Coach Justin Longmuir

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royale with cheese said:
Honestly I see this season as being a typical Freo one, in the hunt until three rounds to go, then losing the last three games without giving much of a fight.
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This would be depressing... But that would also be an overachievement from here. We have a horrible run into the bye. We could win as many as 3 or as few as 1. Nightmare stuff.

Joao said:
Sure, but by the bye that will be pipe-dream stuff unless we improve dramatically.

Dogs
Lions
Hawks
Swans
Cats
Dees

We're favourites against the Hawks (but Mitchell worries me) and maybe 50-50 with the Dogs.

4-7 (or worse) at the bye and its time to think beyond 2023.
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I think 4-7 is best case. We screwed ourselves losing to North.
 
Wobbly Punt said:
Very good questions and they're ones he would have to deal with in any interview. I will say Graham was on my list more on probability than on my actual preference to be honest. He wouldn't be my pick but I think he'd be Bell's if he was allowed another go at getting it right. I also don't have a deep knowledge of other assistants so probably lazily went for the name recognition over substance. I will add the fact he apparently was real close to getting the Pies job does hold some weight for me given how Macrae has turned out. I remember one report I read after Macrae was appointed was that he and Graham had very similar views on gameplans so that stuck now that Macrae has had the success he has had.

With that I think some of the queries you raise may not be solely laid at his feet. The 2 I would question most as to putting Graham on the hotseat for them would be our forward structure and our development of Treacy.

Firstly to structure. I've pointed it out before in other threads but our setup at stoppages at or near the centre (other than after goals) makes life difficult for our forwards and I believe this to be deemed by the senior coach as a central principle that the line coaches then work around. Is it Graham's job to push back on it if it's not working? Yes, no doubt. But he may have and JL2 has told him it won't be changed. Absolutely a concern but Graham could say at interview what was wrong with it and how he'd change it to get past that concern. If he is the author of that structure then that should kill his chances but without being sure, I'm of the belief he isn't.

With regard to the development of Treacy, I think this last pre-season we saw a glimpse of why Graham may be OK and JL2 is the trouble. During the PS (I've been told) the line coaches work more closely with the players than the head coach. The bulk of their 1-1 contact is with their line coaches and the S&C staff. Treacy in that environment was a different player to who we saw against the Saints and who has now been discarded since then. Again, that stinks of JL2 having a different view to most the rest of the world about a player and being dead wrong (other examples exist there too with Sturt and then Banfield at the other end of the spectrum). I'm guessing Treacy feels this lack of confidence and it impacts him in pushing too hard, second guessing etc. How JL2 has treated Treacy over the journey in selections is criminal in my view and any development being done would be drastically undermined by it. I think we saw the development growth of Treacy that Graham has contributed too in the PS and in the WAFL last year and JL2 is stepping all over it with poor use and even poorer selection treatment. The latest being replacing Tabs with 4 mid to small players flying over. He didn't give him even a sniff and instead decided on leaving Treacy behind. That means we must be going to play Jackson as a KPF again, replace him in the mids with Brodie and have Sturt join as a medium forward. Once again proof JL2 has no solid concept of the best structure and is the classic monkey throwing crap at the wall hoping some of it stick. Does Graham share blame in this? Yep. But I would give him the chance at interview to explain it away if he could.

I'd also say Fyfe up forward is yet to be determined. The Saints game was not an indication as the gameplan was so negative we had him and all the other forwards competing against 2-3 players each contest. That's not Fyfe or Graham's fault. JL2 blamed the players but he had 3 breaks to correct it and didn't so they either didn't listen (his problem) or it wasn't asked to be corrected (his fault).

The rest I agree which is why Graham wouldn't be my pick but I listed him for those reasons.
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Brother still talks to the NGA guys that he played with that made Freo’s squad, has been told that Longmuir absolutely despises being questioned with a passion and hates criticism fiercely

What that actually means? Well idk, some people those traits are both a good or bad thing depending on the generation
 
AstonSouffle said:
Brother still talks to the NGA guys that he played with that made Freo’s squad, has been told that Longmuir absolutely despises being questioned with a passion and hates criticism fiercely

What that actually means? Well idk, some people those traits are both a good or bad thing depending on the generation
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If that's true then we're ****ed. They are appalling traits and doubly so in high-performance.
 

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AstonSouffle said:
Brother still talks to the NGA guys that he played with that made Freo’s squad, has been told that Longmuir absolutely despises being questioned with a passion and hates criticism fiercely

What that actually means? Well idk, some people those traits are both a good or bad thing depending on the generation
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lol teenage opinions on 'the boss' are never blown out of proportion at all. JL, while being stupidly safe and conservative, does not strike me as someone who is unwaveringly married to their ideas. He's not self-confident enough for that.
 
