Iran Conflict 2019 - ??

[The Warlord]

Thread for tracking and discussing the US/Israel/KSA/UAE v Iran conflict.

Current state of play:

- US applying "full court press" economic blockade
- US President says will negotiate with Iran if they "give up nuclear program", despite walking away from deal that does that already (JCPOA)
- US undertaking military build up in theatre - bombers and aircraft carrier battle group
- Iran says will withdraw from JCPOA within 60 days if Europeans do not find a way to effectively remove or ameliorate US sanctions

Key questions:

- Will the war turn hot?
- Will the Iranian people rise and overthrow the government as the US hopes?
- What will Russia and China do?
- What will the Europeans do?
- What do local powers like Syria, Iraq and Turkey do?

 

[awaremind]

Seems like an epic bullying exercise and a bad move strategically in that it makes the USA look like a tyrannical power whose word is not trustworthy. Also makes zero sense in the war on Sunni terrorism. Would undo all of trump anti war credentials . Would also confirm USAs status as being controlled by empire building zionists.

Likely will make fuel prices skyrocket.

 

[SilentHunter_]

The US citizens are already being prepared for the upcoming conflict if you look at all major news outlets, and so are we to some extent so I'd imagine it is going to be very soon.

 

[awaremind]

If it does happen itll be more of a reach than Vietnam or Afghanistan, and it could have global destabilizing effect. Totally unnecessary and foolish.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

If it does happen itll be more of a reach than Vietnam or Afghanistan, and it could have global destabilizing effect. Totally unnecessary and foolish.

I didn’t like Syria just because I could see how a “win” occurs (far too divided and it has ongoing civil war written all over it), and its the same with Venezuela and Iran. I can’t see how either situation gets better once us boots hit the ground.

And fwiw I’m no pacifist. I backed Afghanistan and stupidly Iraq (I believed Powell, I know...)

 

[awaremind]

By Eric Margolis
Is it just a coincidence that TV networks are re-running old “Dirty Harry” films just as a powerful US Naval armada and Air Force B-52 bombers are headed for what could be a clash with Iran? Here we go again with the “good guys” versus the “bad guys,” and “make my day.”

Maybe it’s more bluffing? The current US military deployment was scheduled before the latest flare-up with Iran, but the bellicose threats of White House neocon crusaders like John Bolton and Mike Pompeo certainly create the impression that the US wants war.

Adding to the warlike excitement, President Trump just ordered seizure of a large North Korean bulk cargo ship. This was clearly a brazen act of war and violation of international law. More dangerous brinkmanship by administration war-mongers who increasingly appear besotted by power and hubris.

So much for the president who vowed to avoid foreign wars – and so much for the millions of anti-war voters who believed him.

Why does Trump let his two horsemen of the apocalypse get away with this?

I’m following this latest gunboat diplomacy with particular interest because I had the privilege in 1994 of going to sea on the very same aircraft carrier, “CVN-72 USS Abraham Lincoln” that is now reportedly steaming towards Iran’s coast. With it are a nuclear submarine, a cruiser and a group of destroyers, all equipped with land-attack missiles.

As a former soldier and war correspondent, I was deeply impressed by the “Lincoln” and her youthful crew. They were efficient, motivated and superbly well-organized. In our lifetime, no other navy will ever equal the skills of the US carrier fleet. The only real threat to America’s huge carriers is the growing power and accuracy of Russian, Chinese and Indian heavy anti-ship missiles.

The Navy task force is backed up by B-52 nuclear-capable heavy bombers now stationed in Qatar, and US warplanes from other bases in the Gulf, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Turkey, Jordan, and Pakistan that effectively surround Iran. The carriers are just for show and threat.

Israel, which is eager to see the US attack Iran, has helpfully provided “intelligence” allegedly showing that Iran is planning to attack certain US installations in the Mideast. Interestingly, Israel and its American supporters did the same thing in 2001 and 2003, pushing the US to attack its foe Iraq. Washington largely relied on Israeli intelligence about Iraq since its own resources were so weak – and senior Bush administration neocons kept touting the claims from Israel.

President Trump sees himself as an emperor besieged by Washington Lilliputians. There’s nothing like a jolly little war to shut up all his critics and garner media support. Even better, the “bad guys” in this case are “Eye-ranian” Muslims. Trump’s religious base would thrill at the prospect of pounding the Islamic Republic. During the Bush administration years, over 80 percent of so-called “born again” Christians backed war against Iraq. What happened to “turn the other cheek?”

