Mitch McGovern 2: As The Worm Turns (read the OP)

[GROTTO]

There were other issues. Relationship with the coach for one!

FFS, Pyke doesnt strike me as the kind of bloke that could easily piss of a player.

I mean hell we have players like Mackay and Douglas running around in our starting 18.

 

[Flip Side]

It just occurred to me, is there anything really stopping any player from getting a big 5 year contract and getting paid massively upfront and then leaving the Club in the last two years?

Worst case scenario is they sit out a year and become a deregistered FA after the year out?

That is virtually what Gibbs did and why Blues wouldn’t release him the first year.

Behind all the posturing they just weren’t prepared to let their prepaid asset walk out the door when he was on role player wages.
Nothing but a complete oversell could give them they same vfm return

 

[mistylake]

See my post above, you're so far off the mark it's laughable.

We’ll see. I hope I am, he’s not shown much at AFL level yet and he is 24.

 

[GROTTO]

What I find amusing, and don't get me wrong, I think McAdam has up side to burn. is the change in opinion. 2 days ago all the Blues supporters were saying he is around 20, plenty on this board were calling BS around 40-60. Now the deal is done, and under the change that the Blues were saying 1 2nd pick and McAdam and we got 2 into 13. general word is coming out on this board he is 15-20 and all the Blues supporters are calling BS he is 40-60. I guess it's just perspective...lol

Anyway, happy to give the bloke a run and hope he turns into the next Cyril. Time will tell. But the Blues Supporters I know are crying salty salty tears and I'm McLovin it!

Will be hilarious if they gave us again a better younger faster and stronger version of Betts. lol.

 

[Stiffy_18]

FFS, Pyke doesnt strike me as the kind of bloke that could easily piss of a player.

I mean hell we have players like Mackay and Douglas running around in our starting 18.

Pykey is a hard bastard, a ball breaker behind the scenes. Gov hasn’t been getting along with Pyke for a while.

 

[GROTTO]

That is virtually what Gibbs did and why Blues wouldn’t release him the first year.

Behind all the posturing they just weren’t prepared to let their prepaid asset walk out the door when he was on role player wages.
Nothing but a complete oversell could give them they same vfm return

Massive difference though is that apparently there were extenuating personal circumstances.

We have helped players in similar situations. Carlton were f**kwits with us back in 2016 about him.

 

[MRB37]

Pykey is a hard bastard, a ball breaker behind the scenes. Gov hasn’t been getting along with Pyke for a while.

I have no real issue with this as long as there is a level of respect and openess about it. Coach isn't there to be friends with the players *cough*Campo*cough*

 

[MRB37]

Clubs can say no if they’re contracted, I think the Dogs did recently.

They've done it multiple times with Marcus Adams. He'll be hoping 3rd time is the charm.

 

[Pea Nut]

I don’t care what mcadams rating is. We’ll never know. If he performs like Liam Ryan - yee hah

But I can’t get past the comment in the wa press back in 2015 that called him a “chance to get drafted” now this was after his good combine showing and pre injury. So presumably him at his best

How does a fit and healthy young bloke go from chance to be drafted to 3 years later being 10-15 (per Reid) on a handful of SANFL games?

Doesn’t make sense. If we’re backing his attributes and talent, he had those same ones when he was an outside shot at being picked up

It's examples like these that Paul Roos and co use to push their claims that the draft age needs to be lifted, and that players simply aren't ready to enter an elite sporting environment at the age of 18. The counter to that argument is players like Fogarty, O'Meara etc.

 

[mistylake]

There were other issues. Relationship with the coach for one!

Should get on like a house on fire with Bolton then LOL

 

[Sanders]

It's examples like these that Paul Roos and co use to push their claims that the draft age needs to be lifted, and that players simply aren't ready to enter an elite sporting environment at the age of 18. The counter to that argument is players like Fogarty, O'Meara etc.

Ok sure, but what’s he actually done since to make the argument?

