Coach Justin Longmuir Pt 2

[Belnakor]

I like Peter Bell but if JLo departs at seasons end it's probably time for Belly to go to.

He’s already been moved sideways into some bullshit role away from the actual football so that’s a start.

 

[pK75]

Maybe, feels like they just wanted to be dicks though. Might be tinted with purple glasses here but feels like

• We discussed in good faith through the period, GC wouldnt move on the future 2nd
• We said there is no way we are doing that and said we'll revisit it later after our other trades
• GC refused to budge and decided to wait for us to come to them (which we didnt have time for).

Always felt like they saw a chance with Acres leaving to get one back on us after the Brayshaw thing and it bit them in the arse because we werent stupid enough to cave. He was contracted so being petty was their prerogative.

Given they banished him, delisted him and he still signed with us (no grudge held with us on his end), I'm gonna blame this one on them

Oh, absolutely it’s on them, the fact they were soo angry at the end of the trade period having heated discussions in the hallway in front of all the other clubs and some journalists indicates they would have folded and made the trade for F3, they were trying to bank points and being campaigners about it, but would have done the deal.

 

[WilloTree]

I Logue in the squad for cover. Not too fussed though. Acres was criminal.

I agree that the 2025 target shouldn't be laid at JL's feet. It is a club leadership issue, which he is a part of so should have some accountability. A larger portion should be with Garlick, previously Bell and the board.

Do you think it would have been wise to match the 500K and keep Logue as 'cover'?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Do you think it would have been wise to match the 500K and keep Logue as 'cover'?

I think we offered 500k, at least that was the chat at the time. North offered north of 700k (I was told 800k but happy to take some off the top for added sauce), it was definitely suicide to offer that much and was never happening

 

[WilloTree]

I'm disappointed we lost Acres and Schultz as they would both be quite important now (Logue as back up for injured Chapman but that's not realistic). That is all.

Meanwhile we traded in the unicorn, Clark, Aish, Sharp, JOM, Brodie, who are, or have been, or will be integral in our 22 and currently on our list.

Must be February when the sky falls in cause not sure what the issue is. Every team loses players. The AFL actively encourages it.

Just because the West likes to pump it up, not sure we need to get sucked in and think heads should roll.

Agree with all of this.

Player movement in the norm.

I do think though that it sometimes matters why the players are leaving.

It's well known why Bradley Hill and Ed Langdon left. I'll leave it at that.

 

[WilloTree]

I think we offered 500k, at least that was the chat at the time. North offered north of 700k (I was told 800k but happy to take some off the top for added sauce), it was definitely suicide to offer that much and was never happening

Really?? Holy shit.

The West gets another one wrong. They reported 500k

 

[DragoDelph]

Really?? Holy s**t.

The West gets another one wrong. They reported 500k

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Colon would have told them $500k.

There were other reports around (pretty sure) of higher figures, then this comes out at a lower value.

Makes Freo look unreasonable and Griff as hard done by. As opposed to just being a mercenary.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Really?? Holy s**t.

The West gets another one wrong. They reported 500k

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I'm sure it was said elsewhere we offered 500k in the end and with the cap space North have I struggle to believe they "only" offered 500k. If it was any other paper I'd concede my number was completely wrong tbh but given it's the West, who knows

 

[poshman]

Do you think it would have been wise to match the 500K and keep Logue as 'cover'?

I thought the full story was we went in low early in the year. He then started to look around and was offered ridiculous money.

If that version is true we could have got him lower. It seems to have been the same story with acres.

$500k would have been overs but ok given the cap will increase. What North are reportedly paying is ridiculous, and good on him for getting it.

 

[WilloTree]

I thought the full story was we went in low early in the year. He then started to look around and was offered ridiculous money.

If that version is true we could have got him lower. It seems to have been the same story with acres.

$500k would have been overs but ok given the cap will increase. What North are reportedly paying is ridiculous, and good on him for getting it.

Good call. Yeah. No way we were keeping him for what North offered.

It's contracts like that that make you salary dump players down the track. These days you send picks out as well as the player.

I'll put my hand up and say I've been firmly in the 'we should have kept Logue' camp.

Didn't realise it was that much I admit. Absolutely the right move letting him go.

 

[Mogumber]

Longmuir needs the team to do well in the first 6 rounds, otherwise he is Toast

 

[Docker82]

Longmuir needs the team to do well in the first 6 rounds, otherwise he is Toast

Whilst this will most likely end up being right, I cannot see him being sacked before 2/3 of the way through the season.

Without looking how possible this is (i.e. fixtures), in the scenario he starts 1-5 or 2-4 he could still win the majority of the next ten or so games.

In 2006 there was talk of Chris Connolly being sacked but we then won 10 in a row or something like that and made top four. It was a false dawn in a way but there was no way he was getting sacked after that initially.

