Team Mgmt. Makeup of our team II - Strengths & deficiencies, player development

[silk]

I look at the list and unless Perkins and Cox can somehow do a Caldwell, and the Davey's see huge improvements next year, I just don't have much hope in anything good happening in the next 5 years. Merrett's going to end up with a bit of wasted caereer. Really hope I'm wrong, but this isn't reactionary, I've had huge doubts of the lists all year, and still feel like the trades and signings were just to plug holes and not actually make us better.

 

[jdstorm]

I look at the list and unless Perkins and Cox can somehow do a Caldwell, and the Davey's see huge improvements next year, I just don't have much hope in anything good happening in the next 5 years. Merrett's going to end up with a bit of wasted caereer. Really hope I'm wrong, but this isn't reactionary, I've had huge doubts of the lists all year, and still feel like the trades and signings were just to plug holes and not actually make us better.

People felt the same way about Carlton about halfway through last season. Sometimes you just need things to click

 

[Yoda_]

I want to see genuine game changers brought onto the list. Im talking a big powerful midfielder in the Bont, Cripps type.

If that doesn't happen then a game changing small / medium forward. The small forwards we currently have are crap and not good enough or simply cant stay on the park. Picket looked like tearing the game apart for them last night. How often does Shai Bolton

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Shai Bolton

Age

26

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

tear games apart? Weightman? Stengle? Papley? Doesnt need to be an early draft pick but someone lightning who can mark over head would be nice.

I desperately want to see more (small) medium fwd marking types. Perhaps just another example of Perkins. Someone who can start on a HFF but role up to the middle when needed. Depth in this area would be nice in lieu of the plethora of small forwards we have.

I think we are ok in midfielders, maybe guys who can role through would be nice but not their no.1 role. More flankers (mainly forward) as well. A key forward to develop would be nice as well, doesn't need to be an early selection but someone to keep an eye on in the twos.


The best 22 (23) isn't that bad but depth for the list needs to be expanded or we won't see any improvement to our results or we stick to the same tried and tested make up that has served us so well.

 

[Yoda_]

People felt the same way about Carlton about halfway through last season. Sometimes you just need things to click

Last night was a perfect time to "click" but didn't.

 

[FlyingV]

It’s pretty rare all your young talent just simultaneously fire in the one season. Durham, Martin and Caldwell are the finds this season. Makes sense given they have all had 2-3 season continuity and are entering their primes at 23 yo.

Next season is critical for Perkins, Cox, Hobbs, Reid - they enter that age bracket and it’s no longer enough to show glimpses.

Davey x2, Tsatas and Wanganeen need to show more glimpses at AFL level next season.

Feel like the development has been good this year. But pretty nervous about Daveysx2 and Hobbs in particular. They have really stalled.

 

[Yoda_]

It’s pretty rare all your young talent just simultaneously fire in the one season. Durham, Martin and Caldwell are the finds this season. Makes sense given they have all had 2-3 season continuity and are entering their primes at 23 yo.

Next season is critical for Perkins, Cox, Hobbs, Reid - they enter that age bracket and it’s no longer enough to show glimpses.

Davey x2, Tsatas and Wanganeen need to show more glimpses at AFL level next season.

Feel like the development has been good this year. But pretty nervous about Daveysx2 and Hobbs in particular. They have really stalled.

I just posted in another thread but the lack of first rounders in 2017 > 2019 is really hurting us at the moment.

2017 would make them 23,
2019 would make them 25.

First rounders heading into there prime is hurting us big time

 

[silk]

People felt the same way about Carlton about halfway through last season. Sometimes you just need things to click

That's absolutely fair, and I didn't expect Caldwell or Durham to improve the way the did this season, which they certainly have.

 

[eth-dog]

People felt the same way about Carlton about halfway through last season. Sometimes you just need things to click

Yes, but most our supporter base are a bunch of Veruca Salts.

 

[jdstorm]

Last night was a perfect time to "click" but didn't.

yeah, things never go as well as you want.

Team has some issues. Also have good talent.

That Carlton side was playing too tall. Took out a ruck and everything took off.

North a month ago added an extra tall and instantly improved.

The difference between teams is so small RN that the right small tweak can have a big impact.

 

[Yoda_]

yeah, things never go as well as you want.

Team has some issues. Also have good talent.

That Carlton side was playing too tall. Took out a ruck and everything took off.