AstonSouffle said:
Brother still talks to the NGA guys that he played with that made Freo’s squad, has been told that Longmuir absolutely despises being questioned with a passion and hates criticism fiercely

What that actually means? Well idk, some people those traits are both a good or bad thing depending on the generation
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All the qualities you’d want in a coach 😍
 
prpl_jss said:
lol teenage opinions on 'the boss' are never blown out of proportion at all. JL, while being stupidly safe and conservative, does not strike me as someone who is unwaveringly married to their ideas. He's not self-confident enough for that.
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May not be self-confidence but vanity, which are different qualities. Vain & introspective people tend to handle criticism much worse than confident ones in my experience.
 
There are lots of things if you told me about JL, i’d believe. Hates criticism and not listening to players would be pretty low on the list tbh.

I really hope it’s Benning your talking about AstonSouffle because I’d find that pretty hilarious. Thanks for sharing though
 
BigRang said:
you had an idea?
Yes indeed. But there’s a difference between having an idea and questioning directions too.



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Should JLo be given the rest of the year?Yes.

If we miss finals could/should he be sacked if there is a more qualified coach available? Yes.

If there isn’t a more qualified coach? No.
 
freo1997 said:
Should JLo be given the rest of the year?Yes.

If we miss finals could/should he be sacked if there is a more qualified coach available? Yes.

If there isn’t a more qualified coach? No.
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I agree on all 3 points...

Justin Longmuir should see out the rest of the season. Even if we get only 5-8 wins.

If we miss finals, should he be sacked? No I don't think so. Unless there is a better coach.

If there isn't a better coach out there? No

I hope Justin Longmuir coaching stint isn't another Mark Harvey stint.

In a way if Freo doesn't make finals, It could end up like it
 
Freomaniac said:
I agree on all 3 points...

Justin Longmuir should see out the rest of the season. Even if we get only 5-8 wins.

If we miss finals, should he be sacked? No I don't think so. Unless there is a better coach.

If there isn't a better coach out there? No

I hope Justin Longmuir coaching stint isn't another Mark Harvey stint.

In a way if Freo doesn't make finals, It could end up like it
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Ideally a succession plan should have been in the cards with Harvey.
He was a very good assistant coach. Scott should have replaced him.
Mark needed the best team around him, and it’s looking similar with JL.
How you can lose Carr, one less coach?
I’d be adding to the coaching panel, Swans have the best offensive and defensively patterns, and there are WA coaches with experience.
Freo go all in on trades, cheap, off the field, and nothings changed in our short
history of mediocrity.
 
Gee whiz. Last year you lot were all ''Ín J-Lo we trust'' and ''All hail Dinga Bell'' we've had a few losses but let's be honest, Adelaide are playing pretty bloody good footy, St Kilda certainly don't look like easy beats and a few of our better players have been down on form. And we're still one of the youngest sides going around. Progress isn't linear. I'm happy to give the bloke the benefit of the doubt.
 
blue shark said:
Ideally a succession plan should have been in the cards with Harvey.
He was a very good assistant coach. Scott should have replaced him.
Mark needed the best team around him, and it’s looking similar with JL.
How you can lose Carr, one less coach?
I’d be adding to the coaching panel, Swans have the best offensive and defensively patterns, and there are WA coaches with experience.
Freo go all in on trades, cheap, off the field, and nothings changed in our short
history of mediocrity.
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Well here's the thing.... You see the team up the road. They have had ex eagles players as assistant coaches.

Some eagles players ease into an admin job or coaches job after their playing careersare done.

Only ex dockers player I see in the coaching staff is Tendai Mzungu.

Roger Hayden was a development coach at one point too.
 
Joao said:
You're in absolute denial if you think we're coming to QLD and beating Brisbane. It's not impossible but its also not happening.

Geelong at home depends on who turns up: Q3/4 Cats against WC vs Q3/4 Freo against Suns and we win easily. Q2 version of each is a 10 goal loss.

Fingers crossed.
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I have us at 3-3 over the next 6 weeks tbh.
 
greatgatsby said:
I've got big doubts. While he deserves the opportunity to get us through this period, I do fear wasting this nice list for two or three years.
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The thing is, the list is very young. From this standpoint last year was ahead of the curve in many ways. A couple of years into a young squad would equal development more than wastage.
 
Joao said:
Sure, but by the bye that will be pipe-dream stuff unless we improve dramatically.

Dogs
Lions
Hawks
Swans
Cats
Dees

We're favourites against the Hawks (but Mitchell worries me) and maybe 50-50 with the Dogs.

4-7 (or worse) at the bye and its time to think beyond 2023.
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All I see are six straight wins
 
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