 

[Joao]

Whilst this will most likely end up being right, I cannot see him being sacked before 2/3 of the way through the season.

Without looking how possible this is (i.e. fixtures), in the scenario he starts 1-5 or 2-4 he could still win the majority of the next ten or so games.

In 2006 there was talk of Chris Connolly being sacked but we then won 10 in a row or something like that and made top four. It was a false dawn in a way but there was no way he was getting sacked after that initially.

There's not a great deal of incentive to move a coach earlier unless either he's toxic and/or the replacement is available straight away with little to no process.

I can't see that being the case so I agree he'll get at least 14 games unless we're 0-10 or something stupid like that.

 

[poshman]

0-10 shudder.

No way we lose to the scum so we will be at worst 1-9.

The first 6 aren't a walk in the park, If we win at least two of those we are ok. Split them and we are in a great position.

 

[Joao]

0-10 shudder.

No way we lose to the scum so we will be at worst 1-9.

The first 6 aren't a walk in the park, If we win at least two of those we are ok. Split them and we are in a great position.

You wouldn't think so but we've been there before!

I think evens is a good first half of the year.

 

[Docker82]

0-10 shudder.

No way we lose to the scum so we will be at worst 1-9.

The first 6 aren't a walk in the park, If we win at least two of those we are ok. Split them and we are in a great position.

We have both West Coast and North Melbourne in the first six rounds. If we’re not 2-4 based off those games alone JL would probably be about $1.05 to get sacked.

I think there’s one or two other winnable games in between that so hopefully it’s 3-3 or even 4-2 tbh.

 

[Boppo]

I Logue in the squad for cover. Not too fussed though. Acres was criminal.

I agree that the 2025 target shouldn't be laid at JL's feet. It is a club leadership issue, which he is a part of so should have some accountability. A larger portion should be with Garlick, previously Bell and the board.

Acres wasn't criminal. He's had 2 good years running up and down the wing of a very good football team. Up to that point the top 20 draft pick had been a very ordinary player for 7 or 8 years.

 

[The Feeder Club]

We have both West Coast and North Melbourne in the first six rounds. If we’re not 2-4 based off those games alone JL would probably be about $1.05 to get sacked.

I think there’s one or two other winnable games in between that so hopefully it’s 3-3 or even 4-2 tbh.

Agreed. If we're serious about getting something from the year it has to be 3-3 as the low water mark. Beat the two cellar dwellers and pinch one of the other four games against good teams. Since two of those four are at Optus and one is on neutral (gather round) territory, 3-3 is a fair expectation

 

[poshman]

Acres wasn't criminal. He's had 2 good years running up and down the wing of a very good football team. Up to that point the top 20 draft pick had been a very ordinary player for 7 or 8 years.

It was criminal because he was easily B22 at the time and in a role we didn't have experience or depth in. He left us and continued his strong form. I and others have said we also missed his defensive run, marking and strength. Longmuir pointed that out last week when on with Haselby. We botched it.

 

[poshman]

Agreed. If we're serious about getting something from the year it has to be 3-3 as the low water mark. Beat the two cellar dwellers and pinch one of the other four games against good teams. Since two of those four are at Optus and one is on neutral (gather round) territory, 3-3 is a fair expectation

I agree... and I remember losing to North last season. Shudder.

 

[poshman]

We have both West Coast and North Melbourne in the first six rounds. If we’re not 2-4 based off those games alone JL would probably be about $1.05 to get sacked.

I think there’s one or two other winnable games in between that so hopefully it’s 3-3 or even 4-2 tbh.

North beat us last year, but I agree, we should win that one. 2-4 should be the minimum. Win one of the others at home and we might be starting to build something. 4-2 should see us hit the bye with 5~ losses.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Genuine question while we talk about them, who is Norths two key backs with Logie injured? Corr and…

Refusing McDonald and Curtin, they must be deathly afraid of WA draftees or something

 

[The Feeder Club]

Genuine question while we talk about them, who is Norths two key backs with Logie injured? Corr and…

Refusing McDonald and Curtin, they must be deathly afraid of WA draftees or something

Isn't that Comben fella that's always injured the one? Recruited as a forward but being trained as a back

 

[Joao]

Isn't that Comben fella that's always injured the one? Recruited as a forward but being trained as a back

Yeah him and those two dudes they picked up in the MSD and UFA - Dawson? and Pinker?

 

[poshman]

Genuine question while we talk about them, who is Norths two key backs with Logie injured? Corr and…

Refusing McDonald and Curtin, they must be deathly afraid of WA draftees or something

Yeah - you would think if the mids break even Amiss and Jackson will cut them up.

Having said that, I went into the game last season thinking we would win by 8 goals.