's continuously threatened retribution for his political enemies"

They ALL do this.... Until I see Musk actually do something of this nature it's a nothing burger to me.



"He's done everything he can to undermine the concept of objective truth or that experts in their field are qualified to advise and make decisions in their area of expertise"

Absolutely I agree

He bought Twitter/X and turned it from blue team BS to more red team BS ...boohoo...you still have reddit youtube google backing the blue....but if Zucks latest video cupping Trumps balls is to go by you may have lost Facebook too. The video where Zucks apologises for pushing your ideology. Looking forward to how Zucks comes out in the wash in the coming years.

None of this makes Musk a nazi or makes me believe nazis are going to come into any sort of power in the coming years. It will be just another 4 years of blue team v red team BS.
 
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pstew2dstew said:
My problems with the term nazi is that blue team throws this at people who disagree with them, this is just how many who follow blue team ideology behave. Secondly red team slings the same BS at blue team political opponents with the same level of evidence and youtube links.who am I to believe are " the good guys"

You may have a legit claim but it's come to point where this nonsense has expired for both sides its been going on for over a decade. None of these political ideologies have made the world a better place or evolved humanity to a higher level. Just greater division and pure hatred for each other, stemming from absolute garbage fear mongering conspiracies.

I am willing to believe you but if I am going to get myself into a mindframe where I'm in genuine fear Nazis are coming back into power your going to have to provide hard hitting evidence. I think that's a fair request given the context.
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"On day 1 he releases hundreds of "political prisoners" who committed violence on his behalf"

Wait what? This is new information to me can please share what you mean regarding this.



"He's continuously threatened retribution for his political enemies"

They ALL do this.... Until I see Musk actually do something of this nature it's a nothing burger to me.



"He's done everything he can to undermine the concept of objective truth or that experts in their field are qualified to advise and make decisions in their area of expertise"

Absolutely I agree

He bought Twitter/X and turned it from blue team BS to more red team BS ...boohoo...you still have reddit youtube google backing the blue....but if Zucks latest video cupping Trumps balls is to go by you may have lost Facebook too. The video where Zucks apologises for pushing your ideology. Looking forward to how Zucks comes out in the wash in the coming years.

None of this makes Musk a nazi or makes me believe nazis are going to come into any sort of power in the coming years. It will be just another 4 years of blue team v red team BS.
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In one sense, if you're Elon, you're Trump's right hand man and you're chucking nazi salutes at his inauguration, you're gonna be labelled a Nazi.

But the Nazi thing is also a distraction. Trump is racist but he doesn't get up in the morning with a burning and genuine hatred of Jews. This won't play out just like WW2, even in its worst scenarios. He's motivated by power and corruption. But, all the things he's doing to turn a democracy into his fiefdom is absolutely something Hitler would recognise.

If you think Nazi is thrown around too liberally that's fine, you're probably right. But this is definitely not one of those "both sides are equally bad" things, red and blue just tell at each other etc. What's going on here is very different.

You asked about the releasing violent thugs thing : https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tr...n-leave-prison-following-sweeping-2025-01-21/
 
Trump vows to impose heavy U.S. sanctions, tariffs on Colombia after it turns away deportation planes Colombia condemns use of military planes, suggesting it treats migrants like criminals.

Colombia announces it will impose 50% tariffs on US imports in response to President Trump’s measures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
philthy05 said:
If you can’t see that this is musk, one of the most powerful men in the world, openly telling Germans following a pro-nationalist extremist party not to be ashamed of a mass genocide is a call to arms for pro-nationalist (Nazi) supporters then I can only assume you don’t want to see that.

As with anything context is everything. You know the context here.

This isn’t a bunch of people who need convincing they should not feel something in their history was bad, and Elon isn’t robin Williams telling them “it’s not your fault. It’s not your fault”

it’s a man who just openly heiled Hitler at the inauguration of the wannabe dictator he installed addressing the followers of a pro-nationalist party in Germany.
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Anything short of Elon Musk donning a Hitler mustache and saying "I, Elon Musk, am a Nazi" won't convince the people who don't want to be convinced.
 

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Holden Hillbilly said:
Trump vows to impose heavy U.S. sanctions, tariffs on Colombia after it turns away deportation planes Colombia condemns use of military planes, suggesting it treats migrants like criminals.

Colombia announces it will impose 50% tariffs on US imports in response to President Trump’s measures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Let's hope the ignorant feck doesn't impose sanctions on Austria.

 

Cam1870 said:
In one sense, if you're Elon, you're Trump's right hand man and you're chucking nazi salutes at his inauguration, you're gonna be labelled a Nazi.

But the Nazi thing is also a distraction. Trump is racist but he doesn't get up in the morning with a burning and genuine hatred of Jews. This won't play out just like WW2, even in its worst scenarios. He's motivated by power and corruption. But, all the things he's doing to turn a democracy into his fiefdom is absolutely something Hitler would recognise.

If you think Nazi is thrown around too liberally that's fine, you're probably right. But this is definitely not one of those "both sides are equally bad" things, red and blue just tell at each other etc. What's going on here is very different.

You asked about the releasing violent thugs thing : https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tr...n-leave-prison-following-sweeping-2025-01-21/
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The semantic obsession with labels is default cope.

He’ll tick all the boxes of fascist rule, but because there won’t be the Hugo Boss uniforms, a panzerfaust in every elderly hand, or smokestacks wafting the scent of burnt anus over piles of gold teeth, it’s just bLuE tEaM something something.
 
The world is here because you just had a cadaver incapable of making decisions as President followed by a woman running the worst campaign in history so detached from the needs of the great unwashed it was almost live comedy.

You've actually already had the worst.
 
JimmyBC said:
The world is here because you just had a cadaver incapable of making decisions as President followed by a woman running the worst campaign in history so detached from the needs of the great unwashed it was almost live comedy.

