Recommitted Mitch Georgiades - Signs on for another 4 years

[danster168]

He kicked 1.4 (might have even been 1.5) against the under 18s when we fielded possibly the worst SANFL midfield we have in our history. We're 0:3 this year after going 5:13 last year. Our SANFL midfield yesterday consisted of Trent Dumont, Jackson Mead, Hugh Jackson (pick 55 2nd year player), and Josh Sinn playing his 3rd competitive game in about 3 years. Did you watch much of the u18s game? They creamed us in the middle, it was only the bigger bodied KPPs who avoided an embarrassing result. Georgiades has exactly 1 problem, he's kicking at 22% goal accuracy. I'm pretty sure that actually flatters him as there would be 1 or 2 shots from 45m out that he shanked and didn't make the distance. The only difference between year 1-2 and year 3-4 Georgiades is he's inexplicably gone from one of the better set shots going around to almost the worst in the competition. It's literally the only reason he's spent any time in the SANFL, Hinkley has said as much numerous times. This is a problem that plenty of players have gone through and got through it. You fix it, he's a star again.

It's weird that you keep on pressing this. If Pickett goes, its 50/50 between Port/one of the WA clubs and we'll tie the two trades. A first rounded in the same draft, who is a KPF, a position known to take longer to develop and harder to find in the draft going for peanuts. I am sure that'll pump up your trade for Pickett.

i'm not saying he's worth nothing. Just not a first rounder or an early 2nd rounder.
But bad kicking is bad football. Sure if he fixes it and produces consistently at afl level kicking regular goals then sure, he would be worth a lot more. Also, can you comment on my Duursma point. You would've wanted a first rounder on him too and a club would've kissed away a first round pick for a guy that's just an average afl player.

Just because MG plays as an undersized key forward, a rare position, doesn't mean all of a sudden that he has high trade value and the fact that he's a fringe player gets disregarded. John Butcher was also a key forward with kicking yips. Did clubs circle around him because he was an early pick, young and a key forward? No. it means nothing. Form and producing means everything.

 

[scoops]

Confirmed ACL for the poor kid so will miss a fair bit of footy

 

[fnerd]

Yep terrible news for the kid , especially considering the struggles he’s had with form plus port not playing him over so called attitude issues etc

Reckon he definitely comes home now probably for a token 4th
Port need to do the right thing by him

 

[Traveling_Power]

after his ACL he stays and signs a new contract for another 3 years

 

[ABAB]

after his ACL he stays and signs a new contract for another 3 years

Depend if other clubs offer him slightly more than you guys. I think financial security will be an even more important factor in his decision now, that's the risk players take when they decide to hold off on contract talks and get a very serious injury. He will get a lesser money offer from Port Power and a lesser trade value from other clubs if he decide to leave.

 

[Traveling_Power]

Depend if other clubs offer him slightly more than you guys. I think financial security will be an even more important factor in his decision now, that's the risk players take when they decide to hold off on contract talks and get a very serious injury. He will get a lesser money offer from Port Power and a lesser trade value from other clubs if he decide to leave.

Financial security will be there, but the Rehab will be just as important. He won't want to leave while he is doing his Rehab, hence it will be a short contract to get himself right before going for longer contract and the big $$$$

 

[ABAB]

Financial security will be there, but the Rehab will be just as important. He won't want to leave while he is doing his Rehab, hence it will be a short contract to get himself right before going for longer contract and the big $$$$

You think 3 years is a "short" contract lol.

 

[Traveling_Power]

You think 3 years is a "short" contract lol.

because of his injury and the rehab - in this case yes

 

[RanaNaved]

My god west coast fans are petty.


For those at home the west coast players we’ve “poached” ie traded for are rioli and ebert.


Big ******* whoopdy do.


Anyone would think you guys lost prime buddy Franklin or something the way you carry on

Agree with this tbh. Rioli is an older, inconsistent, down hill skier and Ebert was a whipping boy at WC.

 

[CountryLad]

Agree with this tbh. Rioli is an older, inconsistent, down hill skier and Ebert was a whipping boy at WC.

Shhhh…..Don’t tell them the truth

 

[Footy Smarts]

It's been a rough month or 2 for him I hope Geelong ask his manager if he's looking for a fresh start. We were very keen on him at the draft and he clearly has a lot of talent. I think the gamble is worth a future 2nd and I can't see Port forcing him to the PSD after they drop him and he does an ACL.

 

[JasRulz63]

If his recovery goes to plan, he could be back playing (at least at reserve level) at the start of next year. I think Hipwood came back after 10 months for us and played at AFL level.