North a month ago added an extra tall and instantly improved.

The difference between teams is so small RN that the right small tweak can have a big impact.

Hopefully dropping Wright is the click this team needs because that is probably the biggest concern right now

 

[jdstorm]

Hopefully dropping Wright is the click this team needs because that is probably the biggest concern right now

Hard to know. Forward line is too slow so added speed would be nice.

Then dropping Wright takes away lots of height. His dropped marks would be less bad if we could crumb/hold pressure.

I think Wright is unfairly maligned. Wouldn’t mind resting Stringer for a week and seeing what it looks like with him swapped with a pressure player

 

[Yoda_]

Hard to know. Forward line is too slow so added speed would be nice.

Then dropping Wright takes away lots of height. His dropped marks would be less bad if we could crumb/hold pressure.

I think Wright is unfairly maligned. Wouldn’t mind resting Stringer for a week and seeing what it looks like with him swapped with a pressure player

thing is we don't have a (natural small) pressure forward ready enough though. Menzies has been playing higher up the ground at VFL level, ADJ looks better suited up the ground. Jayden is coming from a long way back and Tex will be delisted at years end.

 

[jdstorm]

thing is we don't have a (natural small) pressure forward ready enough though. Menzies has been playing higher up the ground at VFL level, ADJ looks better suited up the ground. Jayden is coming from a long way back and Tex will be delisted at years end.

Nick hind has been Sub. Parish and Saad will be back before finals. Roberts has shown some promise, has a big tank and his defensive shortcomings might be mitigated by a ball chasing role close to goal.

Again I’m not sure any of these work. The only thing I’m certain of is the current mix definitely doesn’t.

 

[Yoda_]

Nick hind has been Sub. Parish and Saad will be back before finals. Roberts has shown some promise, has a big tank and his defensive shortcomings might be mitigated by a ball chasing role close to goal.

Again I’m not sure any of these work. The only thing I’m certain of is the current mix definitely doesn’t.

Id have more confidence in Wanganeen playing this role than any of the ones you mentioned

 

[jdstorm]

Id have more confidence in Wanganeen playing this role than any of the ones you mentioned

Add him to the list.

I’m not picky. Just think repeatedly doing what doesn’t work and hoping for different results is a bad idea

 

[Yoda_]

Add him to the list.

I’m not picky. Just think repeatedly doing what doesn’t work and hoping for different results is a bad idea

unfortunately I have little faith in the club making hard and honest decisions like this.



Hawthorn shipped off multiple triple premiership players to reign a rebuild whilst still good enough. Meanwhile we hold onto blokes because we don't want to hurt there feelings or piss off clubs greats. Cannot fathom how we operate sometimes

 

[katana]

I look at the list and unless Perkins and Cox can somehow do a Caldwell

what's 'doing a caldwell'? continued improvement over 5 seasons? injury free preseasons? what?

 

[silk]

what's 'doing a caldwell'? continued improvement over 5 seasons? injury free preseasons? what?

Becoming consistently good. Caldwell showed he could played previously but didn’t do it week in week out until this season. The reason I refer to Caldwell and not Durham is what you are saying. I'm not looking for overnight sensation which Durham kinda is.

 

[Nifft]

Yes, but most our supporter base are a bunch of Veruca Salts.

 

[Vindicater]

We are fairly good in terms of players in each position. It is so okay talent that is too low or injury riddled.

I would delist/trade/retire

Heppell, Kelly, Goldstein, Weideman, Baldwin, Hunter and Wanganeen.

J Davey gets moved to the rookie list.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Hopefully dropping Wright is the click this team needs because that is probably the biggest concern right now

We probably need him as a backup ruck regardless of how poorly he's going as a KPF.

 

[jdstorm]

We probably need him as a backup ruck regardless of how poorly he's going as a KPF.

With Goldy and Nick Bryan on the list we 100% don’t need that at all.

 

[Old Campaigner]

With Goldy and Nick Bryan on the list we 100% don’t need that at all.

Someone has to ruck when those guys are having a rest.

Otherwise we're playing them plus Draper as ruck/forward who is probably worse in every way to Wright

 

[brutus76]

**** under pressure and half the backline cannot kick

 

[Yoda_]

**** under pressure and half the backline cannot kick

Redman, Ridley, Martin are all good kicks. I think it is a fallacy we are poor from half back. yes, we have some average kicks but overall, we should be better at getting the ball from half back