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Is it time to call it a day on Ben Hudson and Cam Bruce?

Our midfield gets slaughtered every week. I wonder if the usual sack your coach and win a few more games would work here as well. Sack the midfield coach and watch us dominate in clearance work for the foreseeable future?
 
RU_ said:
Is it time to call it a day on Ben Hudson and Cam Bruce?

Our midfield gets slaughtered every week. I wonder if the usual sack your coach and win a few more games would work here as well. Sack the midfield coach and watch us dominate in clearance work for the foreseeable future?
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Hudson, Davis and Adcock I think should be moved on.

Time to bring in some IP from the elite clubs instead of building in house. In house doesn't innovate. They all sit around circle jerking and loving the smell of their own farts. We need fresh views from outside. Throw a dead cat on the table type move. Get our coaches actually thinking.
 
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SizeMatters said:
Hudson, Davis and Adcock I think should be moved on.

Time to bring in some IP from the elite clubs instead of building in house. In house doesn't innovate. They all sit around circle jerking and loving the smell of their own farts. We need fresh views from outside. Throw a dead cat on the table type move. Get our coaches actually thinking.
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Our forward line and backline both hold up but they both need support from the midfield which they aren’t getting, imo.
 

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Our forward line and backline both hold up but they both need support from the midfield which they aren’t getting, imo.
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I would guarantee the line coaches don't work in isolation. There would be a lot of cross over between the work they do and the strategies they implement. I honestly think we need fresh faces with new ideas from outside the Den. Headhunt a coach from the Tigers, or Demons etc.
 
SizeMatters said:
Hudson, Davis and Adcock I think should be moved on.

Time to bring in some IP from the elite clubs instead of building in house. In house doesn't innovate. They all sit around circle jerking and loving the smell of their own farts. We need fresh views from outside. Throw a dead cat on the table type move. Get our coaches actually thinking.
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A lot of very comfortable assistants in that group who through a variety fo reasons are to settled in Brisbane protecting there own backsides. I mean Davis looks like he'll be here as long as hes wife is CEO of the AFLW team, Hudson has been here to long and as for JEd, enjoy his contrbution on here but mate loved your sevrice to the club - hell 200 game player, would love my son to do that, but I just think we need new voices from top clubs like clubs attracting outher op assistants from other clubs - know its hard to lure talent to Brisbane but still.
 
SizeMatters said:
Hudson, Davis and Adcock I think should be moved on.

Time to bring in some IP from the elite clubs instead of building in house. In house doesn't innovate. They all sit around circle jerking and loving the smell of their own farts. We need fresh views from outside. Throw a dead cat on the table type move. Get our coaches actually thinking.
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What good has bringing Cam Bruce done? The midfield is our worst performing unit.
 
Is it a coaching issue or a personnel issue?

Most think our major weakness against the top sides is our midfield group >

Lachie Neale, Jarryd Lyons, Hugh McCluggage, Jarrod Berry, Zac Bailey, Dayne Zorko, Cam Rayner/Dev Robertson.

How do we compare to the best mid groups?

Demons- Clayton Oliver, Christian Petracca, Ed Langdon, Jack Viney, James Harmes, James Jordan, Tom Sparrow.
Cats- Joel Selwood, Paddy Dangerfield, Mitch Duncan, Cam Guthrie, Isaac Smith, Brandon Parfitt, Sam Menegola.
Blues- Sam Walsh, Adam Cerra, Matt Kennedy, Patrick Cripps, George Hewett, Lochie O'Brien, Matt Cottrell.
Tigers- Shane Edwards, Dion Prestia, Shai Bolton, Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Liam Baker, Kamdyn McIntosh.

We look to lack pace, particularly when/if Bailey and Zorko are not in there, we lack hard defensive run as a collective, Cam not quite fit enough to spend too much time in there. The other sides look more ruthless/mongrel... or is that just my perception?
 
M Malice said:
Is it a coaching issue or a personnel issue?

Most think our major weakness against the top sides is our midfield group >

Lachie Neale, Jarryd Lyons, Hugh McCluggage, Jarrod Berry, Zac Bailey, Dayne Zorko, Cam Rayner/Dev Robertson.

How do we compare to the best mid groups?

