Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott - Playing the kids!

[andleanback]

We should look at Marshall.

I don’t think offering a long term deal to a 30yo ruck is the answer tbh. Find a cheap option second stringer from somewhere and hope they can perform imo. Look at Lloyd meek for hawks

 

[yodellinhank]

I don’t know much about coaching but last week I heard the system is fine but the players didn’t execute and this week i heard the players didn’t try hard enough. When a coach starts throwing his players under a bus it’s because he’s already lost them.

I've just checked and we play Brisbane at the Gabba in round 24. If he could lose the players up in Queensland hopefully they don't make it back for list lodgement. Might be able to ask the AFL for permission to field top ups in 2025

 

[ant555]

I'm not sure how relentlessly defending every decision the club has made across player threads and coaching threads when it is questioned as possibly wrong by other posters and then going on a "I said", "I think", "I believe this" rant practically saying how much you aren't sold on those very same points that others keep pointing out works logically.

Well I suppose it comes down to how you read it . All I have ever done is questioned a few facts or presented a few reasons why things may be what they are. At no stage have i ever said Scott will be the next premiership coach . At no stage have I ever said these guys will get it right. At every stage I have said it will take years to build the list .
Please do find me where I have defended the club on every decision. Please do. Do point it out.
There things I have been big on are

There are 4 new blokes in control of list decisions and they have had 1 Trade / FA / Draft period.

Yes Scott has backed the older players but when you have been winning you do not really change the side much.

There have really only been 3 players who have not played that probably should have and not 6 or 7. And he has played young blokes. He does not load up but he has played them.

That match Sim has been Part of the selection process and not just what you watch on the weekend and in the match sim and .

That to build your program you start with the guys who have the buy in as far as game plan goes .

I have had a chat to people involved in the Melbourne build and they said that early on they selected players based on buy in and understanding the game plan but 5 years in if the same players where on the list they would not have been selected.
There is a similar story at Richmond.

None of the above is defending every decision the club makes relentlessly.

 

[dank420_]

Well I suppose it comes down to how you read it . All I have ever done is questioned a few facts or presented a few reasons why things may be what they are. At no stage have i ever said Scott will be the next premiership coach . At no stage have I ever said these guys will get it right. At every stage I have said it will take years to build the list .
Please do find me where I have defended the club on every decision. Please do. Do point it out.

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[Kong]

to be fair the ”shinboner spirit” sounds really lame

A bit like the edge hey!

And Meatgrinder was the worst football term I've ever heard. Or was that a supporter thing?

 

[ghostdog]

I don’t think offering a long term deal to a 30yo ruck is the answer tbh. Find a cheap option second stringer from somewhere and hope they can perform imo. Look at Lloyd meek for hawks

He's 28. That would be enough cover Bryan and Visentini's development windows.
Agree though. Time to look at younger players.

 

[andleanback]

He's 28. That would be enough cover Bryan and Visentini's development windows.
Agree though. Time to look at younger players.

I thought he was already 29 with a birthday later this year, he’s turns 29 this year. Regardless. You’d have to offer 5-6 years to be able to get him at close to a mill. It’s not worth it for a ruck who will play most of the contract in his 30s.

 

[Vindicater]

As much as what Scott is doing at the moment is frustating the hell out of me, I honestly believe he has no intentions of bringing this team to a finals campaign at the expense of his gameplan and structures. When he said the 8 year plan I think he truly meant it, the guys being left to develop in the VFL will probably get a game before the end of the year and next year will be apart of the plans movinI am guessing the fitness base needed for his gameplan is still pretty far off as well, I think he is developing his players the way he wants and I don't think anything will change that, its probably pissing off a lot of the team but maybe its the shakeup they needed.

Either that or he is just a shit coach.

 

[ant555]

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it will show I agree with some and not agree with others as far as the club goes.

 

[Bipolar Bear]

Brad Scott has made a lot of noise with his mouth so far. I'll be interested to see if he backs any of it up with action. Heads should roll at the selection table if he's serious. There's a lot of blokes at VFL level playing well.

 

[ant555]

Brad Scott has made a lot of noise with his mouth so far. I'll be interested to see if he backs any of it up with action. Heads should roll at the selection table if he's serious. There's a lot of blokes at VFL level playing well.

Based on what I watched yesterday there were at least 7 blokes who showed enough effort all day .