This administration’s neocons have made it their life’s work to destroy Iran, which is considered Israel’s only serious enemy and a champion of the Palestinian cause.

The Trump administration has largely fallen under the influence of Israel’s hard right in foreign and military affairs. So Bolton and Pompeo are clearly trying to engineer an incident that would spark war.

Not full-scale war, but an excuse for the US and Israel to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities, key military sites and communications infrastructure as was done with Iraq. It won’t be back all the way to the Stone Age, but half way, so that Iran’s development is set back by a decade.

Israel will then use its control over the US Congress to keep Iran under a very tight embargo. The Pentagon’s original plan to punish Iran called for some 2,300 air strikes on Day 1 alone.

Washington’s hope, as usual, is that growing misery and hardship in Iran will provoke a revolt to oust the Islamic government, allowing the US to install the exiled Iranian royalists it has waiting in Southern California. This was the pattern in Cuba, Nicaragua, Iraq, Syria, Libya and now Venezuela. It’s not diplomacy, just brute force.

 

[Werewolf]

If it does happen itll be more of a reach than Vietnam or Afghanistan, and it could have global destabilizing effect. Totally unnecessary and foolish.

Agree, however IMO it won't happen and this is confirmed by sources that I trust.

 

[Poor Form]

Just another blood for oil trade from Uncle Sam and his bag carriers (us). Would be very displeased to see another war in the ME.

 

[Financialpanther]

Wartime presidents tend to poll well at the election booths historically don’t they (at least in opinion polls)?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[The Warlord]

https://www.theage.com.au/world/mid...trades-tweets-with-trump-20190521-p51pft.html

Why do I have a feeling the Iranians are playing the Yanks on the break here?

 

[strauchnyy]

Seems like an epic bullying exercise and a bad move strategically in that it makes the USA look like a tyrannical power whose word is not trustworthy. Also makes zero sense in the war on Sunni terrorism. Would undo all of trump anti war credentials . Would also confirm USAs status as being controlled by empire building zionists.

Likely will make fuel prices skyrocket.

ahhh excuse me?

who are these "empire building zionists"? Care to name names and provide evidence?

How are the USA being controlled?

What is the Zionists 'cough - jews - cough' master plan? evidence?

Are you rehashing old Nazi fictional WWII propaganda that Jews, I mean Zionists, are seeking to control the world?

Rather than rehashing old conspiracy theories, could it just be that Israel and Iran don't like each other because Iran funds terrorism (Hezbollla) to fight Israel whilst calling for Israel's destruction with Iran the no.1 funder of Islamic terrorism in the region? Or is it easier to just run with wild, baseless conspiracy theories?

Are the master planning evil jew zionists sitting in a lair in Dr Evil's Volcano?

Back on topic to the OP.. It's certainly heading to a point of who will be blink first (US/Iran). Not sure what will happen

 

[awaremind]

Was wondering when you’d turn up. There’s whole books explaining it. William Engdahls’ “A century of war” is well written and researched and explains everything pretty well.

 

[The Warlord]

ahhh excuse me?

who are these "empire building zionists"? Care to name names and provide evidence?

How are the USA being controlled?

What is the Zionists 'cough - jews - cough' master plan? evidence?

Are you rehashing old Nazi fictional WWII propaganda that Jews, I mean Zionists, are seeking to control the world?

Rather than rehashing old conspiracy theories, could it just be that Israel and Iran don't like each other because Iran funds terrorism (Hezbollla) to fight Israel whilst calling for Israel's destruction with Iran the no.1 funder of Islamic terrorism in the region? Or is it easier to just run with wild, baseless conspiracy theories?

Are the master planning evil jew zionists sitting in a lair in Dr Evil's Volcano?

Back on topic to the OP.. It's certainly heading to a point of who will be blink first (US/Iran). Not sure what will happen

Ahhhhh, it isn't Julius Streicher territory to suggest that Israel is very keen for the Americans to keep Iran in check.

You asked for names and evidence, here's Benjamin Netanyahu.



(Also, you mentioned Hezbollah. You do know Hezbollah started to resist Israel's invasion and occupation in Lebanon right? And Iran isn't the number one sponsor of Islamic terrorism, that would Saudi Arabia, our ally in the fight against evil Iran)

 

[Mofra]

Rather than rehashing old conspiracy theories, could it just be that Israel and Iran don't like each other because Iran funds terrorism (Hezbollla) to fight Israel whilst calling for Israel's destruction with Iran the no.1 funder of Islamic terrorism in the region? Or is it easier to just run with wild, baseless conspiracy theories?