 

[BrissyCrow]

I have to say that on the surface I am disappointed with the trade. Most on here were looking for a pick of around 5-7 (with some exchanges of other picks). We didnt get anywhere near that. Pick 13 appears to be about the mark and maybe the McAdam was acceptable but then for us to hand over 2019 3rd rounder for Carltons 2019 5th rounder made the deal start to taste a little sour. Then to give up pick 40 just made the deal taste like a shit sandwich. Thats how I feel.

But then I was reading on here (so it maybe all bullshit) that:
(1) The club wanted to get rid of Gov. Why?? Well some alluded to the idea that the Gov was the one feeding the bad news to the media. Some said that Gov wasn't fully invested in the club and hence wasnt really fit which may have contributed to his inconsistency. Some hinted that there was an issue between Gov and Pyke
(2) Sydney wanted more and without it the deal for 13 wouldn't be done. So we coughed up pick 40.
(3) The club just had to get that pick around 10ish to help climb the picking order without having to couph up pick 8.

So perhaps these three issues meant the club's hand was forced and to resolve them the club thought the trade was worth it. Just believing that these three issues helped force the club to pay extra makes the deal more palatable. I listen to Reid on the web site and he isn't a stupid man. He comes across as though he knows his stuff and lets face it none of know what really goes on behind the scenes and what truly motivates the club when it comes to recruiting. (We saw that with Doedee) But the real proof will come when trading for picks become the focus and if we do end up climbing the order then that will pacify me especially if we get one of the prized SA picks and possibly a second with our pick 8.

 

[Pea Nut]

Ok sure, but what’s he actually done since to make the argument?

No, nothing. It's now based upon what he delivers next year. And hopefully he delivers now that he is a Crow. But they would bring up the names Fritsch, Kelly, Ryan and co for what they delivered this year. There is merit for both sides of this argument and is very much based around individuals and their maturity levels.

 

[BrissyCrow]

We made him likely one of the highest paid young players we've ever had on our list because we wanted him gone?

We made him one of the highest paid young player we've ever had and after that something else happened and then we wanted him gone.

 

[mattymac]

Pykey is a hard bastard, a ball breaker behind the scenes. Gov hasn’t been getting along with Pyke for a while.

Ironic considering Pyke came in and kick started Gov's career gifting him games he hadn't earned to fast track him. Almost like WA nepotism at the time.

Ingrate.

 

[Magma]

just want my damn pick 40 back

 

[Donkey Magoo]

There were other issues. Relationship with the coach for one!

I have a little (unproven)theory that there was a little schism developing between the old guard (Tex, Sloane, Talia, Lynch) who see themselves as club first guys that are the leaders and stars (they are) and the McGovs (lever) thought that they should have had more stature. Gibbs friction May have not been about money but pecking order.
Kinda millennials wanting to be CEOs from day 1 with no hard yards.

If true, you don’t need that in your list, it’ll poison the well

 

[Sanders]

No, nothing. It's now based upon what he delivers next year. And hopefully he delivers now that he is a Crow. But they would bring up the names Fritsch, Kelly, Ryan and co for what they delivered this year. There is merit for both sides of this argument and is very much based around individuals and their maturity levels.

Yes but those other guys had amazing seasons before being drafted

Fritsch Kelly & Ryan has brilliant 2017 state league seasons

 

[El Doederino]

Massive difference though is that apparently there were extenuating personal circumstances.

We have helped players in similar situations. Carlton were f**kwits with us back in 2016 about him.

I remember a theory that Carlton were tired of being seen as our trade bunnies and refused to be reasonable in a trade with us. (Conveniently forgetting Menzel).

I think letting Carlton swing their dicks over Gibbs in 2016 allowed them to feel good enough about themselves to do a deal with us the year after

 

[MRB37]

I have a little (unproven)theory that there was a little schism developing between the old guard (Tex, Sloane, Talia, Lynch) who see themselves as club first guys that are the leaders and stars (they are) and the McGovs (lever) thought that they should have had more stature. Gibbs friction May have not been about money but pecking order.
Kinda millennials wanting to be CEOs from day 1 with no hard yards.

