Recruiting James Hird Academy (Father/Son and Next Generation)

[eDPS]

Spoiler: JHA Boys

Spoiler: JHA Girls

 

[faible]

Melbourne were stuffed over Andrew. The year the rule comes in makes it arbitrary but still rough.
Apparently they had been working with him since he was 10 and they were a huge reason he developed as well as he did.

That is the sort of player a club should get access to, as opposed to the cherry picking of Ugle-Hagan, Thomas or Quaynor who were always going to make it.

Each club should have had a window to nominate a player to have access to IMO, rather than removing it and ending up with JUH at the Dogs @ 1 and then other clubs getting nothing.

 

[ant555]

Each club should have had a window to nominate a player to have access to IMO, rather than removing it and ending up with JUH at the Dogs @ 1 and then other clubs getting nothing.

The NGA was never set up as a mechanism for clubs to find top 40 players . It was supposed to be used to find players outside the system that may be falling through the cracks. Clubs being clubs where offered 1 meter and took 5. We can not complain. We got Eyre (39) and Brand who both may have gone earlier with more exposure. The AFL had to change what was going on. It had to start somewhere.
What they should do is now that everyone has a VFL / SANFL/WAFL side (aligned or stand alone) clubs should be allowed an automatic pick from their second tier side. The NGA should be eligible to play VFL.

 

[JDC!]

So as I said right now second round.

Yeah, maybe. Right now I believe he'd be taken inside of the top-20. I'm far from a draft guru with the inside scoop or anything, but this is coming directly from people 'in the know' (recruiters, player managers). It should be an interesting 2022 for him.

 

[ant555]

Yeah, maybe. Right now I believe he'd be taken inside of the top-20. I'm far from a draft guru with the inside scoop or anything, but this is coming directly from people 'in the know' (recruiters, player managers). It should be an interesting 2022 for him.

That may well be but I have a lot of contacts inside the system because I had a part time role in it for 15 years working for 3 different clubs. I am not saying 100% he would not go first round although I would say right now first round. His name has come up in discussions I have had. Most have said right now 20-50 but right now does not matter. Obviously it comes down to his next 10 months and how others go in that time. One comment that does come up a bit is he has to tidy up how often he kicks to poor options. He has great scope but right now he has to find the next level in a couple of areas. If he can do that then he may well be a mid first round prospect.
Personally I think he would only need a consistent season to be out of our reach at pick 40. He should get drafted all things going well enough.

 

[faible]

What they should do is now that everyone has a VFL / SANFL/WAFL side (aligned or stand alone) clubs should be allowed an automatic pick from their second tier side. The NGA should be eligible to play VFL.

I'm a big fan of this kind of idea, something to keep clubs invested in their second tier sides and gives them access to players (and a reason to keep them on the list for a couple of years if they need development).

 

[JDC!]

That may well be but I have a lot of contacts inside the system because I had a part time role in it for 15 years working for 3 different clubs. I am not saying 100% he would not go first round although I would say right now first round. His name has come up in discussions I have had. Most have said right now 20-50 but right now does not matter. Obviously it comes down to his next 10 months and how others go in that time. One comment that does come up a bit is he has to tidy up how often he kicks to poor options. He has great scope but right now he has to find the next level in a couple of areas. If he can do that then he may well be a mid first round prospect.
Personally I think he would only need a consistent season to be out of our reach at pick 40. He should get drafted all things going well enough.

Yeah.

Often there’s no ‘general consensus’ about a kid like Anthony, who most of these recruiters wouldn’t have seen play often.

Potential-wise, at the same age, I’d have him in front of Nakia Cockatoo (pick 10) and Daniel Rioli (pick 15), who both went inside the first round.

That’s not to say he doesn’t have deficiencies to work on or ‘questions’ that recruiters will want answered.

Watch this space, I suppose.

 

[BrunoV]

Melbourne were stuffed over Andrew. The year the rule comes in makes it arbitrary but still rough.
Apparently they had been working with him since he was 10 and they were a huge reason he developed as well as he did.

That is the sort of player a club should get access to, as opposed to the cherry picking of Ugle-Hagan, Thomas or Quaynor who were always going to make it.

Yep.

It's the very reason we have the NGAs.

 

[Zach Package]

I guess the alternative is it becomes a general academy system like the EPL and you only get access to them if you sign them before they turn 15 or something like that

 

[GUMBLETRON]

I guess the alternative is it becomes a general academy system like the EPL and you only get access to them if you sign them before they turn 15 or something like that

The alternative is the neutral U18 program that ran just fine for 20 years until Eddie's bleating triggered this farce.

 

[ant555]

I think the NGA situation will sort itself out. Now the clubs know they can not just cherry pick players who would have made it into the system anyway or start working with them when they are 12. It was never designed for that. It was designed for the rough diamonds that through various back grounds had missed being in the NAB system. It certainly was not designed for clubs to start working with young prospects at 12 or for clubs to scout kids who would have made NAB League. In many ways the NGA should be a VFL feeder as the players it is supposed to attract are the ones who have been behind in development but could have real potential.
The rookie list being the joke it is has not helped in this area either like it should.
NGA should be the combined effort of all clubs to develop the players that may otherwise have been over looked to get a look at an AFL system and not some sort of back door recruiting plan .

 

[Ants]

What they should do is now that everyone has a VFL / SANFL/WAFL side (aligned or stand alone) clubs should be allowed an automatic pick from their second tier side.

I think this is a terrible idea. Huge scope for rorting the system, and it’s hard to ignore that players would get to pick and choose clubs.