Please, tell me more about how Shia Iran is funding Sunni/Whabbist extremism.

 

[The Warlord]

Please, tell me more about how Shia Iran is funding Sunni/Whabbist extremism.

The same Iran that provided the Americans with detailed targeting information in 2001 to help them take down the Taliban?

The Iran that offered to hand over Bin Laden's family to the Americans if they handed over the MEK weirdos in return?

Those monsters?

The Iranians who had actually done a deal with the West and were sticking to it until Trump got in and walked away from it coz Obama was mean to him in 2011?

 

[The Warlord]

In a sensible world, we would be allied with Iran against Saudi and the UAE.

 

[awaremind]

ahhh excuse me?

who are these "empire building zionists"? Care to name names and provide evidence?

How are the USA being controlled?

What is the Zionists 'cough - jews - cough' master plan? evidence?

Are you rehashing old Nazi fictional WWII propaganda that Jews, I mean Zionists, are seeking to control the world?

Rather than rehashing old conspiracy theories, could it just be that Israel and Iran don't like each other because Iran funds terrorism (Hezbollla) to fight Israel whilst calling for Israel's destruction with Iran the no.1 funder of Islamic terrorism in the region? Or is it easier to just run with wild, baseless conspiracy theories?

Are the master planning evil jew zionists sitting in a lair in Dr Evil's Volcano?

Back on topic to the OP.. It's certainly heading to a point of who will be blink first (US/Iran). Not sure what will happen

What kind of nut job propaganda do you believe in to think that Sunni terrorism is being sponsored by the nation that puts the boots on the ground and sacrifices its special forces fighting them. Actually wait the us actually does that from time to time.

 

[strauchnyy]

Was wondering when you’d turn up. There’s whole books explaining it. William Engdahls’ “A century of war” is well written and researched and explains everything pretty well.

Haven't read the book, maybe you could enlighten me?

In your view, do you think Jews (or Zionists) have a plan to take over and control the world? Curious on your response.

 

[The Warlord]

What kind of nut job propaganda do you believe in to think that Sunni terrorism is being sponsored by the nation that puts the boots on the ground and sacrifices its special forces fighting them. Actually wait the us actually does that from time to time.

Yep, no group has lost more people to Sunni terrorism than the Shia, and nobody has done harder fighting to defeat them than the Iranian-led forces.

They fought literally house to house from the outskirts of Baghdad all the way to the Grand Mosque of Mosul kicking their arses.

 

[Cooldude]

It was about time they hit Iran, they need another BS war, for reasons. Would happen whether it's Clinton or Trump

 

[awaremind]

Haven't read the book, maybe you could enlighten me?

In your view, do you think Jews (or Zionists) have a plan to take over and control the world? Curious on your response.

Not the average ones on the street that’s for sure

 

[strauchnyy]

What kind of nut job propaganda do you believe in to think that Sunni terrorism is being sponsored by the nation that puts the boots on the ground and sacrifices its special forces fighting them. Actually wait the us actually does that from time to time.

According to the USA, Iran is the no.1 sponsor of state run terrorism. These groups include Hamas, Hezbolla, AlQueda, Taliban & more. That is what I have been referring to. If your argument is there a bigger funders.. then that is not really a positive thing to say about Iran. Just as someone else may (or may not) be funding or furthing terror more is not an excuse.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41617488

My point is you are demonising a group of people based off pure fictional conspiracies... the same conspiracies used over the centuries (including nazis). It's quite sickening to read it on a footy forum

 

[strauchnyy]

Not the average ones on the street that’s for sure

Who are the "average ones"? Care to elaborate?

So about these "non-average" jews that are planning to take over and control the world (as you would believe)... what is there plan? My curiosity is growing.

 

[The Warlord]

According to the USA, Iran is the no.1 sponsor of state run terrorism. These groups include Hamas, Hezbolla, AlQueda, Taliban & more. That is what I have been referring to. If your argument is there a bigger funders.. then that is not really a positive thing to say about Iran. Just as someone else may (or may not) be funding or furthing terror more is not an excuse.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41617488

My point is you are demonising a group of people based off pure fictional conspiracies... the same conspiracies used over the centuries (including nazis). It's quite sickening to read it on a footy forum

Dude, you do know that Iran fought the Taliban?