You've actually already had the worst.
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The DNC is a joke.

That’s not a “well, what did you expect?” validation of a regime that is counterproductive for everyone beyond the billionaires who are falling over themselves to suck Trump’s arseh*le.
 
Cam1870 said:
In one sense, if you're Elon, you're Trump's right hand man and you're chucking nazi salutes at his inauguration, you're gonna be labelled a Nazi.

But the Nazi thing is also a distraction. Trump is racist but he doesn't get up in the morning with a burning and genuine hatred of Jews. This won't play out just like WW2, even in its worst scenarios. He's motivated by power and corruption. But, all the things he's doing to turn a democracy into his fiefdom is absolutely something Hitler would recognise.

If you think Nazi is thrown around too liberally that's fine, you're probably right. But this is definitely not one of those "both sides are equally bad" things, red and blue just tell at each other etc. What's going on here is very different.

You asked about the releasing violent thugs thing : https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tr...n-leave-prison-following-sweeping-2025-01-21/
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First off, thank you the response is very cordial which is appreciated in these discussions.


"If you think Nazi is thrown around too liberally that's fine, you're probably right. But this is definitely not one of those "both sides are equally bad" things, red and blue just tell at each other etc. What's going on here is very different"

You are, you're both capable of destruction hatred and produce the same level of evidence for bias conspiracies. Obama/Joan rivers, Hillary emails podesta bros/jon bennet pizza gate eyes wide shut blue team behaviour. Instead of throwing nazi salutes blue teams throwing up devil/freemason signs.

the ideologies are a complete mirror image.



"Trump is racist but he doesn't get up in the morning with a burning and genuine hatred of Jews."

Trumps racist now. Stop with this. If you said Trump treats women like s"" this would be more accurate and adds credibility to your presentation, but it's these baseless accusations which degrades what is a very cordial post.

"You asked about the releasing violent thugs thing"

Jan 6th riotors. If this is the standard for the fear you feel you should fear your own side, they did the same s"" with people who took over cities and burnt them down. Not one day of burning....months of burning down cities.
 
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Geez the cope in here. So, we think the guy who wants to cede power to the states wherever it belongs both in his first and current term is a fascist.. he seems to be doing it wrong, again.

I also agree yes Germany shouldn't be burdened by it's terrible past mistakes, two generations ago. Has anyone been to these places recently? If you haven't then look at some of the videos online, if you were living there and you're seeing your way of life rapidly disappear and voting the same way again is only going to accelerate that decline maybe terminally then you'd be ready to shed those guilty chains too.

There's also nothing really far right about the German or French opposition either besides wanting to curb illegal immigration to save their way of life. We only get a snippet (if it even makes the news here) of the horrors that were never an issue (even bigger scale in parts of the USA) that the locals now deal with, those kids getting stabbed at kindy last week is not the first time in Germany so no one should judge from afar how it feels to be those people.

Take a look what's happening in Ireland in small country towns etc, villages and ways of life destroyed by the government and it's the change that no one asked for which is causing the majority to put their foot down and vote for change and that change is not going to be from either establishment parties anywhere.
 
StrappingTape said:
So, we think the guy who wants to cede power to the states wherever it belongs both in his first and current term is a fascist.. he seems to be doing it wrong, again.
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Demanding California — which has propped up the destitute red states of the south since the cost of picking cotton shot up — accept a raft of ideologically-driven conditions before releasing federal funds for wildfire recovery and relief, and signing an EO to override their existing state laws, doesn’t sound like ‘ceding power to the states’ to me.

It’s ‘state’s rights’ for Republican governors, and federal overreach for Democratic governors.

They’re not even pretending to hide it.
 
pstew2dstew said:
My problems with the term nazi is that blue team throws this at people who disagree with them,
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Elon made a Nazi salute , pushed a pro-nationalist idiot into power in America and is campaigning for a German pro-nationalist party.

Nazi isnt being thrown around randomly you numpty.
 
pstew2dstew said:
First off, thank you the response is very cordial which is appreciated in these discussions.


"If you think Nazi is thrown around too liberally that's fine, you're probably right. But this is definitely not one of those "both sides are equally bad" things, red and blue just tell at each other etc. What's going on here is very different"

You are, you're both capable of destruction hatred and produce the same level of evidence for bias conspiracies. Obama/Joan rivers, Hillary emails podesta bros/jon bennet pizza gate eyes wide shut blue team behaviour. Instead of throwing nazi salutes blue teams throwing up devil/freemason signs.

the ideologies are a complete mirror image.



"Trump is racist but he doesn't get up in the morning with a burning and genuine hatred of Jews."

Trumps racist now. Stop with this. If you said Trump treats women like s"" this would be more accurate and adds credibility to your presentation, but it's these baseless accusations which degrades what is a very cordial post.

"You asked about the releasing violent thugs thing"

Jan 6th riotors. If this is the standard for the fear you feel you should fear your own side, they did the same s"" with people who took over cities and burnt them down. Not one day of burning....months of burning down cities.
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We're not going to agree and there's no point trading tit for tat accusations between sides and supporting what seems to me to be a fairly straightforward statement that Trump is, among other things, racist. Agree, disagree, feel it's a problem or don't, whatever.

There's just one thing I'll push back on - ideologies are mirror images. If you value a society where there's more empathy, less marginalisation and demonization of minorities, less state sponsored political violence and peaceful transfers of power after democratic elections, not to mention the world's big problems (pandemics, climate) require global action, they are not mirror images. An America under Biden/Clinton/even AOC vs one under Trump are very very different in all these regards, even if you quite reasonably don't like democrats or their politics.

Trump, specifically Trump, is a unique threat and to not see it is to be willfully looking away
 

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