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What if Cerra turns into a bust?Will either turn out to be better than Cerra or a total bust.
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What if Cerra turns into a bust?Will either turn out to be better than Cerra or a total bust.
why would a player we think has significant talent and potential all of a sudden be worth less 12 months later at the age of 22 because he has fullfilled that potential and had a breakout season?? just think about that for a moment.
we are asking for pick 19 because he is rated highly as a young player and we think his going to be a very good player, that won't all of a sudden change because he is playing great footy a year later lol. It will just go up if anything, but on the flip side if he stagnates... you can have him for alot less.
my feeling is freo would be sweating on this idea hence why they have offered pick 22 already
I liked a suggestion made on the Fremantle board, we just go all in on Monday morning with Geelong.
"Alright we're determined to get this done today, pick 22 is our final offer, no other offer will be made afterwards and we'll intend to take it to the draft. If you're serious about doing this trade then you'll prove it and have the next hour to get it done otherwise we walk away, simple as that. We'l meet again next year."
How much would Cerra have been worth last year? More or less than what he got offered this year?
How much would you have to pay for King this year? How much would you have to pay next year?
Geelong the new Essendon. Want the world for players who aren't even best 22. Treat the guy right and let him go for an average pick
This has made my day. Just Beautiful. absolutely rent free in your head for years. Let it go. Stop looking for excuses. Kelly is out of shape and content now. Like the majority of the 800k plus players at the Weagles.
Down to splitting hairs for Clark but if Wells says no to your offer of #24/25 then you can guarantee it won’t happen. Take it to the bank. He hasn’t said that yet so let’s just wait and see. Unlike most of the usual clubs that absolutely get firm trying to win trade week and get a head on a stick for their deprived fan base, Geelong just get things done.
I would prefer not toGeelong the new Essendon. Want the world for players who aren't even best 22. Treat the guy right and let him go for an average pick
Because all clubs (outside Geelong it seems) let non best 22 players go for cheap for opportunity, because it's the humane thing to doWhy isn’t it on Freo treat the guy right and give up a good pick to get him?
Why isn’t it on Freo treat the guy right and give up a good pick to get him?
Almost all Cats supporters seem like they would be happy with pick 19. We are offering a pick 3 (I repeat 3) spots later.
If 19 is a good pick then surely 22 isn't insulting? I'd suggest we are upholding our end of the bargain. The Cats don't have to trade Clark but I feel we've done our bit.
Richmond just got a high second rounder for CCJ (uncontracted, played far fewer games than Clark)Because all clubs (outside Geelong it seems) let non best 22 players go for cheap for opportunity, because it's the humane thing to do
I completely understand what you are saying ultimately though you lose a lot of leverage (just like we did with Cerra). Another example, If Lachie Neale was out of contract right now he'd be heading home back to the dockers for a reasonable amount, but because he is contracted Brisbane has been able to request far more than what he is worth. Hence, why he is staying at the lions.from memory WCE actually ended up paying more for TK the following year than what we asked for the previous year as his value increased again, JC sure as hell was not going to magically be worth more than 3 first rounders a year prior..
As I said before which you are ignoring or it’s going over your head, I said if he has a breakout season and becomes a top player, he is going to be worth a lot more than he currently is as an in and out kid who is rated on potential and upside. If he continues to stagnate then he will be worth less.
I will re word your above, if Ben king comes out next season and kicks 70 goals and wins the Coleman medal, AA and best key forward in the comp, which is not an unreasonable thing to call a breakout jump for him given how many goals he kicked. Would he be worth more or less in a trade??
One player is a KPF, the other is a Half Back Flank/Winger.Richmond just got a high second rounder for CCJ (uncontracted, played far fewer games than Clark)
West Coast took Brander off the table in the Kelly trade
etc etc
If a team only has 22 players on their list they value they're not going to win very many games.
So you're telling me you can value a young player on potential and not solely on whether they've been best 22 for a top four team in the past 12-24 months?One player is a KPF, the other is a Half Back Flank/Winger.
KPF's always take longer to develop.
Hence the valuation for CCJ.
I completely understand what you are saying ultimately though you lose a lot of leverage (just like we did with Cerra). Another example, If Lachie Neale was out of contract right now he'd be heading home back to the dockers for a reasonable amount, but because he is contracted Brisbane has been able to request far more than what he is worth. Hence, why he is staying at the lions.
What is a breakout season for Clark? he isn't all of a sudden going to go from not getting a game to being in the AA side, this would be about the only thing that would demand our first rounder (and a low one at that as we aren't finishing in the 8.)
Again, i get what you're saying with regards to Ben King... his value goes up because he has played a coleman season coupled with multiple fantastic seasons and proved that he is the gun that he was already showing he could be. However, he is also now out of contract so Gold Coast would lose a lot of leverage. If St Kilda (using them as thats where he probably ends up) was the bottom finishing Victorian club there is always a threat that the PSD can happen, thus the value gets diluted further. Tim Kelly would not have been traded for nearly as much had the Eagles finished lower than the dockers.
Again, the PSD threat rarely happens, though we have seen Martin and Hately as recent examples.
Almost all Cats supporters seem like they would be happy with pick 19. We are offering a pick 3 (I repeat 3) spots later.
If 19 is a good pick then surely 22 isn't insulting? I'd suggest we are upholding our end of the bargain. The Cats don't have to trade Clark but I feel we've done our bit.
Richmond just got a high second rounder for CCJ (uncontracted, played far fewer games than Clark)
West Coast took Brander off the table in the Kelly trade
etc etc
If a team only has 22 players on their list they value they're not going to win very many games.
i think its more the fact you have both available and we just simply want the best value for a player we don't want to part ways with. If your happy to give up 22 surely 19 isnt a big deal either and keep 22? you do have to flip the narrative if your applying it to us also to freo
ok so your saying it is a big deal?? why did you then say a pick 3 difference is not a big deal then? your contradicting yourselfNo because of the AFL draft day circus 19 is worth significantly more and you know it.
ok so your saying it is a big deal?? why did you then say a pick 3 difference is not a big deal then? your contradicting yourself
Because all clubs (outside Geelong it seems) let non best 22 players go for cheap for opportunity, because it's the humane thing to do
Death, Taxes and Scotland popping up on a trade thread involving Geelong grinding his little axeWow that's a serious melt for no apparent reason. Your own fans have said multiple times when your club doesn't want to lose a player they dig their heels in. Hence Clark cannot possibly be compared to Constable or Fogarty. But that's your fans, not your club.
If Geelong 'got things done' Clark would have been traded by now. I don't really care if you trade him or not. Up to Freo how much they want to indulge Geelong's desire for better than pick 22, which itself is more than I would pay if I got to play list manager.
Deflect and talk about Kelly if you like, but I was one of the few that said all along he was overrated at Geelong and would be behind Yeo and Shuey in our midifeld. Which he is. Our fat and happy players have no bearing on this trade.
Death, Taxes and Scotland popping up on a trade thread involving Geelong grinding his little axe
ps You’re using the term melt all wrong but don’t stop bc as I said it gives us great joy having you back each year.
Brander does not fit your clubs age profile, needs to be 3 years older at least.Wait till we get Brander as a DFA. Guy will really lose his sh*t.
Then keep it as you’ve been given an alternative. You can guarantee GC and GWS won’t be paying overs for it this year. The pick has taken on mythological qualities on BigFooty.It's a unique situation. I'd suggest the pick 19 is more valuable than pick 18 and history has demonstrated this.