Mitch McGovern 2: As The Worm Turns (read the OP)

[Kane McGoodwin]

That why I reckon the 5 way for 2 and 3 would be good for the Crows. and is believable

It's not really believable from Gold Coast's pov...

 

[VictorianCrow85]

Michael Barlow (del)
Josh Jaska (del)
Michael Rischitelli (del)
Matt Rosa (ret)
Max Spencer (del)
Mackenzie Willis (del)

Add to this Lynch, Scrimshaw and potentially May, Martin and Hall.

I thought Rischitelli for one would be offered a rookie spot.

Rischitelli is going to be given a rookie spot.

 

[1990crow]

Rischitelli is going to be given a rookie spot.

Still adds to the main list spot openings.

 

[arsene wenger1]

Far out, Carlton banned me for 24hrs for saying SOS has been smelling dylan shiels crack

Worth it

How can you be banned for stating a fact?

 

[Ravenjo]

Just a thought, but could the kicker in this speculated pick swap be that Ogilvie will help GCS in picking the right talent with all their picks?

 

[Crouch#44]

How can you be banned for stating a fact?

Tell me about it, the media basically stated the same thing (different words)

 

[spenze]

Just a thought, but could the kicker in this speculated pick swap be that Ogilvie will help GCS in picking the right talent with all their picks?

I used that joke a couple of days ago.

In saying that, we should start selling that as an option, we could use a lesser pick or player and boost it with "The Hamish Touch"

 

[Miss Vanessa]

Delisted or retired - Barlow, Jaska, Rishitelli, Rosa, Spencer, Willis, then you have the follow group who may or have requested trades, Lynch, May, Scrimshaw, Hall, Maybe Martin, Brodie

That makes up to 12.

Jaska, Spencer and Willis are all rookies. Plus, Hoskin-Elliot, several fringe Richmond players, Hombsch and a couple of other fringe players at other clubs have all been linked to GC. It seems unlikely they will need more than 5-6 live picks... and they already have plenty of other lower picks to bring in others rejects.

 

[NTRabbit]

There's a chance Gold Coast might trade for a few future picks to spread things out a little, but I don't see them trading 2 or 3 for picks in this draaft without players being involved.

 

[tinman]

At my count they will have 8-10.

I think them trading 2 & 3 is highly unlikely, the only thing, and this is my wishful thinking I reckon, is that they may want to bring in some mature fringe players from other clubs. And maybe the later draft picks help GC with that?

It's drawing a long bow though....

 

[1990crow]

I think them trading 2 & 3 is highly unlikely, the only thing, and this is my wishful thinking I reckon, is that they may want to bring in some mature fringe players from other clubs. And maybe the later draft picks help GC with that?

It's drawing a long bow though....

If they have picks 5 (May), 8 (us), 16 (us), 17 (WC).. that leaves them with picks 20, 27, 29 and couple of 30s to trade for fringe or better talent.

 

[LordLucifer]

Far out, Carlton banned me for 24hrs for saying SOS has been smelling dylan shiels crack

Worth it

At least it was only 24-hrs, I've been given the heave permanently.

 

[Jarman3]

If they have picks 5 (May), 8 (us), 16 (us), 17 (WC).. that leaves them with picks 20, 27, 29 and couple of 30s to trade for fringe or better talent.

Hell, that would get them Mitch McGovern if the Carlton flogs are to be believed.

 

[Sanders]

If Sheil nominates Carlton then GWS trade out Setterfield and Sheil plus pick 13 for pick 1. Pick 13 plus McAdam for Gov (Thats if we have a hard on for McAdam).

If however we accept a late second for Gov and McAdam Reid needs to be sacked along with Roo, Chapman, Fagan, Haas, Burton, Pyke and even that annoying chick who hangs around the fax machine.

In a scenario like that I could maybe accept: 13, 24 & McAdam. Maybe

 

[Sanders]

You need to just wait until the trade period is done and dusted and judge them over all based on what we end up with. No point going off half cocked before you know the big picture. No doubt Reid Hamish et al do know.

no. You don’t.

