Delisted Jack Martin [Selected by Carlton in the PSD]

[manang magoos]

PSD Pick 1 Gold Coast Sun Tony special Jack Martin , but he don't want to be there, should put 5 million for 5 years in his contract then. One million for one years 2020 GCS got money to spend, worse come to worse like GWS salary dump and trade him for a penny like patton in 2020. Lol

What are you trying to say here

 

[Peel67skin]

What are you trying to say here

There is a possibility Tony going to pick him at pick 1 in PSD Draft. I don't even try no wonder you don't understand.

* If what Carlton supporter reported that Tony block the trade deal is true.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

There is a possibility Tony going to pick him at pick 1 in PSD Draft. I don't even try no wonder you don't understand.

* If what Carlton supporter reported that Tony block the trade deal is true.

That’s a fair point.

Tony Cochrane is like Kim Jong-un .... crazy unpredictable.

He very well may go that far just to prove his point.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

There is a possibility Tony going to pick him at pick 1 in PSD Draft. I don't even try no wonder you don't understand.

Fun, then the Crows will poach Luko at the end of next season with their ample war chest in their Salary Cap.

Suns need to cut their losses and move on, don't think if the Suns re-draft Martin it will deter us from trying to plunder your young talent, Matty Rowell is a mad Blues fan, two years time, cha-ching, the Blues and our Navy Blue War chest will come a knocking. (Luko is bit of a snowflake imo, not really interested tbh)

Things can only get worse for the Suns if they re-draft Martin, we all know you guys have to (rightfully) pay overs to re-sign Rankine and Ben King etc, put Martin on this price on your books for the next five years, and bang, there will even be better (and younger) talent to prise from the Suns
grasp.

But at least Tony Cochrane and The Suns would have made a 'stance', you will have always have that to fall on when you lose more top draft picks to other clubs.

 

[GatesOfHell]

With respect, I think its you who’s misreading the tea leaves.

Consider the following;
JM has already served GCS for 5 years; quite likely around half of his eventual career.
He now wants to exercise a right available to most others; namely, to work for another employer (club) within his chosen industry of expertise (AFL).
He’s seeking a long term deal that will effectively take him to the end of his AFL career.

With the above in mind, do you think it’d be considered reasonable for a club to utilise the AFL‘s framework to restrain one of its employees, from being able to work for another employer, for effectively the whole of that player’s AFL career? Furthermore do you reckon permitting that level of restraint would be in the legitimate interests of all stakeholders?

I don’t believe that GCS will redraft JM.

Article is behind a paywall but you get the drift. Tea leaves. GC are going to re-draft Martin put your house on it.

https://amp.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/afl/gold-coast-suns-considering-shock-bid-for-jack-martin-in-afl-preseason-draft/news-story/57f3c75ff5f2c71b8af3675e012cf4c0

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

Article is behind a paywall but you get the drift. Tea leaves. GC are going to re-draft Martin put your house on it.

https://amp.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/afl/gold-coast-suns-considering-shock-bid-for-jack-martin-in-afl-preseason-draft/news-story/57f3c75ff5f2c71b8af3675e012cf4c0

Not putting $5, let alone a house, on something I can't even read LOL.
Text or it didn't happen.

 

[THE_GUN]

That’s a fair point.

Tony Cochrane is like Kim Jong-un .... crazy unpredictable.

He very well may go that far just to prove his point.

Does that make SOS Donald trump

 

[Triniboy]

Don’t play dumb.
You must have your head in the sand if you haven’t read about his contract demands when he nominated for the PSD.

Big difference between fact and hearsay, doubt anyone here or in the media has sighted his contract.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

Does that make SOS Donald trump

Maybe Dodoro is Trump. Building a wall around his Daniher.

 

[THE_GUN]

Maybe Dodoro is Trump. Building a wall around his Daniher.

Cochrane v Silvagni

Doddo is just an onlooker

 

[GatesOfHell]

Fun, then the Crows will poach Luko at the end of next season with their ample war chest in their Salary Cap.

Suns need to cut their losses and move on, don't think if the Suns re-draft Martin it will deter us from trying to plunder your young talent, Matty Rowell is a mad Blues fan, two years time, cha-ching, the Blues and our Navy Blue War chest will come a knocking. (Luko is bit of a snowflake imo, not really interested tbh)

Things can only get worse for the Suns if they re-draft Martin, we all know you guys have to (rightfully) pay overs to re-sign Rankine and Ben King etc, put Martin on this price on your books for the next five years, and bang, there will even be better (and younger) talent to prise from the Suns
grasp.