Demons- Clayton Oliver, Christian Petracca, Ed Langdon, Jack Viney, James Harmes, James Jordan, Tom Sparrow.
Cats- Joel Selwood, Paddy Dangerfield, Mitch Duncan, Cam Guthrie, Isaac Smith, Brandon Parfitt, Sam Menegola.
Blues- Sam Walsh, Adam Cerra, Matt Kennedy, Patrick Cripps, George Hewett, Lochie O'Brien, Matt Cottrell.
Tigers- Shane Edwards, Dion Prestia, Shai Bolton, Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Liam Baker, Kamdyn McIntosh.

We look to lack pace, particularly when/if Bailey and Zorko are not in there, we lack hard defensive run as a collective, Cam not quite fit enough to spend too much time in there. The other sides look more ruthless/mongrel... or is that just my perception?
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Let's be honest the midfield as a whole is pretty average THIS YEAR, but I'm not sure it's all comparative and we have got a bit unlucky I think for various reasons for it to be the way it is.

Zorko & Lyons (to a lesser extent Robbo) - Have definitely slowed down, and perhaps we should've identified this earlier and recruited better as a result, but I'm not sure we would've seen the drop off to this degree;

Berry - was recruited to be that inside bull that all teams are looking for now; unfortunately for us his shoulders haven't allowed for that, but you can't really help bad luck;

Cam - was always going to be a slow burn given his aerobic capacity but losing him for 12 months only pushed that back further, so again can't really help bad luck;

Bailey - I think we'd like in there a bit more but just has to much class up forward; That and i'm just not sure he's quite there yet as a bona fide midfielder;

Hugh - ideally I think we'd still like him playing on the outside recieving and delivering the ball, unfortunately though with all of the above coupled together he is now spending long stints inside and I'm just not sure that's to his strengths;

Dev - not sure what we've done with him; He's one that I believe hasn't been helped by the coaching; Gets a game but never plays in his true position even though we've been crying out for more midfielders?

All of this leaves us with Lachie; Wowee, how screwed we would've been this year if we'd pulled the trigger on a trade last year! If you were other teams right now, you'd have someone sit on him every week until any of the above either show more consistency or turn their form around (however unlikely at their age). If you take Lachie out of the game right now, like Melbourne did after quarter time last week, we really do become an easy team to play against.
 
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M Malice said:
Is it a coaching issue or a personnel issue?

Most think our major weakness against the top sides is our midfield group >

Lachie Neale, Jarryd Lyons, Hugh McCluggage, Jarrod Berry, Zac Bailey, Dayne Zorko, Cam Rayner/Dev Robertson.

How do we compare to the best mid groups?

Demons- Clayton Oliver, Christian Petracca, Ed Langdon, Jack Viney, James Harmes, James Jordan, Tom Sparrow.
Cats- Joel Selwood, Paddy Dangerfield, Mitch Duncan, Cam Guthrie, Isaac Smith, Brandon Parfitt, Sam Menegola.
Blues- Sam Walsh, Adam Cerra, Matt Kennedy, Patrick Cripps, George Hewett, Lochie O'Brien, Matt Cottrell.
Tigers- Shane Edwards, Dion Prestia, Shai Bolton, Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Liam Baker, Kamdyn McIntosh.

We look to lack pace, particularly when/if Bailey and Zorko are not in there, we lack hard defensive run as a collective, Cam not quite fit enough to spend too much time in there. The other sides look more ruthless/mongrel... or is that just my perception?
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Have a listen to the Footyology Podcast. Ours is the first game they review. Went town with some home truths about our midfield.
 
briztoon said:
Have a listen to the Footyology Podcast. Ours is the first game they review. Went town with some home truths about our midfield.
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Just listened to this and surprised you enjoyed it. All they said was that we weren’t “tough enough” and that we hadn’t won at the MCG since 2014. Extremely surface level and didn’t really offer any “home truths“ at all. Just talked about how more players needed to be tough like Mitch Robinson.
 

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BRAB said:
Just listened to this and surprised you enjoyed it. All they said was that we weren’t “tough enough” and that we hadn’t won at the MCG since 2014. Extremely surface level and didn’t really offer any “home truths“ at all. Just talked about how more players needed to be tough like Mitch Robinson.
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I went and had a listen too, not what you would call an in depth dive into our problems.... dare I say fake easy to regurgitate opinion disguised as investigative journalism.:rolleyes:
 
M Malice said:
I went and had a listen too, not what you would call an in depth dive into our problems.... dare I say fake easy to regurgitate opinion disguised as investigative journalism.:rolleyes:
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Interesting though that this is the narrative that the media and other clubs are now going to run with.