 

[kuhni]

He kicked 1.4 (might have even been 1.5) against the under 18s when we fielded possibly the worst SANFL midfield we have in our history. We're 0:3 this year after going 5:13 last year. Our SANFL midfield yesterday consisted of Trent Dumont, Jackson Mead, Hugh Jackson (pick 55 2nd year player), and Josh Sinn playing his 3rd competitive game in about 3 years. Did you watch much of the u18s game? They creamed us in the middle, it was only the bigger bodied KPPs who avoided an embarrassing result. Georgiades has exactly 1 problem, he's kicking at 22% goal accuracy. I'm pretty sure that actually flatters him as there would be 1 or 2 shots from 45m out that he shanked and didn't make the distance. The only difference between year 1-2 and year 3-4 Georgiades is he's inexplicably gone from one of the better set shots going around to almost the worst in the competition. It's literally the only reason he's spent any time in the SANFL, Hinkley has said as much numerous times. This is a problem that plenty of players have gone through and got through it. You fix it, he's a star again.

It's weird that you keep on pressing this. If Pickett goes, its 50/50 between Port/one of the WA clubs and we'll tie the two trades. A first rounded in the same draft, who is a KPF, a position known to take longer to develop and harder to find in the draft going for peanuts. I am sure that'll pump up your trade for Pickett.

All we have to do is fix his goalkicking...

You're really selling his undersized Casboult/Butcher/Frampton potential...

 

[PrisonBars4life]

All we have to do is fix his goalkicking...

You're really selling his undersized Casboult/Butcher/Frampton potential...

So you don't want him. Good to know. I was starting to get the vibe that people were negging him like a 15 year old schoolgirl. Thanks for clearing things up.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

i'm not saying he's worth nothing. Just not a first rounder or an early 2nd rounder.
But bad kicking is bad football. Sure if he fixes it and produces consistently at afl level kicking regular goals then sure, he would be worth a lot more. Also, can you comment on my Duursma point. You would've wanted a first rounder on him too and a club would've kissed away a first round pick for a guy that's just an average afl player.

Just because MG plays as an undersized key forward, a rare position, doesn't mean all of a sudden that he has high trade value and the fact that he's a fringe player gets disregarded. John Butcher was also a key forward with kicking yips. Did clubs circle around him because he was an early pick, young and a key forward? No. it means nothing. Form and producing means everything.

Carlton was absolutely gagging for Butcher at a similar age to Georgiades. We had to give him a 4 year contract after 4-6 games to keep him at the club. The simple fact of the matter is players like Billy Frampton stay in the system because KPPs are almost impossible to find. Fremantle have had 1 in their entire club's history and have pissed picks up against the wall trying to find one. If he was a 100% guaranteed star of the competition he's almost priceless. Jeremy Cameron cost 3 first rounders at 28. 22 year old Jeremey Cameron can't even be valued because noone has what he's worth. Whether you think he's a good, average, or okay KPF, at his age he's worth 15-25. Anyone who thinks he isn't AFL standard isn't worth arguing with and club's wouldn't be trading for him. 22 year old AFL standard players don't get thrown away. CCJ with 6 games to his name went to North for a headline pick of 19 and third/4th rounders being exchanged. We paid a 2nd and third for Fantasia, we paid a 2nd for rioli. Both had serious injury concerns and hadn't played good football in years, but importantly had been guns at one point. The idea that Georgiades, who at minimum is an AFL std KPF, is getting thrown away for scraps is nonsensical.

As for Duursma, he's a year older, doesn't play a hard to find position and isn't tracking above average in almost every stat, so I don't see how his value is relevant.

As for Georgiades ACL, how many players have been traded mid ACL? If club's think he's a risk of never being a good player again, by all means tell Mitch that in your sales pitch. I am sure that will be a winner when we're trying to offer 3-4 year deals and getting in his ear about how much we rate him. Hmm alot of above average in key indicators. Almost like what I said (fix his goal kicking which a shit ton of gun forwards had early in their career and he's a star) is true.