 

[faible]

I think this is a terrible idea. Huge scope for rorting the system, and it’s hard to ignore that players would get to pick and choose clubs.

There'd have to be caveats around it, but where players have previously been draft eligible I think it would be very doable.

The idea would be for a guy like Hind who'd spent a couple of seasons on our VFL list that went at Pick 54 (3rd round) to be the kind of player a club could / should have access to, where it gives incentive for a club to try to keep a player on their list for an extended period of time.

 

[Towno78]

I think this is a terrible idea. Huge scope for rorting the system, and it’s hard to ignore that players would get to pick and choose clubs.

Well yeh, sure, there is scope for rorting it. But we're talking about blokes who have gone undrafted and passed by every club on multiple occasions. They aren't top 10 draft picks.

 

[ant555]

Well yeh, sure, there is scope for rorting it. But we're talking about blokes who have gone undrafted and passed by every club on multiple occasions. They aren't top 10 draft picks.

Exactly. I know we ended up getting Walla anyway but my view is why should clubs not be able to have first access to a player like Walla who they spent two years honing the skills. I am not sure how it can be a rort. One bloke each year from the VFL side would hardly be a rort and as you said these are players who have missed out on the draft on one or more or even not been good enough to draft. My view is good luck if you find an undrafted diamond that you put 12 months into.

 

[Ants]

I don’t see why it’s necessary. Clubs already do it, and the big winners will be those with reputation and money to spend on recruitment, development and off-the-books jobs/incentives. It would be a completely unnecessary distortion to the draft.

Well yeh, sure, there is scope for rorting it. But we're talking about blokes who have gone undrafted and passed by every club on multiple occasions. They aren't top 10 draft picks.

You mean until a WA kid facing being drafted to Vic goes and plays in the Eagles WAFL team and gets selected…

Or we really rate Fejo, Tex and Martin,draft two, and the third mysteriously stays with a well paying job from an EFC coterie member…

Or the kid who changes state team during the year.

 

[Towno78]

You mean until a WA kid facing being drafted to Vic goes and plays in the Eagles WAFL team and gets selected…

Or we really rate Fejo, Tex and Martin,draft two, and the third mysteriously stays with a well paying job from an EFC coterie member…

Or the kid who changes state team during the year.

 

[faible]

I don’t see why it’s necessary. Clubs already do it, and the big winners will be those with reputation and money to spend on recruitment, development and off-the-books jobs/incentives. It would be a completely unnecessary distortion to the draft.

You mean until a WA kid facing being drafted to Vic goes and plays in the Eagles WAFL team and gets selected…

Or we really rate Fejo, Tex and Martin,draft two, and the third mysteriously stays with a well paying job from an EFC coterie member…

Or the kid who changes state team during the year.

So don’t allow it for players who’ve not been with the VFL / SANFL / WAFL side for at least a full season.

Also these would be players who’ve previously been draft eligible and overlooked. Fejo, Tex and Martin were all available to any club in the open draft and no one took them.

 

[ant555]

Talking about one player per year. Real big Rort available there

 

[Yoda_]

Talking about one player per year. Real big Rort available there

There would need to be a few parameters in place to ensure that the ensuring attempts of manipulation of this rule are in place.

(i) the player must have nominated for the previous years draft
(ii) the player must have played x amount of games for your lower level side enabling them to be eligible.
(iii) a bid can only be matched after the end of the second round (essentially, the best 'state league players / 19 year olds' would be selected anyways)

I like the direction this could go but the question marks that Ants have are very real and as a team who has exploited list rules (Ben McNeice), we should be well versed in how to try and get around them.

 

[TheGrizz]

There would need to be a few parameters in place to ensure that the ensuring attempts of manipulation of this rule are in place.

(i) the player must have nominated for the previous years draft
(ii) the player must have played x amount of games for your lower level side enabling them to be eligible.
(iii) a bid can only be matched after the end of the second round (essentially, the best 'state league players / 19 year olds' would be selected anyways)

I like the direction this could go but the question marks that Ants have are very real and as a team who has exploited list rules (Ben McNeice), we should be well versed in how to try and get around them.

The parameters don't need to be that complicated

They have to
1. Have been
A) in your NGA prior to their 18yo draft year; or
B) eligible to have been in your NGA (and wasnt) and joined your VFL team before the age of 21 (this encaptures guys like Walla)

2. Play 2+ years for you aligned VFL team

Then they have to nominate for the draft and if they go undrafted you can prelist them as a rookie before the rookie draft.

Stops clubs from enticing players to switch and play for their VFL/WAFL as they wouldnt be eligible.

 

[faible]

The parameters don't need to be that complicated

Calls parameters complicated.

Names more complicated parameters.

 

[boncer34]

Calls parameters complicated.

Names more complicated parameters.

Every club can list a player from their reserves provided the player has nominated for the draft before or is over 21.

How'd I go?

 

[faible]

Every club can list a player from their reserves provided the player has nominated for the draft before or is over 21.

How'd I go?

Better.

I'd say there'd be a minimum games played / time on a reserves list to qualify to prevent mid-season meddling, but the above is pretty much what I'd have said is the kind of thing you'd want.

 

[Lore]

How would you go getting Tim Kelly

11

Tim Kelly

Age

30

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

in the mid-season draft

 

[boncer34]

Better.

I'd say there'd be a minimum games played / time on a reserves list to qualify to prevent mid-season meddling, but the above is pretty much what I'd have said is the kind of thing you'd want.

What do you mean?