Coach Justin Longmuir

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apuchar said:
Garlick has just owned up to deliberately throwing Justin under the bus by going younger with their list management. Can't help thinking Bell, Garlick, and Wells should be sacked first
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This is garbage, Garlick never said any such thing.

Last September, October, November and December, JL said on multiple ocasions how hapy he was with the youth direction and how the list got younger.
Repeated that in Jan and Feb this year as part of the pre season, and raved about how great it was that we had kids playing.

JL also did nothing when Mundy wanted a one year deal and Bell said no.
And did nothing when JOM was handed a 4 year gauranteed deal.

So many Bell apologists on this site it is just sad.

Garlick had zero input to the list management decisions beyond signing the contract forms, was expressly excluided from multiple meetings with player agents and prospective players.
 
apuchar said:
It was in an interview on Sen i think.
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Rubbish - absolute rubbish. Garlick noted the age of the list but said nothing about "throwing JLO under the bus".

Good coaches (not great coaches, just good coaches) adapt and still deliver results no matter whether they have a young,old or mixed list.

We've had one of the fewest injury lists for most of the season, have a set of proven AFL players playing regularly at Peel yet never getting picked (Wilson, Hamling, Brodie, Colyer), have multiple potential AFL quality players who aren't allowed even 4 consecutive games at AFL level (Sturt, Worner, Wagner, Corbett), have made less than two player changes in almost every round including after abysmal performances, yet people still want to try to pretend that this is not fundamentally a coaching issue.

Bell (and ONLY Bell) made the list decisions in the last three years, not one player JLo mentioned as a possible fringe player in the list discussions was even interviewed by Freo, let alone offered a contract. Bell hoards the list power like few others in AFL club land. Bell also drives each week's selection and injury management decisions.
 

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BringBackTheAnchor said:
Is this true? do you have a source or quote?
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Absolutely true. No need for a "meejia " quote, true from my own personal knowledge.

Was absolutely what Mundy and his camp wanted, especially given the 1 year to play then 1 year coach deals that the likes of Mitchell (with WCE) and StevieJ (GWS) and others had been able to get with no dramas from their clubs.

Just bizzaro land that Bell rejected it, somehow Bell thought his "coup" of recruiting JOM (which had been underway since July 2022, despite the garbage narrative of the press around the deal being pure coincidence and all just last minute) would mean that Mundy, Brodie and Sturt would all be disposable.
 
BeinPurplenGreen said:
Rubbish - absolute rubbish. Garlick noted the age of the list but said nothing about "throwing JLO under the bus".

Good coaches (not great coaches, just good coaches) adapt and still deliver results no matter whether they have a young,old or mixed list.

We've had one of the fewest injury lists for most of the season, have a set of proven AFL players playing regularly at Peel yet never getting picked (Wilson, Hamling, Brodie, Colyer), have multiple potential AFL quality players who aren't allowed even 4 consecutive games at AFL level (Sturt, Worner, Wagner, Corbett), have made less than two player changes in almost every round including after abysmal performances, yet people still want to try to pretend that this is not fundamentally a coaching issue.

Bell (and ONLY Bell) made the list decisions in the last three years, not one player JLo mentioned as a possible fringe player in the list discussions was even interviewed by Freo, let alone offered a contract. Bell hoards the list power like few others in AFL club land. Bell also drives each week's selection and injury management decisions.
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That wasn't a quote. He accepted that they left Justin with a very young inexperienced side and that they did it deliberately . The under the bus was my take on it.
Ross did well with that. Yeah right. So has Clarko. Etc
I agree they have been selecting mostly for the future. I don't mind except he hasn't experimented enough with the younger players. Too many have kinda been given a job for life, irrespective of performance. But to be fair Tabs, Fyfe and Chapman would have been playing if available. As would have Nod. Colyer may gave got a gig as well but has been injured. Corbett had a late start and hasn't been able to get his kicking right. They tried to play Wagner early but it was too soon, Worner had a lot to learn and he did eventually. I agree with mr 'I am never wrong' guy. Wilsons laying down every time he gets a knock probably stamped his papers. Joel has only just started playing well. Emmett had a late start and his kicking is very wonky I could go on but at he risk of sending you into a coma, i won't.

I said Bell and co deliberately went younger. What we don't know is the reason why. It left Justin in a very difficult position for now. Which brings us full circle, Garlick, Wall's and Bell deliberately went young and inexperienced and left Justin in a very difficult position especially when you consider they replaced an experienced senior support coach with a rookie.

It was only a few weeks ago the Carlton supporters wanted Mad Vossy sacked. Quite a few of the rising teams from last year are starting to struggle again. Most of the top six are the same old teams with about 8 fighting it out for the last couple if spot.
 
Dockeroo said:
Not keeping Mundy on for another year was criminal in hindsight. He would have been a great mentor for MJ and Ras on the park
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Mundy will also be one of the great coaching minds of the next 15 years. And yet we F'd him off without even trying to give him a go as a development assistant for one year as a way of getting him to go round for one more year as a player...

Everyone is hammering me for my views on Bell, with ten years hindsight you'll see how toxic he is, just as he has been such a toxic failure in so many things before he ever came anywhere near the job at Freo.