 

[danster168]

Carlton was absolutely gagging for Butcher at a similar age to Georgiades. We had to give him a 4 year contract after 4-6 games to keep him at the club. The simple fact of the matter is players like Billy Frampton stay in the system because KPPs are almost impossible to find. Fremantle have had 1 in their entire club's history and have pissed picks up against the wall trying to find one. If he was a 100% guaranteed star of the competition he's almost priceless. Jeremy Cameron cost 3 first rounders at 28. 22 year old Jeremey Cameron can't even be valued because noone has what he's worth. Whether you think he's a good, average, or okay KPF, at his age he's worth 15-25. Anyone who thinks he isn't AFL standard isn't worth arguing with and club's wouldn't be trading for him. 22 year old AFL standard players don't get thrown away. CCJ with 6 games to his name went to North for a headline pick of 19 and third/4th rounders being exchanged. We paid a 2nd and third for Fantasia, we paid a 2nd for rioli. Both had serious injury concerns and hadn't played good football in years, but importantly had been guns at one point. The idea that Georgiades, who at minimum is an AFL std KPF, is getting thrown away for scraps is nonsensical.

As for Duursma, he's a year older, doesn't play a hard to find position and isn't tracking above average in almost every stat, so I don't see how his value is relevant.

As for Georgiades ACL, how many players have been traded mid ACL? If club's think he's a risk of never being a good player again, by all means tell Mitch that in your sales pitch. I am sure that will be a winner when we're trying to offer 3-4 year deals and getting in his ear about how much we rate him. Hmm alot of above average in key indicators. Almost like what I said (fix his goal kicking which a s**t ton of gun forwards had early in their career and he's a star) is true.

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I appreciate the well thought out reply. I do agree that good key forwards are harder to find than midfielders but I do think it's a little bit overstated. Forward pockets are much harder to find for instance. Let's look at the 2017 draft. There was Naughton, Fogarty, Coleman Jones, Oscar Allen, Tom De Koning, Petty, Mihocek, Amartey and Sam Reid. That's 9. And that's not including a few key backs that could've been groomed into key forwards. This is abnormally high I do admit. I would say the average is about 4-5.

Regarding Duursma, it's very relevant. Both played for the same club, both had a great start to their career and both stagnated and even went backwards. Both players you would've demanded a first round pick for. If a club handed over a first rounder for Duursma that would've been a big mistake.

I do think that you put too much weight on past performances. And not enough on current performances. I'm only using my own club as an example as I know them the most. Who has more trade value, Van Rooyen (VR) or Georgiades? I can assure you that VR does simply because he is playing great football right now. And that's only been a few games. But it's current and holds more weight than performances in the past. Harry Petty who is rated internally at least very highly the last 12-18 months is a young key defender/key forward. He's worth a late first rounder in demons fans eyes, but mostly because dees fans watch him closer than most. However his form has been poor this season by his standards. If he was to get dropped 3 times this season, and then not be in the best 22 for the first 6 rounds of the 2024 season then his trade value would be greatly diminished.

Let's look at Luke Jackson, he's been playing like trash for the first 6 weeks of the season. His trade value has already diminished significantly since when he got traded from Melbourne. So yeah, if we're having this conversation about Mitch Georgiades at the end of 2021 then yeah, he's easily worth a first round pick, probably more, but since then his form has been patchy. Clubs would definitely take a chance on him but if Port can't develop him to be a best 22 player then there's obviously risk there.

At the end of 2018, Sam Weideman, a top 10 pick, was looking like one of the best young key forwards in the comp after having 20 touches and 3 goals in a final. Since then, he went nowhere and played mostly at the vfl since then. He played a lot of vfl and eventually got traded to Essendon alongside pick 54 for pick 37. So just a pick upgrade. The currency of the trade shows that no-one cared what he did back in 2018. But acknowledge that there is some talent there somewhere.

I'll give you another. Peter Wright, pick 8. He got traded for a future 4th round pick when he left Gold Coast. He was only like 23. He had also had multiple seasons averaging 1.4-1.7 goals per game.

Georgiades is simply not worth 15-25 in this draft. This draft is considered super strong. But the good news is that all Mitch Georgiades needs to do is string together some good performances and his trade value would rocket up again quickly. Sadly his tragic injury news is an extra challenge to this.

 

[Obeanie1]

The idea of the PSD threat is a myth. Clubs don't really do that anymore. At the least, it's extremely rare.

Also, Port don't have the bargaining power to do it. You can't not play a guy for the first 6 rounds of the season and then choose Ollie Lord over him only to restrict his trade request. That would be poor form. Especially if the guy is battling a serious injury.

A trade will get done and i'd say it'll be in the 28-35 range.

The Swans dont agree.

And unless Freo cough up it wont be a 2nd rounder. Maybe if he was fit and playing but now any team making the investment wont see a return until 2025 if not 2026.

If an ex pick 5 in SPS at 23 years of age with mixed form and minor injury niggles only cost a 3rd rounder why would anyone pay more? The market has been set.