But at least Tony Cochrane and The Suns would have made a 'stance', you will have always have that to fall on when you lose more top draft picks to other clubs.

You don’t get it. The Suns have been down the path of ‘cutting their losses’ when trading. It doesn’t work for them. That’s why they’ve changed policy and are going to make an example of Martin.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

Cochrane v Silvagni

Doddo is just an onlooker

Well it's probably Cochrane, then. Building a wall around his list and trying to get Carlton to pay for it .

 

[manang magoos]

You don’t get it. The Suns have been down the path of ‘cutting their losses’ when trading. It doesn’t work for them. That’s why they’ve changed policy and are going to make an example of Martin.

If they do this is going to court you can put your house on it

 

[GatesOfHell]

If they do this is going to court you can put your house on it

On what grounds? AFL rules regarding player movement and the draft nomination process are clear as day. By signing the AFL PSD application document Jack Martin agrees to those rules.

 

[Jimbojay]

You don’t get it. The Suns have been down the path of ‘cutting their losses’ when trading. It doesn’t work for them. That’s why they’ve changed policy and are going to make an example of Martin.

Making an example is not signing a player who doesn't want to be there to a $3 mil 5 year deal though. That's just laughable list management.

Honestly is quite humorous how much you are trying to stand up for the Suns here.

 

[GatesOfHell]

Making an example is not signing a player who doesn't want to be there to a $3 mil 5 year deal though. That's just laughable list management.

Honestly is quite humorous how much you are trying to stand up for the Suns here.

He’s a professional footballer. After a day or three of sulking he’ll come to the conclusion that he has no choice but to get on with the job. What’s the alternative? Sit out of footy and turn down the money in protest? Please.

 

[manang magoos]

He’s a professional footballer. After a day or three of sulking he’ll come to the conclusion that he has no choice but to get on with the job. What’s the alternative? Sit out of footy and turn down the money in protest? Please.

The alternative is he’s playing for Carlton if Gold Coast do happen to redraft him they are stupid and then how do they explain to the playing group they are paying someone a mill that doesn’t want to be there
I would think that they probably don’t want him there either

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Article is behind a paywall but you get the drift. Tea leaves. GC are going to re-draft Martin put your house on it.

https://amp.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/afl/gold-coast-suns-considering-shock-bid-for-jack-martin-in-afl-preseason-draft/news-story/57f3c75ff5f2c71b8af3675e012cf4c0

Do you actually know what Considering means ? Its sure as well a far thing from definite.

Cochrane is a big pompous loud mouth, but he isn't stupid enough to cripple his team's chances of re-signing Lukosius (amongst others) by snatching up Martin again in an act of vindictive childishness.


Martin will be a Blue, beats me why you are so wound up about it all, just because he blatantly flat out rejected joining Melbourne.

 

[jezzajay]

That may be the case but as it stands now the AFL is $100 million+ in the hole on GC Suns and have just ante’d up again to fully back them in one more time. That’s A LOT of money. Gillon and Co would be acutely aware of the corrosive effect on the Suns’ playing list of watching guys like Caddy, Prestia and especially Lynch win premiership medallions in Melbourne ... and will be encouraging Cochrane and Evans to do whatever it takes to ensure these pathways out of the club are made as difficult and stressful as possible. Re-drafting Martin totally makes sense from this perspective. Not only do they secure a talented half forward for the next five years, but the message sent through to their playing list and to rival clubs is unmistakable. “We will look after our players and treat them like kings if they stay loyal, however any scheming with managers and raiding interstate clubs will be met with roadblocks, refusals and counter-manoeuvres. You will be marched into drafts, re-drafted and potentially even forced to sit out of footy if there is even the slightest whiff we might come off second best in a trade. Don’t try us on.”

A hardline stance of this kind might put a few noses out of joint and cause some isolated heartburn initially, but from a long term business perspective it makes total sense. The simple fact of the matter is there will be no GC Suns football club if they allow players to walk out of the joint in the fashion Martin is trying to do here.

Carlton and it’s fans are misreading the tea leaves on this situation. It’ll be a big story sure but Cochrane, with the AFL’s backing, isn’t going to cop GC being made a mockery of anymore. They will be re-drafting Jack Martin with their first pick in the PSD. It’s actually quite obvious when you consider how they behaved a few weeks ago at trade week with the Blues. That was merely the warning shot over the bow.

Next comes the line in the sand.

