jmac70
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Oppo Camp Jaidyn Stephenson (Traded to Nth Melb. 2020)
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JB1975
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The focus on that torp causes me some dismay. I enjoyed watching it at the game, enjoyed the look of disbelief on everyone's face that he'd unloaded such a monstrous and beautiful thing. It was exuberant, a pure sort of footy, an essence of the game being regimented away...but now?
We'll move on. These things hurt, but as Winnie Churchill said: when you're in hell, keep walking.
Yesterday I thought he was a bloody idiot who will cop a few weeks for being an idiot. As they started to read out what he had bet on during the press conference I just thought, he is a ****ing idiot who is very, very lucky to be a chance to play again this season
But "If's" are a gambler's tools of trade
jmac70
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True, but Stevo is not a gambler.
I can't see how or why people are saying it's too harsh. I thought 6 weeks for just betting on first goalscorer was fair. Everyone wanted to give him 6 weeks and nothing else for what he's done over 3 matches. What kind of message does that send to other players? This is the worst case we've seen in AFL, not sure what other Australian sports have had, but this has been the worst and he's walked away with ONLY 10 matches and a $20k fine which his player manager or the club will pay. He is very, very lucky.
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I'm pretty sure it is.
Spot-fixing refers to illegal activity in a sport in which a specific aspect of a game, unrelated to the final result but upon which a betting market exists, is fixed in an attempt to ensure a certain result in a proposition bet; examples include something as minor as timing a no ball or wide delivery in cricket, or timing the first throw-in or corner in association football.Spot-fixing - Wikipedia
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in sport, the dishonest activity of arranging a specific part of a game so that the result is what someone wants
(especially in cricket) the act of deciding in a way that is not honest what the result of a particular part of a game will be before it is played
the act of deliberately engineering an outcome within a sporting contest without attempting to alter the outcome of the contest itself
Spot fixing definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Spot fixing definition: the act of deliberately engineering an outcome within a sporting contest without... | Meaning, pronunciation, translations and exampleswww.collinsdictionary.com
Sorry I understand the confusion now.
Like I said to JMac and have tried to reiterate on numerous occasion in this thread, i'm not suggesting Jaidyn spot fixed deliberately. I am just saying that the bets he made are definitely bets that can be used to spot fix.
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Yep, I'm mystified that people think the punishment is harsh as well.
It's fair and just in my opinion considering the circumstances. The punishment could have been so much worse for him.
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That's exactly the point jmac.. It's strange you still don't get it. Only Stevo knew how much his bets affected his play, the fact the potential (If) was there for him to change how he plays to win a wager is completely unacceptable and why these things must be punished severely.
You don't know if Stevo is innocent of attempting to manipulate the game to win a bet just like we don't know if he is guilty of it. The fact he put himself in this situation where people can even question his integrity shows how much he ****ed up
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Spot on JB ...........that is what I am going to do now.......keep walking.
If I saw Stepho next week I would give him a hug........he has Pies Premiership player written all over him........I hope it is in 2019.
Good night peeps.
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That is what I had in mind especially since spot fixing is usually through illegal betting outlets.I'm pretty sure it is.
Spot-fixing refers to illegal activity in a sport in which a specific aspect of a game, unrelated to the final result but upon which a betting market exists, is fixed in an attempt to ensure a certain result in a proposition bet; examples include something as minor as timing a no ball or wide delivery in cricket, or timing the first throw-in or corner in association football.Spot-fixing - Wikipedia
in sport, the dishonest activity of arranging a specific part of a game so that the result is what someone wants
(especially in cricket) the act of deciding in a way that is not honest what the result of a particular part of a game will be before it is played
the act of deliberately engineering an outcome within a sporting contest without attempting to alter the outcome of the contest itselfSpot fixing definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Spot fixing definition: the act of deliberately engineering an outcome within a sporting contest without... | Meaning, pronunciation, translations and examples
Legal outlets are pretty quick to recognise unusual bets although his bets were really insignificant in terms of outlay and I presume odds. Not sure as I don't bet on football.
jmac70
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He bet on himself to play well. It shows a nativity and confidence in himself. There is no way it would have influenced his game.
They're smart. They don't put up with s**t like the way we do in this league. We use the whole 'he's a good bloke, he's young, he's not addicted, he didn't know it was bad until it was too late etc etc etc' then we start blaming betting agencies like they've just cropped up in the last 2 months for a bloke's decision to jeopardise his professional sporting career like he's the victim here.
This is the equivalent of people buying drugs from a drug dealer then blaming their drug dealer for being addicted to drugs, or blaming their mates for being addicted to drugs because they felt peer pressured. This is effectively the same thing. Stop finding excuses for your own actions and start taking control. Hopefully Stepho will be better for it, but it's a cruel lesson, but an outcome deserved for stupidity.
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Gee if this article is true, AFL were considering 2 years.
The AFL Commission pushed to hand Collingwood forward Jaidyn Stephenson a more serious penalty for his gambling breaches than the 10-week ban eventually applied in order to make a statement around players betting on games.