If true, you don’t need that in your list, it’ll poison the well

Tex isn't the most popular guy at the club with some of the younger players. Everyone love playing with him, but off-field he's certainly not as popular as guys like Sloane.

 

[JennyTalia]

I have a little (unproven)theory that there was a little schism developing between the old guard (Tex, Sloane, Talia, Lynch) who see themselves as club first guys that are the leaders and stars (they are) and the McGovs (lever) thought that they should have had more stature. Gibbs friction May have not been about money but pecking order.
Kinda millennials wanting to be CEOs from day 1 with no hard yards.

If true, you don’t need that in your list, it’ll poison the well

I have another (unproven) theory that Mitch is actually a lizard man. Explains his weird bone structure, gecko hands and strange requests for heat lamps in each room. The old guard were onto him and so he left before getting exposed for the cold-blooded reptile that he is.

If true, then I am glad he is gone...

 

[MRB37]

I have another (unproven) theory that Mitch is actually a lizard man. Explains his weird bone structure, gecko hands and strange requests for heat lamps in each room. The old guard were onto him and so he left before getting exposed for the cold-blooded reptile that he is.

If true, then I am glad he is gone...

Have you ever seen that old tv show V?

 

[Flip Side]

The funny thing is that Carlton were never really in a position to win this trade.

There is no winning on either side. That’s why so many people are unahappy.

As valuable as McGovern was to the Crows, he only really had to produce around 4-8 special moments in a game. A chasedown crunching tackle, a big pack mark, a couple of goals in contested situations.

The bulk of the heavy lifting was done by others. He was the cream on top.

That doesn’t apply to Carlton. They need heavy lifters.

The real joke is, from a Carlton perspective, they just gave up a the best part of pick 13 for a player that provides roughly the output of Matty Wright. That’s right, the guy we took back off them to play SANFL, the irony!

Sure, he might take a few more marks, draw a better type of defender, but at the same time making a few less tackles.

And really, (facing the facts Carlton are not known for player development) if Mitch doesn’t suddenly improve his output, all they have done is covered their fwd output loss with a more expensive and flashy, yet disruptive and injury prone version of Matty Wright.

Chew on that and tell me it doesnt make you chuckle/wince at the stupidity of it all. Blues aren’t even going after the right players.

And while you mull over that relegation, When’s the last time a player went to the blues and actually improved?

Docherty is perhaps the only one I can think of in the past decade, so good luck Mitchie boy, since the odds are not on your side.

 

[Donkey Magoo]

Tex isn't the most popular guy at the club with some of the younger players. Everyone love playing with him, but off-field he's certainly not as popular as guys like Sloane.

Yeah, I have seen him in action, acts like the popular high school kid who's team captain. You need a bit of swagger to be the leader, but you have to bring people with you. I'd like to see him find an extra gear as Captain. I have heard some good stuff about him around the club as well though.
The other problem with it, if there is that divide, is that the old bulls have had a journey that began a long time ago that has been through a lot and they find it hard to deal with those that aren't on the same page. It's why you hear the contrasting messages about the direction of the club from some and best club ever from others.
Anyway just internal dynamics, every organisation has them, they just all aren't on TV.

 

[Samcro24]

I have a little (unproven)theory that there was a little schism developing between the old guard (Tex, Sloane, Talia, Lynch) who see themselves as club first guys that are the leaders and stars (they are) and the McGovs (lever) thought that they should have had more stature. Gibbs friction May have not been about money but pecking order.
Kinda millennials wanting to be CEOs from day 1 with no hard yards.

If true, you don’t need that in your list, it’ll poison the well

Those "club first" guys are all paid. Some of them have had drawn out contract negotiations with rumblings of leaving.

So if you're gov and you can do some things that the top paid kpps on the team can't, while the "club first" leaders example is to haggle for multi million dollar sunset deals, wouldn't you want to chase that too?

That's my theory.