Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott

[Old Campaigner]

Interesting article

What makes a great sports coach? We identified 17 of the world’s best, and found some patterns

Research has identified 17 of the world’s best sports coaches – and all had at least one parent who worked in the helping professions, such as teaching or health.

theconversation.com

 

[Zach Package]

Is there a part in there about not having another bloke in the womb sucking all the knowledge up?

 

[justlookingaround]

Interesting article

What makes a great sports coach? We identified 17 of the world’s best, and found some patterns

Research has identified 17 of the world’s best sports coaches – and all had at least one parent who worked in the helping professions, such as teaching or health.

theconversation.com

IIRC the Scott brother's Dad was in the army and passed away from an asthma attack while they were young, their mum ran a post office.

 

[Agronomus]

So does anyone think Heppellfreak was someone from team Barham engaging in some CIA level psy-ops?

 

[justlookingaround]

So does anyone think Heppellfreak was someone from team Barham engaging in some CIA level psy-ops?

He was the one who was deadset we were getting Clarko, right?
I don't think he was doing anything organised, but I think he probably heard some second hard info, cos the club definitely tried to get Clarko and were arrogant enough to think they could just do that lol

 

[Vindicater]

Hopefully we see less of his favourites and more of those performing in the VFL.

 

[Bjchan13]

Hopefully we see less of his favourites and more of those performing in the VFL.

Who are his favourites?

 

[Old Campaigner]

Hopefully we see less of his favourites and more of those performing in the VFL.

Who performed in the VFL and got overlooked in favour of his favourites?

 

[Zach Package]

Who performed in the VFL and got overlooked in favour of his favourites?

I can understand how you would have blocked Lewis Hayes putting together a genuinely very good year in key defence and Scott going back to Sam Weideman from your memory.

 

[ant555]

I can understand how you would have blocked Lewis Hayes putting together a genuinely very good year in key defence and Scott going back to Sam Weideman from your memory.

Well Weideman had the better form in defense in the VFL. Played on the number 1 forwards and was better. I would have said Hayed should have got a few games late in the year to replace Laverde.

 

[Old Campaigner]

I can understand how you would have blocked Lewis Hayes putting together a genuinely very good year in key defence and Scott going back to Sam Weideman from your memory.

Wow, one whole player who might've missed out. Better sack this Scott fellow

 

[jdstorm]

Who performed in the VFL and got overlooked in favour of his favourites?

Team was better at the start when Will Setterfield was playing. Should have gotten a lot more games

 

[faible]

Team was better at the start when Will Setterfield was playing. Should have gotten a lot more games

Setterfield got injured early, by the time he got back we'd been using Durham and Caldwell in the middle much more substantially. So would have had to reduce their time there to accommodate him.

 

[joey_jo_jo]

Ive got a lot of criticisms with the way Scott handled things last season (mainly in 2nd half) but really dont think he plays favourites when it comes to selection.
I think he has a best available philosophy and doesn't use the senior team for player development, and he also puts a lot of emphasis on on-field leadership (which we have a big gap in) so it can seem like older players are getting favourable treatment.

 

[jdstorm]

Setterfield got injured early, by the time he got back we'd been using Durham and Caldwell in the middle much more substantially. So would have had to reduce their time there to accommodate him.

Why?

Teams at minimum have at minimum 4-5 main mids
Durham, Caldwell + Merrett only equals 3.

so there’s one more spot there.

Setterfields point of difference made him more valuable to the mix then Parish/hobbs/sheil.

 

[faible]

Why?

Teams at minimum have at minimum 4-5 main mids
Durham, Caldwell + Merrett only equals 3.

so there’s one more spot there.

Setterfields point of difference made him more valuable to the mix then Parish/hobbs/sheil.

That's not really how CBA setups work, you've got 3 mids taking most of the CBAs, with another 1 - 2 supporting that. Setterfield doesn't really do well outside a high CBA role.

Moving Merrett to a flank (like they've trained this off-season) opens up more of his CBAs, but Hobbs and Tsatas needs to be accommodated in there somewhere as well. It's a bit simplistic to say 'fit Setterfield in!' IMO.

 

[jdstorm]

That's not really how CBA setups work, you've got 3 mids taking most of the CBAs, with another 1 - 2 supporting that. Setterfield doesn't really do well outside a high CBA role.

Moving Merrett to a flank (like they've trained this off-season) opens up more of his CBAs, but Hobbs and Tsatas needs to be accommodated in there somewhere as well. It's a bit simplistic to say 'fit Setterfield in!' IMO.

We’re talking specifically last year where the goal wasn’t player development but rather to win games.

Players were supposed to get the minutes they could earn. Setterfield was the best bigger mid on the team and deserved one of those 4 spots.

he’s clearly a much better footballer then Kelly/hind and they played a bunch of games

 

[faible]

We’re talking specifically last year where the goal wasn’t player development but rather to win games.

