Jono Brown - his 'leadership'

[Tulip]

So your saying a Captain should convince these kids to stay away from their families and oldest friends theyve made on this planet...And he hasnt done this...Nor could he keep the train wreck of Fevola on the straight and narrow tracks...

Well then, shall we trade you for Maxwell? Sure he, as one of the, if not THE best captain of the league, can help convince kids from 3000kms away to stay away from their homes.

OP, you are a silly.

Think about being at school camp in Primary School.

When you were doing the fun things, like the disco, you were loving the trip.

When the boring crap started, or a teacher shouted at you, you began to really miss home.

These kids all dream of playing footy, just to be drafted is a dream. To have so many want to go home is definitely indicative of the culture being wrong.

Whether it's the obvious stuff like Angus Johnson being a **** or the sacking of Voss, or it's because Brown isn't doing his job, I have no idea.

 

[Chopperdave]

So you agree it's a shit thread then. Cool.

No I think there is some merit in possibly questioning his role in the whole Brisbane saga of the last 5 or so years. The thread itself probably isn't the best way of doing it but Brisbane fans getting all pissy at anyone who dares question the legend of J-Brown doesn't help the situation either.

 

[Happy_Neale]

No I think there is some merit in possibly questioning his role in the whole Brisbane saga of the last 5 or so years. The thread itself probably isn't the best way of doing it but Brisbane fans getting all pissy at anyone who dares question the legend of J-Brown doesn't help the situation either.

This isn't 'questioning his role' like you said. The OP is essentially saying Brown is a poor captain because players want to leave, amongst a couple of other things. It's a ridiculously bad premise on which to base a thread.

Seriously, I say it again, JB lives and breathes for the club. If anyone is NOT to blame here, it is him. It's actually pretty difficult to pick one of the few who are doing right by the club right now and start threads on him but the OP's pulled it off.

 

[master bate]

The media and average fan love a big courageous country bloke who's down to earth.

Brown is over-rated, in many respects.

Replace big with left footed and you get the reason pretty much everyone (especially the AFL tribunal) are in love with Luke Hodge

 

[s364376]

Funnily enough I had considered starting a similar thread as I tend to agree.

Is often pointed to as a great captain, but exposed evidence would say that he really hasn't been a great leader - I might actually go as far as to say he's a relatively poor leader.

so going by your logic, Jobe Watson should be banned because as being the captain/leader he shouldn't have allowed the injections to happen?

 

[Crawb]

Think about being at school camp in Primary School.

When you were doing the fun things, like the disco, you were loving the trip.

When the boring crap started, or a teacher shouted at you, you began to really miss home.

These kids all dream of playing footy, just to be drafted is a dream. To have so many want to go home is definitely indicative of the culture being wrong.

Whether it's the obvious stuff like Angus Johnson being a **** or the sacking of Voss, or it's because Brown isn't doing his job, I have no idea.

The culture is wrong, says the Melbourne fan.
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But at least you got the Angus Johnson bit right, so I'd say it's a 1-1 all draw.

 

[Chopperdave]

This isn't 'questioning his role' like you said. The OP is essentially saying Brown is a poor captain because players want to leave, amongst a couple of other things. It's a ridiculously bad premise on which to base a thread.

Seriously, I say it again, JB lives and breathes for the club. If anyone is NOT to blame here, it is him. It's actually pretty difficult to pick one of the few who are doing right by the club right now and start threads on him but the OP's pulled it off.

Attitude reflects leadership. At some point given Brisbanes past 4/5 years off field you have to wonder what Browns influence off field has been? Just because you bleed on field for a club sometimes doesn't mean that what you are doing off field might be best for the club.

 

[Tulip]

The culture is wrong, says the Melbourne fan.
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But at least you got the Angus Johnson bit right, so I'd say it's a 1-1 all draw.

You know why this post is shit?

Because you think my standing as a Melbourne supporter has anything to do with my views on Brisbane.

Pull your head in please.

 

[master bate]

WTF does it matter? Those sooky la-la kids were already gone. No-one amount of a "talking to" was ever go to change their minds.

Because Brown is the link to winning flags at Brisbane. He had to sell them that vision as soon as they got their and keep selling it. It wouldn't matter if those kids were all late draft picks and spuds who you wouldn't miss (and I realise some of them you wont) but Longer came in at pick 10 and might go out for pick 19. I doubt you'll get return on investment for Yeo. Docherty looked ok but now I'm not sure Carlton will give you much, certainly not the pick 12 you used.

Jobe Watson is such a good leader he even took time to talk to Jack Watts about struggling with expectation. I get Brown is old school and it's an approach that probably works wonders with the likes of Tom Rockliff, but it might not be leadership for everyone.

 

[mpal6]

For years the AFL media contingent has told us what a great leader Jonathon Brown is.

Do they ever look at actual events v myths? When Fev went to Brisbane the media assured us that Jono would control him. End result, loss of players/picks, huge financial cost and severe loss of fae for new coach Michael Voss.

Fast forward and we are now watching a huge exodus of young talent try and leave. If they all go it will wipe out their top picks from two recent drafts.

All under his watch, yet the media continues to laud him as a great skipper when the evidence would suggest he is a great player but little one of the worst captains in the AFL.