The blind love for Bell and JLo is just so instructive of how the Freo social media team has taken over the messaging...
 
danstar said:
THIS!!!! we have never in our 28 year history been ruthless and gone after a coach, we have always waited for everyones s**t to fall off their plates and we just scoop up the duds from there. And dont give me but Lyon... hes a s**t coach.
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I agree with most of your post.

But I will always enjoy Freos 2012-15 finals era, even though we didnt win a flag. It was a great achievment playing 9 finals in that 4 year period with Battlers like Matt De Boer and Tendai Mzungu in the side.

I wished the dockers made finals in 2005. That means back to back finals in 2005-6. I also wished the dockers made finals in 2021 too. That means Longmuir made back to back finals in 2021-22.

It wouldnt of meant much but Back to back finals in 2005-6, 2012-15 and 2021-22, that means 3 different standout eras. That means 10 years of finals in 30 years.
 
freo1997 said:
I agree that we do something but disagree with Lyon. Early days was great for us.
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deputy said:
True Lyon's first few years were top shelf,then he spent to many hours at Gino's
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Again, I will always savour that 2012-15 finals era. 4 wins, 5 losses in those 4 years.

I would love a Neil Craig type run he had at the crows in 2005-9 Yeah it was 3 finals wins and 6 losses. But it was a good period for them. They should of won the 2006 flag had they beaten the eagles.
 

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blue shark said:
Only way is a succession plan, and let’s be honest once JLo’s contract is up
Is he going to get another?
It’s like M Harvey all over again, great assistant, but is not capable of even
numerous final appearances.
History has proven you need to be top 4 from WA to even think about a
Premiership.
If we are serious we will see changes, a harder edge on and off the field.
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se17enteen said:
Can’t see Longmuir getting an extension next year. . Colin Young really did ruin Longmuir’s coaching career with his off season moves. That’s on Longmuir for pick him as his manager.


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Only way Justin Longmuir gets an extension is that we make finals.
 
BeinPurplenGreen said:
Bell (and ONLY Bell) made the list decisions in the last three years, not one player JLo mentioned as a possible fringe player in the list discussions was even interviewed by Freo, let alone offered a contract. Bell hoards the list power like few others in AFL club land. Bell also drives each week's selection and injury management decisions.
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And how exactly would you know this when I assume you are just sitting in the stands and watching on TV every week like the rest of us?
 
Freomaniac said:
Again, I will always savour that 2012-15 finals era. 4 wins, 5 losses in those 4 years.

I would love a Neil Craig type run he had at the crows in 2005-9 Yeah it was 3 finals wins and 6 losses. But it was a good period for them. They should of won the 2006 flag had they beaten the eagles.
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We should have won the 2006 flag with the team we had.
 
Docker82 said:
Didn’t think 46 points was a bad result today given our form and some outs.

I stand by what I said in May and what I repeated in June. We’ve got to look like a top eight side and on the right track more than we don’t. If we do and miss the finals due to a poor start to the season I’m willing to accept that and give him a chance next year.

At this stage we’re zero chance of finals and are well short of looking like a top eight side. I don’t really see the benefit of sacking him right now tbh but if we don’t sack him at the end of the season we’re ****ing soft. This isn’t the worst midfield in the competition and isn’t a bottom four list except we actually are atm despite the names on the park making that look borderline impossible prior to the season starting.
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Sorry, I just can't agree with this.

Our midfield is basically 2 kids driving 2 other kids and O'Meara. It's hardly one that screams top 8.

We don't have a single outside mid who is better than a C grader and we seriously lack size and power both inside and out.

Our forward line is utter garbage. Amiss and Walters are the only 2 who would play in a top 8 team. Amiss is 19 and the other 32. Maybe Schultz at some clubs. That's 11 years of drafts that Freo ignored the front half. Blind Freddy saw we were heading for trouble. If you didn't cringe when we sold 2 first rounders for a ruck - then you you didn't see it either.

Our list, save for the back 6 and rucks, is absolutely a bottom 4 list. Our forward line, bottom 2.

Put it this way. If you could swap your forward line with West Coast (and get Allen) tomorrow - would you?
 
WilloTree said:
Put it this way. If you could swap your forward line with West Coast (and get Allen) tomorrow - would you?
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Never mind the rest but this is an easy no. Amiss on track to at least equal Allen and is 5 years younger. Taking him all day as the rest of their forwards are either old or worse than ours.
 
Joao said:
Never mind the rest but this is an easy no. Amiss on track to at least equal Allen and is 5 years younger. Taking him all day as the rest of their forwards are either old or worse than ours.
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Oh I love Jye - he'll be a very very good player, but you're seriously under-rating Oscar Allen. He's kicked 38 goals (9th) in a team that gets belted by 100 points most weeks.
 
WilloTree said:
Oh I love Jye - he'll be a very very good player, but you're seriously under-rating Oscar Allen. He's kicked 38 goals (9th) in a team that gets belted by 100 points most weeks.
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There is literally nobody else to kick to. Allen is gun but is physically developed and experienced. He also has an injury history.

It's nothing to do with Allen not being gun, it is everything to do with the fact Jye is tracking to be more gun, is significantly younger, and doesn't have "football" injury history.
 
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