Players were supposed to get the minutes they could earn. Setterfield was the best bigger mid on the team and deserved one of those 4 spots.

he’s clearly a much better footballer then Kelly/hind and they played a bunch of games

I don't think it's accurate to say the goal wasn't player development.

Perkins, Durham and Caldwell all got opportunities in the midfield, Caddy played the second half of the season, ADJ got games despite being a bit meh form-wise, Reid was clearly in the best-22 for R1 then got injured

Setterfield can't play the roles either Kelly or Hind played, so it's irrelevant whether he's 'better' than them. He also can't play KPD so being better than Weideman is similarly irrelevant.

 

[jdstorm]

I don't think it's accurate to say the goal wasn't player development.

Perkins, Durham and Caldwell all got opportunities in the midfield, Caddy played the second half of the season, ADJ got games despite being a bit meh form-wise, Reid was clearly in the best-22 for R1 then got injured

Setterfield can't play the roles either Kelly or Hind played, so it's irrelevant whether he's 'better' than them. He also can't play KPD so being better than Weideman is similarly irrelevant.

Essendon dropped Heppell and blooded Wiedman in a big game publicly saying that they were trying to win.

Scott paid lip service to having standards and making guys earn their spots. Perkins form dropped off terribly and he got dropped. Not a good example of a player holding their spot.

Caddy and ADJr same. There were opportunities there due to the team being bad

Caldwell finished the season playing injured so probably should have been out of the side, he also would have been a great candidate to play some HB due to his outside skills.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Essendon dropped Heppell and blooded Wiedman in a big game publicly saying that they were trying to win.

Complaining about this is a great way of saying you pay no attention to what's happening in the VFL. Wied was playing better than Hayes.

Paying lip service to making guys earn their spot? He made Caddy and Roberts string together a number of good games in the 2s before they got their opportunity, to me that sounds exactly like the sort of thing you're whinging about not happening

 

[bombreys]

Ive got a lot of criticisms with the way Scott handled things last season (mainly in 2nd half) but really dont think he plays favourites when it comes to selection.
I think he has a best available philosophy and doesn't use the senior team for player development, and he also puts a lot of emphasis on on-field leadership (which we have a big gap in) so it can seem like older players are getting favourable treatment.

I agree with you mostly. Rushing Guelfi back from a hamstring for a dead rubber in Round 25 was absolutely moronic. He simply has to be better than that, there's no excuses there.

The Heppell situation, whilst frustrating, was more understandable - I'd only argue that the timing of his eventual omission from the team seemed off, at least to me. I'd have either dropped him earlier (when his form suggested it was due) - or just kept him in and let him retire from the senior side. Dropping him with three or four games to go seemed an odd decision to me.

Scott's job is principally to win games, which he obviously believes the older guys will help to achieve, rightly or wrongly.

 

[bombreys]

Complaining about this is a great way of saying you pay no attention to what's happening in the VFL. Wied was playing better than Hayes.

Paying lip service to making guys earn their spot? He made Caddy and Roberts string together a number of good games in the 2s before they got their opportunity, to me that sounds exactly like the sort of thing you're whinging about not happening

I think that's a bit harsh - there wasn't a huge gap in their form, if any. I'd actually say Hayes had better long-term VFL form than Weideman did. McKay was still in the AFL side too, so Hayes really would have been a better fit than Weideman, who'd been playing FB in the VFL.

 

[faible]

I think that's a bit harsh - there wasn't a huge gap in their form, if any. I'd actually say Hayes had better long-term VFL form than Weideman did. McKay was still in the AFL side too, so Hayes really would have been a better fit than Weideman, who'd been playing FB in the VFL.

Hayes was already contracted for 2025, Weideman wasn't. That game (and the lack of interest in Laverde) ultimately confirmed the decision to delist Weideman.

 

[bombreys]

Hayes was already contracted for 2025, Weideman wasn't. That game (and the lack of interest in Laverde) ultimately confirmed the decision to delist Weideman.

Which is fine.

But to suggest he was paying "no attention to what's happening in the VFL" isn't accurate - if that game was Weid's last chance, that's fine. My point was more than he wasn't streets ahead of Hayes on VFL form. If Hayes had have played that game ahead of Weideman, that would've been perfectly reasonable.

 

[jdstorm]

Complaining about this is a great way of saying you pay no attention to what's happening in the VFL. Wied was playing better than Hayes.

Paying lip service to making guys earn their spot? He made Caddy and Roberts string together a number of good games in the 2s before they got their opportunity, to me that sounds exactly like the sort of thing you're whinging about not happening

Heppell is/was much better then Weid and dropping him for Weid made no sense.

He deserved to get dropped when Ridley returned mostly because they played the same role. But he started the season well and is a much better player than Weid. Not to mention playing Weid + McKay pushes Lav into a 3rd tall role and just gives us no players capable of moving the ball. With Kelly back there as well.

Young players not getting opportunities and having to have an extended run of form is pretty normal for Scott

I’m convinced that Scott was coaching to not get fired and expose systemic problems rather than win games. Because if he was trying to win he’s an idiot