List Mgmt. Josh Kelly to North II - It's Over

[The Dingrel]

I'm guessing he hoped we were better placed for a flag tilt by now too.

funnily enough, results dont show it yet, but we probably are!

 

[tiltraise]

We can't lose Kelly we don't have him.

I was replying to Lomas who was the one who claimed we had Kelly as below.

And we already have Kelly.

 

[Lomas]

I was replying to Lomas who was the one who claimed we had Kelly as below.

To be fair, I was responding to your scenario.

 

[R00StaR]

Heres the trade from a GWS point of view.

They agreed to the Kelly extension option before Covid and the cap reduction. This puts pressure on their TPP so while they would prefer to keep him losing him would give them much more cap space over the next 8 years.

They currently hold picks 4,10 + 47.

If they let Kelly go as a FA they will get #11 in compo.

Picks 10 + 11 are potentially dangerous holdings for GWS in that their academy gun Fahey is likely to get bid on around that part of the draft and if a bid came before 10 they would lose at least one of those anyway should they match. Ideally they would look to upgrade/downgrade 10 + 11.

Horne is potentially a generational talent and strikes me as the ultra professional type who may be happy to play in Sydney long term.

They also need some points this year to match a bid on Fahey.

So the potential deal is as follows

Let Kelly go as a FA and get #11.

Then

In: 1 + 38

Out: 10. 11 + future 1st

They end up with Horne, #4 and 38 +47 to use for points on Fahey.

Better still, they can keep him and get squeezed to death by paying 8m over 8years.

We'll just keep Horne thx and of course any comp 'if' Dumont leaves. Which we dont get if we get JK. So from our pov the deal sucks, no trading pick 1

 

[Horace]

Heres the trade from a GWS point of view.

They agreed to the Kelly extension option before Covid and the cap reduction. This puts pressure on their TPP so while they would prefer to keep him losing him would give them much more cap space over the next 8 years.

They currently hold picks 4,10 + 47.

If they let Kelly go as a FA they will get #11 in compo.

Picks 10 + 11 are potentially dangerous holdings for GWS in that their academy gun Fahey is likely to get bid on around that part of the draft and if a bid came before 10 they would lose at least one of those anyway should they match. Ideally they would look to upgrade/downgrade 10 + 11.

Horne is potentially a generational talent and strikes me as the ultra professional type who may be happy to play in Sydney long term.

They also need some points this year to match a bid on Fahey.

So the potential deal is as follows

Let Kelly go as a FA and get #11.

Then

In: 1 + 38

Out: 10. 11 + future 1st

They end up with Horne, #4 and 38 +47 to use for points on Fahey.

Tell 'em they're dreaming mate.

 

[Horace]

How much better is Horne than the players likely to fill the next 4 spots in this year's draft?

 

[hilly]

How much better is Horne than the players likely to fill the next 4 spots in this year's draft?

A fair bit apparently H.

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[The Anvil]

They can keep him, we won't be trading pick one out. Clayton pretty much said so in his interview with Cal Twomey.

I believe he also said we'd draft two talls in the MSD. Still, no way we'd give up Horne if we end up finishing last (which isn't set in stone as yet).

 

[hilly]

I believe he also said we'd draft two talls in the MSD. Still, no way we'd give up Horne if we end up finishing last (which isn't set in stone as yet).

He didn't quite say that [emoji846]

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[King Corey]

He didn't quite say that [emoji846]

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There must've been a 2nd Scott Clayton draft video floating around because people have read a lot of tea leaves in the first one that didn't exist.

 

[The Dingrel]

How much better is Horne than the players likely to fill the next 4 spots in this year's draft?

not that I know much, but from what i can tell, Horne and Daicos are the clear top 2. Doesn't seem any speculation whatsoever about any other players who could challenge.

 

[remfan101]

not that I know much, but from what i can tell, Horne and Daicos are the clear top 2. Doesn't seem any speculation whatsoever about any other players who could challenge.

Finn Callaghan might. Sounds like the complete player from what I’ve read and he’s tearing it up at the moment.

 

[R00StaR]

funnily enough, results dont show it yet, but we probably are!

We definitely are, Our midfield without Kelly is developing into a powerhouse. As per the future midfield thread, plus potentially Horne, plus Cunners, Jed, Polec for a few years yet while they all develop more.

As i see it Goldie, Taz, Cunners, JZ last a couple more. With that mid field we're free to trade picks after this year for key forward, key defender (maybe draft, they can come on quicker), a small forward. Thats it really, we're ready to go after this year. Probably bottom 6 to mid table next year then launch!!

Who knows maybe next year is even better, add in Kelly, Taz, McDonald, Bonar, Polec, Jed, Horne all fit and ready to go with a vastly improved fitness base over all. The Xman and/or Comben may surprise too.

 

[The Dingrel]

There is the another hurdle - his girlfriend is a Sydney sider!


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Not an issue. In general Sydney women love melbourne, much more sophisticated. I don't mean that in any condescending way as ive lived in both, I love both cities. But I know a lot more people who move out of sydney to Melbourne (and Brisbane) and never go back, rather than going the other way. My missus followed me out of Melbourne for my work before we were married and I daresay the vast majority would rate JK a better catch than me......(but there are some weirdos out there!).

 

[The Y Factor]

It's a little bit easier when your mates all buggered off 5 minutes after you re-signed last time around.

this is a great point snd another reason that this is very very different to 2 years ago.

 

[Thndr]

No posts since yesterday, this must mean something ................

 

[giantroo]

 

[Kanga Glory]

That’s music to my eyes . Select North Melbourne.

 

[Devington]

So there are active conversations going on at GWS then, for some reason I thought he had put off talks for now.

 

[justroyal]

What the ****.
The media have said quietly confident on two different sides now. First it was us now it is GWS?

 

[The Y Factor]

What the fu**.
The media have said quietly confident on two different sides now. First it was us now it is GWS?

I'm sure both are - but its all a media game to get through it, what else can they say.

 

[Tas]

I hope he re-signs with GWS so we can get this thread to 1000 posts.

 

[The Y Factor]

I hope he re-signs with GWS so we can get this thread to 1000 posts.

I love it. And...

I've come around to thinking I'd like him to nominate North. I'll be fine if he doesnt but very happy if he does.

Kelly and Archer this year, Harvey next - I'm in.

 

[Lomas]

I hope he re-signs with GWS so we can get this thread to 1000 posts.

Meh, it will get there anyway.

 

[ferball]

Meh, it will get there anyway.

If he signs with us then 300 of the next 500 posts will be comparing him unfavourably with Atley.