So we need to do the opposite on the field a few times to turn that around.
 
BRAB said:
Just listened to this and surprised you enjoyed it. All they said was that we weren’t “tough enough” and that we hadn’t won at the MCG since 2014. Extremely surface level and didn’t really offer any “home truths“ at all. Just talked about how more players needed to be tough like Mitch Robinson.
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Not sure how anyone could have FROhan Connolly as a good tactical analyst. I enjoy listening to him rant about Essendon/swearing at randos on twitter though.
 
Tom14 said:
Not sure how anyone could have FROhan Connolly as a good tactical analyst. I enjoy listening to him rant about Essendon/swearing at randos on twitter though.
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I listened to it a couple of times last year and it was an hour or so of drivel treating the last gun player or team as demigods and painting the crap ones as lacking ,culture , hardness ,spirit , all the other cliches they trot out.

They don't seem to know much re in the intricacies of the modern game.
 
Cam Bruce on The Roar Deal today >

1- The Demons bought a Grand Final level of intensity to the game, speaking to Melbourne people after the game that was the best they had played all year and was up there with their GF performance.
2- We weren't ready for that level of intensity around the contest.
3- We want a stable midfield, not panic and ring wholesale changes. Rhys needs to improve and be a 2-3 phase player.
4- Will Ashcroft has sat down with Lachie Neale in coaching sessions.
5- Person furtherest away from a contest re defensive run can back his team mates to win the contest/chase and take advantage on turnover if it happens.... and vice versa re attacking run.
 
M Malice said:
Cam Bruce on The Roar Deal today >

1- The Demons bought a Grand Final level of intensity to the game, speaking to Melbourne people after the game that was the best they had played all year and was up there with their GF performance.
2- We weren't ready for that level of intensity around the contest.
3- We want a stable midfield, not panic and ring wholesale changes. Rhys needs to improve and be a 2-3 phase player.
4- Will Ashcroft has sat down with Lachie Neale in coaching sessions.
5- Person furtherest away from a contest re defensive run can back his team mates to win the contest/chase and take advantage on turnover if it happens.... and vice versa re attacking run.
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That’s really poor from us.

Last year when we played them during the season, we brought a grand final level of intensity during the first half.

You could see that by the reactions of the Melbourne players during the first quarter. I distinctly remember Petracca giving a wtf, why so hard? reaction after one contest.

How did Melbourne respond, they stepped up in the second half and stomped us.


This year, they came ready, and we didn’t, and nor could we step it up when challenged. Instead we panicked and went to pieces.
 
briztoon said:
That’s really poor from us.

Last year when we played them during the season, we brought a grand final level of intensity during the first half.

You could see that by the reactions of the Melbourne players during the first quarter. I distinctly remember Petracca giving a wtf, why so hard? reaction after one contest.

How did Melbourne respond, they stepped up in the second half and stomped us.


This year, they came ready, and we didn’t, and nor could we step it up when challenged. Instead we panicked and went to pieces.
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Yer I was surprised by that statement as well.
 
briztoon said:
That’s really poor from us.

Last year when we played them during the season, we brought a grand final level of intensity during the first half.

You could see that by the reactions of the Melbourne players during the first quarter. I distinctly remember Petracca giving a wtf, why so hard? reaction after one contest.

How did Melbourne respond, they stepped up in the second half and stomped us.


This year, they came ready, and we didn’t, and nor could we step it up when challenged. Instead we panicked and went to pieces.
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I don't understand at all how we seemed surprised by the intensity Melbourne brought in the 2nd Quarter.

Secretly I'm hoping we laid down and are going to unleash a secret weapon in the finals.
 
martinson said:
I don't understand at all how we seemed surprised by the intensity Melbourne brought in the 2nd Quarter.

Secretly I'm hoping we laid down and are going to unleash a secret weapon in the finals.
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You know what happened the last time we went looking for weapons of mass distraction? There weren't any.:(
 
martinson said:
I don't understand at all how we seemed surprised by the intensity Melbourne brought in the 2nd Quarter.

Secretly I'm hoping we laid down and are going to unleash a secret weapon in the finals.
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I don’t think we laid down but I’m also not convinced that you want to show all your cards at the middish point in the season either. Not to say I suspect any kind of secret weapon
 

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