Collingwood were prepared to accept what they considered an appropriate penalty for the breach but they were willing to consider their legal options if the ban was unreasonable, particularly given the circumstances which brought it to the AFL’s attention.
The AFL took into account the potential for legal action being taken to contest the penalty but they were also keen to ensure the penalty was not so heavy that other players were discouraged from self-reporting breaches of the gambling policy in the future.
Stephenson’s breaches were considered blatant and serious however there was also the view of several parties involved in deliberations, that his offence was unlikely to have been detected if he had not told Magpies’ football manager Geoff Walsh he had organised for bets to be placed on three AFL matches he played in on his behalf.
Those who held that view thought self-reporting should therefore carry significant weight, with Magpies president Eddie McGuire joining the discussions late alongside Walsh and Magpies CEO Mark Anderson. The AFLPA and Stephenson’s management were also party to the discussions being run by AFL legal counsel Andrew Dillon.
At one point the prospect of a two-year ban was raised. Although parties to the negotiation considered that penalty was raised as a throwaway line, no one doubted the Commission at one stage was pushing for the ban to last into next year.
The AFL gave a broad outline of Stephenson’s bets when announcing the penalty, with the player backing himself to kick a goal and three goals as part of several multi-bets he laid over the three games. However it is unclear whether the torpedo punt goal Stephenson kicked in the dying minutes of the round nine match against St Kilda, which meant he kicked three goals for the match, was one of the multi-bet legs laid during that round. The AFL refused to confirm the games in which the bet types were laid.
The AFL Commission pushed to hand Collingwood forward Jaidyn Stephenson a more serious penalty for his gambling breaches than the 10-week ban eventually applied in order to make a statement around players betting on games.
Collingwood were prepared to accept what they considered an appropriate penalty for the breach but they were willing to consider their legal options if the ban was unreasonable, particularly given the circumstances which brought it to the AFL’s attention.
The AFL took into account the potential for legal action being taken to contest the penalty but they were also keen to ensure the penalty was not so heavy that other players were discouraged from self-reporting breaches of the gambling policy in the future.
Stephenson’s breaches were considered blatant and serious however there was also the view of several parties involved in deliberations, that his offence was unlikely to have been detected if he had not told Magpies’ football manager Geoff Walsh he had organised for bets to be placed on three AFL matches he played in on his behalf.
Those who held that view thought self-reporting should therefore carry significant weight, with Magpies president Eddie McGuire joining the discussions late alongside Walsh and Magpies CEO Mark Anderson. The AFLPA and Stephenson’s management were also party to the discussions being run by AFL legal counsel Andrew Dillon.
At one point the prospect of a two-year ban was raised. Although parties to the negotiation considered that penalty was raised as a throwaway line, no one doubted the Commission at one stage was pushing for the ban to last into next year.
The AFL gave a broad outline of Stephenson’s bets when announcing the penalty, with the player backing himself to kick a goal and three goals as part of several multi-bets he laid over the three games. However it is unclear whether the torpedo punt goal Stephenson kicked in the dying minutes of the round nine match against St Kilda, which meant he kicked three goals for the match, was one of the multi-bet legs laid during that round. The AFL refused to confirm the games in which the bet types were laid.
I would be staggered if the club paid the fine for him, given that he has let them down very badly. Why would they do that, and why would his manager fork out that kind of money for a player who has clearly done the wrong thing?!
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Let's all take 'integrity' lessons from the folks that dropped cigarette sponsorship for the gambling industry.
jmac70
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When it comes to the AFL, the word integrity does not spring to mind.
They could do it for sympathy. I know last year one of our lads who was AFL listed playing in the VFL went to tribunal for an infield incident, didn't get suspended but copped a fine. All he said was "thankfully I don't have to pay the fine and I get to play next week" obviously the fine had to be paid but another party would've paid it.
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What I don't understand. You, I , everyone on this forum and 90%(if not more) of the AFL fans know that players should not bet on AFL games,especially your own. So here is our young prodigee with his mates(!) having fun betting and somehow nobody in that collective has any reservations??? What world have they been living in. Stephenson is the one that get hit but those mates should really have a look at themselves and wonder if they are the type of friends he needs.
I suspect that would happen occasionally, but don't imagine it will happen in this case.
"However it is unclear whether the torpedo punt goal Stephenson kicked in the dying minutes of the round nine match against St Kilda, which meant he kicked three goals for the match, was one of the multi-bet legs laid during that round. The AFL refused to confirm the games in which the bet types were laid."
Spot fixing summed up, kicks that and the result is over 39+ as opposed to 39- that's match fixing and spot fixing right there. Outcome and direct match play. Don't tell me otherwise.
Spot fixing summed up, kicks that and the result is over 39+ as opposed to 39- that's match fixing and spot fixing right there. Outcome and direct match play. Don't tell me otherwise.
Absolutely and I agree with you. But at the end of the day he makes the call himself. He can simply walk away and say 'no' or he can do what he did and land him in the position he's in today using his own hands.
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