I have sat on the fence as far as most selections go but he can no longer be backing Heppell . Wright . Laverde . Perkins . Even Stringer .

 

[Vindicater]

Must swing the axe.

 

[Squeaky]

Not a fan of his versatility/flexibility mantra on development.

Has the whole jack of all trades master of none vibe to it.

Slight downgrade on that:
Jack of no trades, master of none.

 

[andleanback]

Based on what I watched yesterday there were at least 7 blokes who showed enough effort all day .

I have sat on the fence as far as most selections go but he can no longer be backing Heppell . Wright . Laverde . Perkins . Even Stringer .

Don’t forget our gun small forward Menzie averaging 0.2 goals a game

 

[BrunoV]

I don’t know much about coaching but last week I heard the system is fine but the players didn’t execute and this week i heard the players didn’t try hard enough. When a coach starts throwing his players under a bus it’s because he’s already lost them.

Interestingly this is AFL coaching 101.

All they ever do publicly is talk about the contest which is just player blaming.

 

[Phone]

I don’t know much about coaching but last week I heard the system is fine but the players didn’t execute and this week i heard the players didn’t try hard enough. When a coach starts throwing his players under a bus it’s because he’s already lost them.

An easy thing you can do is never actually listen when a coach talks about "hard work", "toughness", "effort" and all that stuff. It's just stuff from a script. They have to say it because if they don't, they get called out for being soft (see: kane cornes and adem yze when yze has not been using the established syntax). If the team under-performed based on expectations = didn't work hard enough, not tough enough at the contest. if the team over-performed = work rate was good, hard at the contest.

a bot could do these lines, given how insanely predictable they are (and fans do it just as much as the coach does). it doesn't mean anything at all. it means less than nothing. it's just words that have to be said because if scott says he was really impressed with how hard we worked after an embarrassing loss, the world will end

 

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[Bjchan13]

Parish straight back in when you have Setterfield and Hobbs with 3 games of match fitness in the VFL already.

Menzie being picked.

Persisting with Martin back.

Mismanaging Hind and Perkins.

Persisting with Stringer at Centre bounces

Picking tall teams in pouring rain

Brads in about as good a form as our players

 

[eth-dog]

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Eh. Bit of a nothing stat.

 

[dank420_]

Eh. Bit of a nothing stat.

It's twofold. we don't play the youth so it stagnates their development but we can't play them cos they're so shit!

 

[Squeaky]

Parish straight back in when you have Setterfield and Hobbs with 3 games of match fitness in the VFL already.

Menzie being picked.

Persisting with Martin back.

Mismanaging Hind and Perkins.

Persisting with Stringer at Centre bounces

Picking tall teams in pouring rain

Brads in about as good a form as our players

word.

 

[Big John Studd]

Too big and slow in the forward line - as soon as the ball hits the ground the opposition are off to the races. Then having 2 key position players as wingmen does not help slow the oppositions transition.

While other clubs start their attack from the back half, We would have close to the least skilled backline players in the league, Mckay, laverde, McGrath, Kelly & Heppell are absolute butchers of the ball.

So we drop Wright & Heppell because of form, But bring them straight back into the team without playing a game in the 2's

 

[Kong]

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to be fair, why debut young players when you have the embarrassment of riches in older players that essendon have

 

[yodellinhank]

Too big and slow in the forward line - as soon as the ball hits the ground the opposition are off to the races. Then having 2 key position players as wingmen does not help slow the oppositions transition.

While other clubs start their attack from the back half, We would have close to the least skilled backline players in the league, Mckay, laverde, McGrath, Kelly & Heppell are absolute butchers of the ball.

So we drop Wright & Heppell because of form, But bring them straight back into the team without playing a game in the 2's

And this is why I can't really agree with posts that say it's all about working on system and setting foundation for the future. The system they've got going up forward is not going to take us anywhere.

 

[Kong]

Given that Scott is leaving some young players to develop outside of the senior team (be it through the VFL or through training without playing AFL), he presumably sees this as more beneficial for them as players.

So on that note, do you think it's fair to expect someone like Hayes to be good to go next year in the same way one of his peers with 2 full seasons of AFL games would be?

I'm not sure if that makes sense. I guess my question is, at what stage would you say you can label Scott's approach to developing young players a failure?

ant555. What are your thoughts on this?