Edit: As menti9ned Weideman an even better example. Two Meter Peter Wright another. Both were taken prior to Georgiades and showed similar potential. Neither were injured when traded.

 

[Obeanie1]

My god west coast fans are petty.


For those at home the west coast players we’ve “poached” ie traded for are rioli and ebert.


Big ******* whoopdy do.


Anyone would think you guys lost prime buddy Franklin or something the way you carry on

Lycett as well makes three semi recently.

So how's about one comes back the other way?

Fair?

And returning Lycett doesnt count, he was a decent ruck before heading to Port.

 

[Mostyn]

He won't and we didn't. We paid picks 43, 53, 57 ontop of the 2xfirsts which is a points value of 24 PLUS we upgraded (based on last year) collingwood's and Freo's pick. North got 3,40,43, and F1 for the JHF trade. They picked the same guy at 2 as they were going to at 1, so whether the excess value is the trade for 1 or for JHF is immaterial, they gave up nothing and they don't get the extra picks without trading JHF. WC get a points value of 21 from our future picks for rioli assuming we finish 6th. They then get 8 and 12 for pick 2.

It's pretty interesting to hear we robbed 2 clubs when Rioli's averaging less than a goal a game and JHF has been getting potted from all sections of the media. Robbing a club is offering pick 40 for a 2nd year 1st round pick, like the Crows did for Hately. GWS refused to take it knowing the Crows had pick 1 in the PSD. It was sending a message that they weren't happy. Georgiades could be running around with no legs and he'd be worth more than Rioli. The idea that Hawthorn wouldn't nick Goergiades in the PSD is laughable.

Long post.

Those three late picks are just garbage. Nothing is sadder than people trying to argue that points value is relevant.

Facts are you have up a middling first in 2022 and 2023 for Rioli and JHF.

Other than that, you sent out a 2nd and 3rd and got a 2nd and 3rd back, so a complete wash.

Facts are, you should be thanking God that GWS stepped in to save that trade by massively over contributing when you couldn't afford to.

 

[Mostyn]

Ollie Lord kicked 4 goals last week, has been an emergency last year and probably should have already debuted.

Wasn't Ollie Lord averaging less than a goal a game?

When has Ollie Lord kicked four goals? He's only kicked two for this whole SANFL season, as far as I can see.

 

[Mostyn]

It's weird that you keep on pressing this. If Pickett goes, its 50/50 between Port/one of the WA clubs and we'll tie the two trades. A first rounded in the same draft, who is a KPF, a position known to take longer to develop and harder to find in the draft going for peanuts. I am sure that'll pump up your trade for Pickett.

This is a hilariously odd point to try and make.

Pickett is a star. Giorgiades is a reserves footballer. There's no comparing them. It's like if Brad Pitt and I both turned up on Bumble.

 

[ABAB]

Long post.

Those three late picks are just garbage. Nothing is sadder than people trying to argue that points value is relevant.

Facts are you have up a middling first in 2022 and 2023 for Rioli and JHF.

Other than that, you sent out a 2nd and 3rd and got a 2nd and 3rd back, so a complete wash.

Facts are, you should be thanking God that GWS stepped in to save that trade by massively over contributing when you couldn't afford to.

And also West Coast, Port Power got very lucky with that trade.

 

[philthy05]

Lycett as well makes three semi recently.

So how's about one comes back the other way?

Fair?

And returning Lycett doesnt count, he was a decent ruck before heading to Port.

Lycett was a free agent..


And my god you guys got pick 19 for him lol.


You should be thanking port profusely for that.

 

[Obeanie1]

Lycett was a free agent..


And my god you guys got pick 19 for him lol.


You should be thanking port profusely for that.

Point? Port got a best 22 player for no draft cost.

Thats 3 - 0 Ports way in player movement

So. Fair for someone to head back the other way.

Noticed alot of Port fans are very unreasonable when it comes to trade discussions. Its one thing for hoping for the best result but sprinkling a bit of common sense and reality would be nice for a change.

At least the expectation of a top 10 pick or a 1st rounder has dropped off.

 

[philthy05]

Point? Port got a best 22 player for no draft cost.

Thats 3 - 0 Ports way in player movement

So. Fair for someone to head back the other way.

Noticed alot of Port fans are very unreasonable when it comes to trade discussions. Its one thing for hoping for the best result but sprinkling a bit of common sense and reality would be nice for a change.

At least the expectation of a top 10 pick or a 1st rounder has dropped off.

West coast fans acting like they’re hard done by port cause they’ve lost a few players they’ve hardly missed.