Next - you won't be able to poo tomorrow morning and will blame JB for that.

Dude, seriously.

 

[CrashnBash]

Morgoth your a twat,

Could Maxwell control Shaw??
stop daisy leaving???
stop Buckley being predictable???

Put a poll thread to the colliwobbles to who would they rather bust through the banner at the start of the game...
Brown or Maxwell????

Still cut you could tame him years ago?

Brown's worth the price of admission.

 

[Jade]

so going by your logic, Jobe Watson should be banned because as being the captain/leader he shouldn't have allowed the injections to happen?

I would dare say the fact the laughably over stated exodus never occurred is testament to how good a leader Jobe is.

And who said anything about banned? You are just crying because a disturbingly large amount of people tend to agree with the OP - Brown has not been a good leader.

 

[iBeng]

This just in,

Hodge is a shit captain, his leadership couldnt keep the likes of Buddy Franklin leaving.

 

[Demonheart]

In typical BF fashion the replies have been attacking the author and the team he follows instead of responding to the topic, one Brisbane fan even somehow managed to tie the MFC into it. That's impressive even by their standards.

Saying something negative about Brown is like shooting bambi around here, even though it's been mentioned by the media that the problems at Brisbane at that their younger players aren't impressed with the culture of the older players.

Something is terribly wrong at Brisbane

 

[youtwo]

Something is terribly wrong at Brisbane

Should shut up shop now.

 

[Chopperdave]

Should shut up shop now.

Or rather than answering like a 12 year old you could admit that Brisbane probably need a clean out of the management, a new coach and probably a new captain/leadership group...

One out of three so far.

 

[pazza]

Or rather than answering like a 12 year old you could admit that Brisbane probably need a clean out of the management, a new coach and probably a new captain/leadership group...

One out of three so far.

The captain/leadership group aren't the problem at Brisbane. Never have been.

 

[Hodgepodge]

By the end of his career, assuming a 30 goal season in 2014, he'll be in the top 30 for goals kicked and top 250 for disposals made. Doesn't sound overrated at all.

 

[Demonheart]

Should shut up shop now.

Ok, sounds good, we'll take Rockliff

 

[Happy_Neale]

Attitude reflects leadership. At some point given Brisbanes past 4/5 years off field you have to wonder what Browns influence off field has been? Just because you bleed on field for a club sometimes doesn't mean that what you are doing off field might be best for the club.

Philosophical rubbish. Hawthorn just had the best player in the league walk out on them after winning a flag. We had Headland walk out after a flag with Voss as captain. He's also volunteered to give up the captaincy (which was decided against by the coaching staff), taken a pay cut and represented our club in a pretty trying time for us.

I'll say it one more time - nobody does more for the club than Brown. This is on AND off field in case I wasn't clear about that. Not sure why you can't grasp this concept but I'll stop repeating myself now. If you've got more than 'it could be his fault but I don't know and neither do you' to add, maybe with a source or reasoning to strengthen your argument then hit me up.

 

[Some Idiot]

By the end of his career, assuming a 30 goal season in 2014, he'll be in the top 30 for goals kicked and top 250 for disposals made. Doesn't sound overrated at all.

That has literally nothing to do with his leadership ability.

 

[Hodgepodge]

That has literally nothing to do with his leadership ability.

Yeah I was responding to some of the overrated claims in the thread.

 

[Crawb]

You know why this post is shit?

Because you think my standing as a Melbourne supporter has anything to do with my views on Brisbane.

Pull your head in please.

No I simply think it's ironic that a Melbourne fan is saying another club has a culture problem. Glass houses, stones. Do I need to say more? The culture of your club is literally threatening it's existence...but anyway.

Ok, sounds good, we'll take Rockliff

You can have him, if you knock him out, tie him up, gag him and throw him the boot. Because that's the only way you'll get him to leave the Lions, let alone go to MFC. You won't get rid of Pick #2 because no elite player is that stupid.

 

[youtwo]

Or rather than answering like a 12 year old you could admit that Brisbane probably need a clean out of the management, a new coach and probably a new captain/leadership group...

One out of three so far.

The point being that most of the rubbish posted here is from ill-informed and irrational supporters of other clubs who rarely watch Brisbane games or follow the game up north and base their opinions on sensationalist media reports.

The instability of the Board doesn't help but will be sorted out in December when the supporters will vote in Leigh Matthews as part of the Power/Williams ticket. The coach and new coaching director have been appointed. The leadership group was revamped at the start of this year.

Which leads us to the player exodus. The issues facing the Lions now are the same that have been in place since the Bears were established in 1987. Queensland is a non-football state and therefore the majority of players will always come from other states leading to a greater risk if homesickness and returning home. To link the exodus to the current leadership group is tenuous.

It should be remembered that of the five players leaving, only one of them was a senior regular in 2013 (Yeo) while Docherty played just over half the games and showed improvement. Provided reasonable trades can be achieved for these players I don't buy the fact that this is going to set the club back far at all.

 

[Tulip]

No I simply think it's ironic that a Melbourne fan is saying another club has a culture problem. Glass houses, stones. Do I need to say more? The culture of your club is literally threatening it's existence...but anyway.

Why does that matter though?