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Funny thing is it’s too late...Suns are already being mocked. And it will take more than holding onto Martin to save face. Sure it could be seen as a piece of the puzzle to get back on track, but...
Why would they pay a player over 1 million a season that doesn’t want to be there? Bad business in anyone’s books.
I don’t think Martin set out to to walk away from the Suns like this, this is the Suns fault full stop.
Your post just does not add up with your reasoning. I think you need to sit back and re-think this.

 

[Jirik13]

The Age Niall updated on Martin's nominated contract

Jack Martin will be paid about $2 million over the first two years of his massively front-loaded five-year deal as a result of a deal struck between Martin and the exiting Gold Coast player's preferred destination club, Carlton.

Martin's terms – nominated in a bid to assure him of safe passage to Carlton in the pre-season draft – guarantee him more than a $1 million next year, and then close to that amount in year two of a five-year deal that pays him an aggregate of about $3.1 million, with incentives that could stretch that to about $3.5 million if he performs well.

means that Martin will be close to Carlton's highest paid player, potentially ahead of Patrick Cripps, in those two years, although he will average a more moderate guaranteed salary of about $625,000 per season over the entire length of the contract.

Martin had been paid about $600,000 this year by the Suns

"Certainly the list management group and the coaches will have a very serious look at it," Suns chairman Tony Cochrane said Monday.
Cochrane said the Suns had been serious in its threat to consider redrafting Martin after trade talks failed and said nothing in the nominated contract terms had changed that position.

 

[TheBlue]

If Cochrane and the Suns weren't being spoon-fed by the AFL atm then the prospect of the Suns taking Martin in the PSD would make likely a mouth-watering legal challenge to the AFL trade system. From a constitutional perspective (i.e. corporations powers and reasonable restraint of trade clauses - TPA) it would be so interesting to see a challenge to the AFL draft system take place (there hasn't been a challenge since introduction in 1986) and would give the HCA new ground to explore how restraint of trade clauses, when faced with this limited form of 'restricted' free-agency, can reasonably be restraining of a player's right to contract.

I also would not be surprised if Martin did bring that challenge if the Suns decided to force him to remain at the GC despite him being a RFA who has committed 7 years of service to the club and has seen out his contractual obligations. It's also really clear that the AFL is concerned about challenges to its player movement system (particularly as it pursues the holy grail of an equitable competition) and this is arguably why FA was introduced in the first place.

The only problem is that the Suns and Cochrane are so reliant on the AFL at present that Gil would immediately and easily intervene in any plans Cochrane might be hatching to pick Martin up in the PSD. If the situation involved Collingwood (instead of the Suns) and Eddie Mcguire (instead of Cochrane) then we could be looking at a real stand-off with the upshot being a potential legal challenge. IMO it won't happen and Cochrane's threat to pick Martin in the PSD is an empty one given the support they're currently relying upon from the AFL and Gil but it would be juicy.

 

[TheBlue]

The Age Niall updated on Martin's nominated contract

Interesting that it took a front-loading like that to ensure Melbourne couldn't afford him. They must have a decent amount of salary cap mobility if that is the case. Also really interesting that we'll be paying him around $360k for the final 3 years which will be below the competition average - would be a strange adjustment for Martin going from $1 million per year to $360k.

 

[GatesOfHell]

The alternative is he’s playing for Carlton if Gold Coast do happen to redraft him they are stupid and then how do they explain to the playing group they are paying someone a mill that doesn’t want to be there
I would think that they probably don’t want him there either

They will be paying him $3-3.5m over 5 years, as is stipulated in the terms Martin has requested. That’s around $650k a season.

And they don’t have to explain it to anyone.

 

[GatesOfHell]

Why would they pay a player over 1 million a season that doesn’t want to be there? Bad business in anyone’s books.

Get your numbers right. It’s $650k a year over the 5 years of the contract. Slightly overs but manageable when you account for inflationary pressures on AFL player wages over a half decade.

As a business decision it’s okay. It’s the ripple effect on the organisation and its standing among rival clubs which makes it a no-brainer.

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[NOBBYS]

For what its worth Jack Martin will not be at the Suns - no chance.
Personally for me he has been a huge disappointment, very few good games plenty of ordinary games.
Potential and talent take you so far ,but to succeed in the big time you need commitment and effort both on
and off the field.Two areas Jack has struggled to find.
A change of clubs may see him change his attitude .Only time will tell.
Jack did tell me a couple of years ago he would never move to Victoria because he hates the cold weather.
Guess he wont be looking forward to June July August.
A bit like some of the speck shares I buy could well be a boom or a bust.