And I say that as someone who has negotiated more and bigger deals than these bits of fluff

 

[Sanders]

I also think Shiel is gonna choose Hawthorn. Choco is no fool and he’s going to be giving his prospective son in law good advice

Do you think an old experienced head is gonna say go to Carlton over Hawthorn?

Can’t see it

 

[Sanders]

I'm pretty sure Blight had a hard on for Ken. Can't recall the source though, and can't fathom why.

Nah not true.

Back in those days Blighty was paying no attention to SANFL and juniors

 

[FR0GGY]

I also think Shiel is gonna choose Hawthorn. Choco is no fool and he’s going to be giving his prospective son in law good advice

Do you think an old experienced head is gonna say go to Carlton over Hawthorn?

Can’t see it

But what $ would hawthorn be offering compared to saints or blues?

 

[Sanders]

But what $ would hawthorn be offering compared to saints or blues?

Less, just like they have with all their other recruits

 

[ad victoriam]

Jaska, Spencer and Willis are all rookies. Plus, Hoskin-Elliot, several fringe Richmond players, Hombsch and a couple of other fringe players at other clubs have all been linked to GC. It seems unlikely they will need more than 5-6 live picks... and they already have plenty of other lower picks to bring in others rejects.

As it stands today they have a main list is 35 with 4 rookies
with Lynch, May, Scrimshaw, Martin, Hall and Possibly Brodie requesting trades.
If all those players leave then their main list will 29 plus 4 rookies.
3 mature ages plus 2 in's still leaves them with a main list of 34. 6 spots to fill with draft picks.

 

[jirkago]

Jesus that was an epic long catch up, only to find nothing has happened, just another cycle of the same shyte.

3 things.

The Gov deal could only be done if we are getting pick 1 as a straight swap. So obviously it’s not done in any way shape or form.

State league players have almost no trade value at all. This is in response to a Carlton fan asking.

Lastly, if we can get Burton from Hawthorn for pick 15, we should do it if we are confident of his knee. Will be a gun swing man if his knee holds up. Would be a handy get since we might be losing one.

Not Burton, he is talented and skillfull but we don’t need him. We need pacey mids or talls. If it was pick 37, ok but not 15.


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[FR0GGY]

Less, just like they have with all their other recruits

But Shiel has been offered insane amounts, not sure any of their other recruits were offered such differences.

 

[Crows I Am]

Yeah, its a good point you make. It just also highlights to me that a lot of the hypothetical trades don't make any sense. For one, I would be surprised if we went for both Stengle and McAdam and it looks like we are committed to Stengle since it was mentioned on afc.com.au. For me, working through those 6 available spots, I would expect us to let Signarello go and re-sign one of, if not both, Otten and Cheney. Potentially, we could re-rookie one of them. That leaves 4 or 5 spots, with current useful picks of 8, 16, 20 and 40. I dont think Stengle costs us 40 given he is an out of contract rookie and assuming we pick up Smith as an out of contract player for a late pick that leaves 2 or 3 spots with 8, 16, 20 and 40.

So for the people suggesting that we might accept Carlton's two seconds, it just doesn't add up. We would have a maximum of 4 spots on our list and so one of those picks would not even be used. If we did re-sign both Cheney and Otten, which is highly likely imo, neither of Carlton's seconds would even be used.

It goes back to whose responsibility it would be to turn those 2nd rounders into a pick that we would want, and it simply has to be Carlton.

If we did accept 2 x 2nd round picks from Carlton you are right we wouldn't use them, we would bundle them up and exchange them for a pick in the teens. Feel like our picks will change a few times throughout this trade period.

 

[Shaz2012]

If we did accept 2 x 2nd round picks from Carlton you are right we wouldn't use them, we would bundle them up and exchange them for a pick in the teens. Feel like our picks will change a few times throughout this trade period.

Easier said than done. If it’s so easy to do, let Carlton bundle them and come back to us when it’s done.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

But what $ would hawthorn be offering compared to saints or blues?

Significantly less you would think.

Shiel may be tempted for the middle ground with the Saints as with Hannas also joining they should move up the ladder & much bigger $'s on offer.

Can't see him picking Carton if he values success.