Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott

[MiguelM]

We need to start playing players in their best positions starting with Martin forward, Stringer forward.

I heard Stringer had more midfield time than Caldwell? WTF is going on. Putting Langford back is ridiculous esp when the game is done and dusted.

The 8 year plan is a joke. Hawks did it in 1 year.

 

[jmoo wan]

Apologies for the intrusion, but I don't like your odds. He came to North and immediately tried dismantling the idea of the Shinboner Spirit (the idea behind his decision had some merit, but there were other ways to go about it) and by half way through his tenure we had players in the leadership group justifying losses by saying winning wasn't everything. Seemingly the biggest cultural aspect he sought to create, was ensuring players were set up for life after football, whether that be by getting their degrees or investing in real estate. As much reason as I might have to troll you guys, I'm not lying on this.

Yeah, he could get the team up frequently enough to take scalps from top 4 teams or to come out firing after a particularly bad loss, but he never once managed to create a culture of consistent work ethic throughout a season, and a big aspect of that is something we are seeing now: his selection policies. On that note, whatever you do, don't let him get full control of list management. Cam Joyce was some no-named opposition scout or something, that eventually found himself as our list manager and number one Brad Brownnoser. Brad then managed to get that hack promoted to GM of football, his own boss, in their final three years at the club! That era was when we recruited mature hacks and did everything to try to hold onto making it into the 8, until his plan of topping up and never making top 4 failed, and he pitched a full blow rebuild to the board!

to be fair the ”shinboner spirit” sounds really lame

 

[MiguelM]

to be fair the ”shinboner spirit” sounds really lame

A bit like the edge hey!

 

[andleanback]

I think we have a catch-22 here, and I'm on the fence still but waverying more and more each week when it comes to Scott, but I think this offseason will ultimately decide his future at the club.

Outside of Merrett, I don't think we have any other player who would rank in the top 5 for their position, except Maybe Langford as a medium forward, but he plays almost like a key forward, and he isn't not a top 5 key forward.

Is that coaching, developing or drafting? Probably a combination of all three, that starts with drafting. We have a list of AFL players, sure, but the vast majority would struggle to be in the top 10 of their role, with most being mid-tier or below.

I don't have the interest to work it out line by line, but let's pick the easiest one. Which number 1 ruckman that played AFL on the weekend is actually worse then Draper? Maybe West Coast and Richmond; no surprise where they are on the ladder.

Ruck is one of our biggest issues. Draper is so overhyped in media circles than what he actually delivers.

 

[jmoo wan]

A bit like the edge hey!

the Essendon Edge sounds cool, the problem is it doesn’t actually exist anywhere outside of a whiteboard in the change room

 

[bigjimy]

I don’t know much about coaching but last week I heard the system is fine but the players didn’t execute and this week i heard the players didn’t try hard enough. When a coach starts throwing his players under a bus it’s because he’s already lost them.

 

[MiguelM]

Ruck is one of our biggest issues. Draper is so overhyped in media circles than what he actually delivers.

We should look at Marshall.

 

[andleanback]

We should look at Marshall.

I don’t think offering a long term deal to a 30yo ruck is the answer tbh. Find a cheap option second stringer from somewhere and hope they can perform imo. Look at Lloyd meek for hawks

 

[yodellinhank]

I don’t know much about coaching but last week I heard the system is fine but the players didn’t execute and this week i heard the players didn’t try hard enough. When a coach starts throwing his players under a bus it’s because he’s already lost them.

I've just checked and we play Brisbane at the Gabba in round 24. If he could lose the players up in Queensland hopefully they don't make it back for list lodgement. Might be able to ask the AFL for permission to field top ups in 2025

 

[ant555]

I'm not sure how relentlessly defending every decision the club has made across player threads and coaching threads when it is questioned as possibly wrong by other posters and then going on a "I said", "I think", "I believe this" rant practically saying how much you aren't sold on those very same points that others keep pointing out works logically.

Well I suppose it comes down to how you read it . All I have ever done is questioned a few facts or presented a few reasons why things may be what they are. At no stage have i ever said Scott will be the next premiership coach . At no stage have I ever said these guys will get it right. At every stage I have said it will take years to build the list .
Please do find me where I have defended the club on every decision. Please do. Do point it out.
There things I have been big on are

There are 4 new blokes in control of list decisions and they have had 1 Trade / FA / Draft period.

Yes Scott has backed the older players but when you have been winning you do not really change the side much.

There have really only been 3 players who have not played that probably should have and not 6 or 7. And he has played young blokes. He does not load up but he has played them.

That match Sim has been Part of the selection process and not just what you watch on the weekend and in the match sim and .

That to build your program you start with the guys who have the buy in as far as game plan goes .

I have had a chat to people involved in the Melbourne build and they said that early on they selected players based on buy in and understanding the game plan but 5 years in if the same players where on the list they would not have been selected.
There is a similar story at Richmond.

None of the above is defending every decision the club makes relentlessly.

 

[dank420_]

Well I suppose it comes down to how you read it . All I have ever done is questioned a few facts or presented a few reasons why things may be what they are. At no stage have i ever said Scott will be the next premiership coach . At no stage have I ever said these guys will get it right. At every stage I have said it will take years to build the list .
Please do find me where I have defended the club on every decision. Please do. Do point it out.

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[Kong]

to be fair the ”shinboner spirit” sounds really lame

A bit like the edge hey!

And Meatgrinder was the worst football term I've ever heard. Or was that a supporter thing?

 

[ghostdog]

I don’t think offering a long term deal to a 30yo ruck is the answer tbh. Find a cheap option second stringer from somewhere and hope they can perform imo. Look at Lloyd meek for hawks

He's 28. That would be enough cover Bryan and Visentini's development windows.
Agree though. Time to look at younger players.

 

[andleanback]

He's 28. That would be enough cover Bryan and Visentini's development windows.
Agree though. Time to look at younger players.

I thought he was already 29 with a birthday later this year, he’s turns 29 this year. Regardless. You’d have to offer 5-6 years to be able to get him at close to a mill. It’s not worth it for a ruck who will play most of the contract in his 30s.

 

[Vindicater]

As much as what Scott is doing at the moment is frustating the hell out of me, I honestly believe he has no intentions of bringing this team to a finals campaign at the expense of his gameplan and structures. When he said the 8 year plan I think he truly meant it, the guys being left to develop in the VFL will probably get a game before the end of the year and next year will be apart of the plans movinI am guessing the fitness base needed for his gameplan is still pretty far off as well, I think he is developing his players the way he wants and I don't think anything will change that, its probably pissing off a lot of the team but maybe its the shakeup they needed.

Either that or he is just a shit coach.

 

[ant555]

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it will show I agree with some and not agree with others as far as the club goes.

 

[The Devils Advocate]

Brad Scott has made a lot of noise with his mouth so far. I'll be interested to see if he backs any of it up with action. Heads should roll at the selection table if he's serious. There's a lot of blokes at VFL level playing well.

 

[ant555]

Brad Scott has made a lot of noise with his mouth so far. I'll be interested to see if he backs any of it up with action. Heads should roll at the selection table if he's serious. There's a lot of blokes at VFL level playing well.

Based on what I watched yesterday there were at least 7 blokes who showed enough effort all day .

I have sat on the fence as far as most selections go but he can no longer be backing Heppell . Wright . Laverde . Perkins . Even Stringer .

 

[Vindicater]

Must swing the axe.

 

[Squeaky]

Not a fan of his versatility/flexibility mantra on development.

Has the whole jack of all trades master of none vibe to it.

Slight downgrade on that:
Jack of no trades, master of none.

 

[andleanback]

Based on what I watched yesterday there were at least 7 blokes who showed enough effort all day .

I have sat on the fence as far as most selections go but he can no longer be backing Heppell . Wright . Laverde . Perkins . Even Stringer .

Don’t forget our gun small forward Menzie averaging 0.2 goals a game

 

[BrunoV]

I don’t know much about coaching but last week I heard the system is fine but the players didn’t execute and this week i heard the players didn’t try hard enough. When a coach starts throwing his players under a bus it’s because he’s already lost them.

Interestingly this is AFL coaching 101.

All they ever do publicly is talk about the contest which is just player blaming.

 

[Phone]

I don’t know much about coaching but last week I heard the system is fine but the players didn’t execute and this week i heard the players didn’t try hard enough. When a coach starts throwing his players under a bus it’s because he’s already lost them.

An easy thing you can do is never actually listen when a coach talks about "hard work", "toughness", "effort" and all that stuff. It's just stuff from a script. They have to say it because if they don't, they get called out for being soft (see: kane cornes and adem yze when yze has not been using the established syntax). If the team under-performed based on expectations = didn't work hard enough, not tough enough at the contest. if the team over-performed = work rate was good, hard at the contest.

a bot could do these lines, given how insanely predictable they are (and fans do it just as much as the coach does). it doesn't mean anything at all. it means less than nothing. it's just words that have to be said because if scott says he was really impressed with how hard we worked after an embarrassing loss, the world will end

 

[Zephyr Effekt]

 

[Bjchan13]

Parish straight back in when you have Setterfield and Hobbs with 3 games of match fitness in the VFL already.

Menzie being picked.

Persisting with Martin back.

Mismanaging Hind and Perkins.

Persisting with Stringer at Centre bounces

Picking tall teams in pouring rain

Brads in about as good a form as our players